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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,108
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
      They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 
     
    Not likely.
    Mayfield is an 18 Mil cap hit if they cut him, so teams know they have to trade him, they'll be fortunate to get one middle round pick for him. 3rd at best. I predict a 4th.
    Plus Baker already said "Colts please". The Colts were stupid last year with the Wentz acquisition. doubt they will be again (well there is the Irsay factor so maybe Cleveland has a shot).
    Interesting.  I'm thinking a 3 and a 4.  Yes it's 18MM, but it's one year and that's not a lot for a starting QB. 
    The salary for the team acquiring him is palatable, it's the fact that Cleveland has to get him off the books, and can't cut him or that 18 Mil stays on their cap, so they have zero leverage in trade negotiations unless a number of teams come knocking thinking Mayfield is their future. Coming off 3 underwhelming seasons and shoulder surgery, doubt that will be the case.
    He's going to be in a "prove it" season, nobody giving up big return for that.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,666
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
    All of these complaints filed don't cause any concern?

    Not for the Browns.  Largest guarantee  ever.  

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,311
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    I knew Wobby preferred drafts over women but not Tung.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 
    All of these complaints filed don't cause any concern?

    Not for the Browns.  Largest guarantee  ever.  

    Pretty sure they have some lawyers and investigators to do a touch of research on the risk. 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,068
    Being concerned legally and being concerned morally are two very different things.
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,900
    Would it be that surprising if Haslem was just winging it and didn't have lawyers and researchers?
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Being concerned legally and being concerned morally are two very different things.
    Or just with common sense that a guy who might just be a total fucking scumbag could repeat this type of behavior and still guaranteed this contract.

    MayDay10 said:
    Would it be that surprising if Haslem was just winging it and didn't have lawyers and researchers?
    Not to some of us.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,020
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
    If they make a super bowl, is it worth it?  What if they win it?
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,300
    Watson Deal $80m more IN guaranteed $ than the 2nd largest guaranteed contract in league history 

    with 22 civil cases hanging over his head

    Leave it to Cleveland to be the ones the sogn
    off on it plus all the picks given up

    hes really that good, def makes Cleveland a contender… but a little desperate 

    AFC qbs stacked … kind of feel bad for Koe Burrow, teams that don’t win the super bowl usually struggle years after, now all this
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,361
    edited March 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  

    think haslam was given assuraneces he will be eligible with no suspension over these civil suits?
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,361
    mrussel1 said:
    Wobbie said:
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Most Browns thing to do.
    You think it's a bad move? They'll get a couple of early ish picks back for Baker. 

    Browns have a roster to win now.  Worry about draft later.  
    worry about the women later, too.
    Do you know the allegations are true?  I don't.  Grand Juries have the lowest level of proof requirements in the justice system and the defense cannot present.  And the jury didn't believe it. 

    he could have testified
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,969
    mrussel1 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Browns gonna Brown.  Browns fans can try to justify or rationalize....and I am not saying the guy doesn't deserve a job...but this kind of move is beyond anything I could even fathom.   It bears typing a third time after they leveraged the future of the franchise on this bad bet.
    The largest guaranteed contract in the history of the league for a dude who stands accused of an awful pattern of behavior.

    Browns.

    Yay.
    If they make a super bowl, is it worth it?  What if they win it?
    Making a SB is not a big deal.  2nd place = who cares.
    Winning one is.  
    Up to Browns fans, I guess.
    Clearly I hate the deal.  Your choice to like, if you do.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 18,108
    DewieCox said:
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
    Damn that sucks. RIP
    Loved his commercial where he unleashes his hair and lives in his mom's basement.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,361
    CROJAM95 said:
    Watson Deal $80m more IN guaranteed $ than the 2nd largest guaranteed contract in league history 

    with 22 civil cases hanging over his head

    Leave it to Cleveland to be the ones the sogn
    off on it plus all the picks given up

    hes really that good, def makes Cleveland a contender… but a little desperate 

    AFC qbs stacked … kind of feel bad for Koe Burrow, teams that don’t win the super bowl usually struggle years after, now all this

    Burrow, sacked the most last yr , still AFC champ,  SB appearance in yr 2 but really yr one due to injury rookie yr. has the goods. mike brown no longer has his hands on the team, which in my opinion is what held them down so long.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,666
    Poncier said:
    DewieCox said:
    Damn, RIP John Clayton
    Damn that sucks. RIP
    Loved his commercial where he unleashes his hair and lives in his mom's basement.
    with the Slayer poster!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,666
    or Slayer shirt, I guess.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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