“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

apirk72 said:

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

Pretty much agree with all of this.  Anything any band said about ticket prices before streaming is pretty much null and void since things have completely changed.  It is not really fair to hold someone to something they said 30 years ago and then take away a huge revenue stream for them at the same time.  Also, it is pretty unfair to expect a band to fight a losing fight for 30 years so now a bunch of 40-50 year olds can buy cheaper tickets, I doubt anyone bringing up their battle has actually helped the situation in anyway.  I am glad they are focusing their efforts to other causes because I doubt they'd still be together if they didn't.

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

I keep literally asking you what we can do to affect change, and all you keep telling me I'm being "blindly loyal".

1. Speak truth to power. Call out the situation as you see it. If you see it as "no harm" then please state the case why. I see it as fans being taken advantage of, significantly, which is why I continually state my position. 
2. . Provide specific examples of hypocrisy. There are plenty in this circumstance. I would assume the Ten Club and/or the band would take it to heart and make necessary adjustments to not be considered hypocrites or greedy elite individuals by a large contingency of their fan base. 
3. Do not buy PJ Premium or any seat, for that matter, UNTIL F2F is released to better understand all options. Then proceed as you feel fit. 
4. Demand the ability to transfer tickets. This is imperative. This is the #1 culprit to how fans are being manipulated. Our inability to transfer tickets makes for their ability to have "PJ Premium" seats set at an astronomical above "market" price. The market for seats is manipulated. 
5. Demand for transparency. When will F2F sales be enabled? "Spring" is not an acceptable answer any longer because our trust is broken. Some shows are less than a month away and our beloved Ten Club members are sweating over the chance of being stuck with $300 worth of seats that cannot be used. 
6. Demand the Ten Club forum allow for trades (not cash sales) of tickets on the forum for whatever both parties are agreeable to. I had a post taken down offering 2 seats for 1 because that is apparently scalping and against the rules of this forum. This is now another control mechanism. We can't suggest deals be made to benefit two willing parties but PJ/TM are comfortable with market manipulation and price gauging. Seems fair. 


I recognize "demands" are just that "demands." However there is strength in numbers and for all the apologists out there I assure you that you will, at some point, be disappointed in this process and to dismiss what many are saying because you personally are taken care of or happy with this tour's outcome is selfish.  It is easy not to care when your needs are met. I will also say this.... I was taken care of. I was chosen by the Ten Club for Vegas but now cannot go. I would love to sell these seats on F2F......donate them....or trade them to a fan dying to go to Vegas but what's good for one isn't good for the other in this "relationship." Not that hard to see... sadly. 

Thank you, this was very well stated. Have you tried to send this directly to the Ten Club? I don't have faith that much of what is posted on the forum gets to the people who matter, but perhaps direct communication?

And I thank you for dealing with me! But to be 100% transparent.....I would absolutely be supportive of the "old" way where "PJ Premium" didn't exist and the tickets weren't transferable etc. Or as a compromise.....GA $$$ Lower Level $$ Upper Level $ as an acceptable structure. 

Still need Oakland!!!

mpedone said:

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

I keep literally asking you what we can do to affect change, and all you keep telling me I'm being "blindly loyal".

1. Speak truth to power. Call out the situation as you see it. If you see it as "no harm" then please state the case why. I see it as fans being taken advantage of, significantly, which is why I continually state my position. 
2. . Provide specific examples of hypocrisy. There are plenty in this circumstance. I would assume the Ten Club and/or the band would take it to heart and make necessary adjustments to not be considered hypocrites or greedy elite individuals by a large contingency of their fan base. 
3. Do not buy PJ Premium or any seat, for that matter, UNTIL F2F is released to better understand all options. Then proceed as you feel fit. 
4. Demand the ability to transfer tickets. This is imperative. This is the #1 culprit to how fans are being manipulated. Our inability to transfer tickets makes for their ability to have "PJ Premium" seats set at an astronomical above "market" price. The market for seats is manipulated. 
5. Demand for transparency. When will F2F sales be enabled? "Spring" is not an acceptable answer any longer because our trust is broken. Some shows are less than a month away and our beloved Ten Club members are sweating over the chance of being stuck with $300 worth of seats that cannot be used. 
6. Demand the Ten Club forum allow for trades (not cash sales) of tickets on the forum for whatever both parties are agreeable to. I had a post taken down offering 2 seats for 1 because that is apparently scalping and against the rules of this forum. This is now another control mechanism. We can't suggest deals be made to benefit two willing parties but PJ/TM are comfortable with market manipulation and price gauging. Seems fair. 


I recognize "demands" are just that "demands." However there is strength in numbers and for all the apologists out there I assure you that you will, at some point, be disappointed in this process and to dismiss what many are saying because you personally are taken care of or happy with this tour's outcome is selfish.  It is easy not to care when your needs are met. I will also say this.... I was taken care of. I was chosen by the Ten Club for Vegas but now cannot go. I would love to sell these seats on F2F......donate them....or trade them to a fan dying to go to Vegas but what's good for one isn't good for the other in this "relationship." Not that hard to see... sadly. 

Thank you, this was very well stated. Have you tried to send this directly to the Ten Club? I don't have faith that much of what is posted on the forum gets to the people who matter, but perhaps direct communication?

And I thank you for dealing with me! But to be 100% transparent.....I would absolutely be supportive of the "old" way where "PJ Premium" didn't exist and the tickets weren't transferable etc. Or as a compromise.....GA $$$ Lower Level $$ Upper Level $ as an acceptable structure. 

Still need Oakland!!!

Yeah, I thought the 2020 system was pretty excellent. Not the best for everyone, but I think the best for the most fans.

100 Pacer said:

mpedone said:

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

cmalisze said:

mpedone said:

I keep literally asking you what we can do to affect change, and all you keep telling me I'm being "blindly loyal".

1. Speak truth to power. Call out the situation as you see it. If you see it as "no harm" then please state the case why. I see it as fans being taken advantage of, significantly, which is why I continually state my position. 
2. . Provide specific examples of hypocrisy. There are plenty in this circumstance. I would assume the Ten Club and/or the band would take it to heart and make necessary adjustments to not be considered hypocrites or greedy elite individuals by a large contingency of their fan base. 
3. Do not buy PJ Premium or any seat, for that matter, UNTIL F2F is released to better understand all options. Then proceed as you feel fit. 
4. Demand the ability to transfer tickets. This is imperative. This is the #1 culprit to how fans are being manipulated. Our inability to transfer tickets makes for their ability to have "PJ Premium" seats set at an astronomical above "market" price. The market for seats is manipulated. 
5. Demand for transparency. When will F2F sales be enabled? "Spring" is not an acceptable answer any longer because our trust is broken. Some shows are less than a month away and our beloved Ten Club members are sweating over the chance of being stuck with $300 worth of seats that cannot be used. 
6. Demand the Ten Club forum allow for trades (not cash sales) of tickets on the forum for whatever both parties are agreeable to. I had a post taken down offering 2 seats for 1 because that is apparently scalping and against the rules of this forum. This is now another control mechanism. We can't suggest deals be made to benefit two willing parties but PJ/TM are comfortable with market manipulation and price gauging. Seems fair. 


I recognize "demands" are just that "demands." However there is strength in numbers and for all the apologists out there I assure you that you will, at some point, be disappointed in this process and to dismiss what many are saying because you personally are taken care of or happy with this tour's outcome is selfish.  It is easy not to care when your needs are met. I will also say this.... I was taken care of. I was chosen by the Ten Club for Vegas but now cannot go. I would love to sell these seats on F2F......donate them....or trade them to a fan dying to go to Vegas but what's good for one isn't good for the other in this "relationship." Not that hard to see... sadly. 

Thank you, this was very well stated. Have you tried to send this directly to the Ten Club? I don't have faith that much of what is posted on the forum gets to the people who matter, but perhaps direct communication?

And I thank you for dealing with me! But to be 100% transparent.....I would absolutely be supportive of the "old" way where "PJ Premium" didn't exist and the tickets weren't transferable etc. Or as a compromise.....GA $$$ Lower Level $$ Upper Level $ as an acceptable structure. 

Still need Oakland!!!

Yeah, I thought the 2020 system was pretty excellent. Not the best for everyone, but I think the best for the most fans.

Any system where the vast majority of tickets are allocated to the fan club is a good system. The rest is just me before we.

pledgeagrievance said:

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

Pretty much agree with all of this.  Anything any band said about ticket prices before streaming is pretty much null and void since things have completely changed.  It is not really fair to hold someone to something they said 30 years ago and then take away a huge revenue stream for them at the same time.  Also, it is pretty unfair to expect a band to fight a losing fight for 30 years so now a bunch of 40-50 year olds can buy cheaper tickets, I doubt anyone bringing up their battle has actually helped the situation in anyway.  I am glad they are focusing their efforts to other causes because I doubt they'd still be together if they didn't.

Wait?!  I thought there was no money in touring and it was all in merchandise.......if anyone thinks I expect anyone to be held accountable to something said 30 years ago I'll be clear. I don't. Who PJ has become in fact, as I said, I've happily contributed and will continue to. But we all should wish they come by it honestly. Some may feel they still are. Some may feel they aren't. That's the beauty of America and a chat platform. Sorry if my chatting came across as obsessive. Let me ask you....if my chatting was gushing with admiration and appreciation for PJ/Ten Club while still blasting TM would you still carry the same opinion of me? Be honest. Goodnight I'll take my "obsession" elsewhere. 

I’m enjoying your discourse and believe there is a place for this “obsessive” questioning, not that I agree with all of it, but all of it has a right to be said on this board. It shouldn’t be all pJ/TC fluffing on here. 

pledgeagrievance said:

pjl44 said:

pledgeagrievance said:

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

Pretty much agree with all of this.  Anything any band said about ticket prices before streaming is pretty much null and void since things have completely changed.  It is not really fair to hold someone to something they said 30 years ago and then take away a huge revenue stream for them at the same time.  Also, it is pretty unfair to expect a band to fight a losing fight for 30 years so now a bunch of 40-50 year olds can buy cheaper tickets, I doubt anyone bringing up their battle has actually helped the situation in anyway.  I am glad they are focusing their efforts to other causes because I doubt they'd still be together if they didn't.

Wait?!  I thought there was no money in touring and it was all in merchandise.......if anyone thinks I expect anyone to be held accountable to something said 30 years ago I'll be clear. I don't. Who PJ has become in fact, as I said, I've happily contributed and will continue to. But we all should wish they come by it honestly. Some may feel they still are. Some may feel they aren't. That's the beauty of America and a chat platform. Sorry if my chatting came across as obsessive. Let me ask you....if my chatting was gushing with admiration and appreciation for PJ/Ten Club while still blasting TM would you still carry the same opinion of me? Be honest. Goodnight I'll take my "obsession" elsewhere. 

I’m enjoying your discourse and believe there is a place for this “obsessive” questioning, not that I agree with all of it, but all of it has a right to be said on this board. It shouldn’t be all pJ/TC fluffing on here. 

Maybe it's because a rock band should bring you unqualified joy and if they don't you just move on. How much effort should go into scrutinizing an artist like they're a politician or utility provider before you just start sounding like an obsessive lunatic?

Yeah I agree. If it’s stopped being fun then what’s the point. But obsessive and passionate are close to each other and unless the poster is a troll or really new here and suspicious sounding, then I’m leaning genuinely passionate and, frustrated/disappointed 

smile6680 said:

pledgeagrievance said:

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

Pretty much agree with all of this.  Anything any band said about ticket prices before streaming is pretty much null and void since things have completely changed.  It is not really fair to hold someone to something they said 30 years ago and then take away a huge revenue stream for them at the same time.  Also, it is pretty unfair to expect a band to fight a losing fight for 30 years so now a bunch of 40-50 year olds can buy cheaper tickets, I doubt anyone bringing up their battle has actually helped the situation in anyway.  I am glad they are focusing their efforts to other causes because I doubt they'd still be together if they didn't.

Wait?!  I thought there was no money in touring and it was all in merchandise.......if anyone thinks I expect anyone to be held accountable to something said 30 years ago I'll be clear. I don't. Who PJ has become in fact, as I said, I've happily contributed and will continue to. But we all should wish they come by it honestly. Some may feel they still are. Some may feel they aren't. That's the beauty of America and a chat platform. Sorry if my chatting came across as obsessive. Let me ask you....if my chatting was gushing with admiration and appreciation for PJ/Ten Club while still blasting TM would you still carry the same opinion of me? Be honest. Goodnight I'll take my "obsession" elsewhere. 

I’m enjoying your discourse and believe there is a place for this “obsessive” questioning, not that I agree with all of it, but all of it has a right to be said on this board. It shouldn’t be all pJ/TC fluffing on here. 

This is why I think the vast majority of Pearl Jam fans I talk to at the concerts don't post on here. You can't even mildly question anything ten club and or band members say. 

cmalisze said:

smile6680 said:

pledgeagrievance said:

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

on2legs said:

 Pearl Jam is a business.  They’re uniquely talented and entitled to cash in on those talents.  They could soak us for a ton more per ticket.  But they don't.  They make a lot of money but they leave a lot on the table too.  

People can have integrity and also make a lot of money.  They’re not mutually exclusive things.  And they’re not hypocrites.  Ed told us long ago that file sharing ended album sales as a source of revenue and that touring would be the replacement.  

I get you can be unhappy with the change.  But that’s part of life. Holding them to stuff they said 30 years ago when no one even knew what Napster was or even what the internet was is an impossible standard.  

No one says we all have to agree.  But interjecting the same sourpuss comments page after page in every thread is bordering on obsessive.  

Pretty much agree with all of this.  Anything any band said about ticket prices before streaming is pretty much null and void since things have completely changed.  It is not really fair to hold someone to something they said 30 years ago and then take away a huge revenue stream for them at the same time.  Also, it is pretty unfair to expect a band to fight a losing fight for 30 years so now a bunch of 40-50 year olds can buy cheaper tickets, I doubt anyone bringing up their battle has actually helped the situation in anyway.  I am glad they are focusing their efforts to other causes because I doubt they'd still be together if they didn't.

Wait?!  I thought there was no money in touring and it was all in merchandise.......if anyone thinks I expect anyone to be held accountable to something said 30 years ago I'll be clear. I don't. Who PJ has become in fact, as I said, I've happily contributed and will continue to. But we all should wish they come by it honestly. Some may feel they still are. Some may feel they aren't. That's the beauty of America and a chat platform. Sorry if my chatting came across as obsessive. Let me ask you....if my chatting was gushing with admiration and appreciation for PJ/Ten Club while still blasting TM would you still carry the same opinion of me? Be honest. Goodnight I'll take my "obsession" elsewhere. 

I’m enjoying your discourse and believe there is a place for this “obsessive” questioning, not that I agree with all of it, but all of it has a right to be said on this board. It shouldn’t be all pJ/TC fluffing on here. 

This is why I think the vast majority of Pearl Jam fans I talk to at the concerts don't post on here. You can't even mildly question anything ten club and or band members say. 

I'll assure anyone this......I am a FAN...yes.....obsessed.....not in the least. If I was guilty of anything it was of being ignorant. My ignorance is because I thought this was a chat forum intended to have conversation....discussion....opinion sharing.....or an outlet to simply inform others.  I never repeated "sourpuss" messaging unless positioned completely different in attempt to express why I was  carrying a perspective in the manner I was. I fully believe that if I was gushing with love over the ticketing process, the Ten Club, or Pearl Jam that I would have had no mild accusations of being "obsessed" or a "sourpuss." Instead, I would have either been fully supported or simply ignored. I also trust that if I was solely blasting TM people would have piled on.  I struck a chord with some because I was coming by my assessment honestly on a platform I believed to be intended for just that. If this is a platform to simply discuss gratitude or admiration for all things PJ......then I ask....would members of the band be truly supportive? Being a fan began because, out of sincere admiration, PJ was blazing a trail to speak their minds either via their music or their opportunistic platform. Remember EV on Unplugged and pro-choice or the song "Bu$hleaguer".......or even "to find a place Trump hasn't fucked up yet" in Quick Escape but those messages were embraced or dismissed if someone didn't agree. I never once asked anyone to agree or to support my position nor do I care if anyone does. I will continue to be the fan I always was.....but more importantly many on these boards would attest to me not only being a fan but also a human who respects all opinions no matter if I agree or not. If anyone would review my activity on these boards they would also attest to this. Sadly, some here cannot say the same. Cheers to amazing shows in May 2022. I hope each and every one of you land the tickets you hope for. I will be in Oakland (still need tickets) if anyone wants to grab a beer for the shows. My treat.