JB16057 said:

I know everyone here loves Fox News....

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-world-paying-attention-ukraine-white-christian-nation

MSNBC's Joy Reid: World paying attention to Ukraine because it's a 'White ... Christian nation'

Joy Reid said, 'Let’s face it, the world is paying attention because this is happening in Europe'

I was actually just thinking about this exact thing the other day. the other factor.....third world country wars don't have the capacity to impact life all over the planet should it go sideways. 

But she's right. There are a few factors; resources, demographics, etc. this has been the same through every conflict since the advent of TV. 

Yeah, this is a war crime.  Killing an elderly couple at a stop sign is fucked.

https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/08/russian-tank-blows-up-civilian-car-kills-elderly-couple-ukraine/?adid=social-twa

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

This, together with Swedish tradition, was the Left Party's reason over here to vote No on Sweden sending weapons. 

A very privileged criticism to be able to ponder and have though, at a time when Russia is invading their land and murdering their people (children) deliberately.

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

I thought that more guns is always the answer, though.

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

This, together with Swedish tradition, was the Left Party's reason over here to vote No on Sweden sending weapons. 

A very privileged criticism at a time when Russia is invading their land and murdering their people (children) deliberately.

No doubt, but valid criticism nonetheless. Not like these approaches have bit us in the ass before or anything...

I live in the Swedish epicenter of smuggled rifles and handgrenades from the balkan war. 

I still think the criticism is next to moot when their people are being slaughtered, and they have to do what they have to keep Putin at bay. What should we do instead? Send baseball bats or pepper spray?

Putin wanted to turn Ukraine into Russia. 

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

Well this is at least an actual criticism. If the other one you're talking about when you say "also" is the Joy Reid thing, that's more a complaint about the coverage than an actual criticism about anything relevant to the war. 

As for Omar here, good for her. I doubt there's many other Democrats that would publicly say that. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in her party angry with her for it. But that's one thing I'll give the so-called "Squad." I may not agree with many of their stances, but at least they don't tow the party-line like most Democrats and Republicans do. 

No offense, but I think you're trying too hard. The idea that there's a false equivalency that matches groupthink in the Dem party that even comes close to that of the Republican Party is far from reality. I know if the Republican Party had all three branches of government they'd be all vomiting in the same direction. It's easy to all agree with one another when nihilism is their leading quality trait.

I know people who like to label themselves "independent" or libertarian, or whatever, in this country like to automatically weigh each party the same and it's kinda hilarious.

lol, trying too hard at what? Oh this place...

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

Well this is at least an actual criticism. If the other one you're talking about when you say "also" is the Joy Reid thing, that's more a complaint about the coverage than an actual criticism about anything relevant to the war. 

As for Omar here, good for her. I doubt there's many other Democrats that would publicly say that. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in her party angry with her for it. But that's one thing I'll give the so-called "Squad." I may not agree with many of their stances, but at least they don't tow the party-line like most Democrats and Republicans do. 

No offense, but I think you're trying too hard. The idea that there's a false equivalency that matches groupthink in the Dem party that even comes close to that of the Republican Party is far from reality. I know if the Republican Party had all three branches of government they'd be all vomiting in the same direction. It's easy to all agree with one another when nihilism is their leading quality trait.

I know people who like to label themselves "independent" or libertarian, or whatever, in this country like to automatically weigh each party the same and it's kinda hilarious.

lol, trying too hard at what? Oh this place...

Somehow you think the Democratic Party walks in lockstep the same as the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is the 2nd preferred party for The Ruling Class, no doubt, but to lump it all and think that one actually doesn't do more critical thinking than the other is disingenuous.

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

Well this is at least an actual criticism. If the other one you're talking about when you say "also" is the Joy Reid thing, that's more a complaint about the coverage than an actual criticism about anything relevant to the war. 

As for Omar here, good for her. I doubt there's many other Democrats that would publicly say that. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in her party angry with her for it. But that's one thing I'll give the so-called "Squad." I may not agree with many of their stances, but at least they don't tow the party-line like most Democrats and Republicans do. 

No offense, but I think you're trying too hard. The idea that there's a false equivalency that matches groupthink in the Dem party that even comes close to that of the Republican Party is far from reality. I know if the Republican Party had all three branches of government they'd be all vomiting in the same direction. It's easy to all agree with one another when nihilism is their leading quality trait.

I know people who like to label themselves "independent" or libertarian, or whatever, in this country like to automatically weigh each party the same and it's kinda hilarious.

I don't know how he's trying to hard. I'm not even sure what that means. I think he's right. 

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Again, this is also a valid criticism:

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1501198247796387845?s=20&t=k_fOhKPg4OIgQb_FJ-Dy2w

Well this is at least an actual criticism. If the other one you're talking about when you say "also" is the Joy Reid thing, that's more a complaint about the coverage than an actual criticism about anything relevant to the war. 

As for Omar here, good for her. I doubt there's many other Democrats that would publicly say that. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's people in her party angry with her for it. But that's one thing I'll give the so-called "Squad." I may not agree with many of their stances, but at least they don't tow the party-line like most Democrats and Republicans do. 

No offense, but I think you're trying too hard. The idea that there's a false equivalency that matches groupthink in the Dem party that even comes close to that of the Republican Party is far from reality. I know if the Republican Party had all three branches of government they'd be all vomiting in the same direction. It's easy to all agree with one another when nihilism is their leading quality trait.

I know people who like to label themselves "independent" or libertarian, or whatever, in this country like to automatically weigh each party the same and it's kinda hilarious.

lol, trying too hard at what? Oh this place...

Somehow you think the Democratic Party walks in lockstep the same as the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is the 2nd preferred party for The Ruling Class, no doubt, but to lump it all and think that one actually doesn't do more critical thinking than the other is disingenuous.

You're the one talking about the Republican party here. Maybe I should've said "like most politicians do" rather than "like most Democrats and Republicans do" so the responses I got wouldn't be so partisan and defensive. But I made no mention the of two parties "walking in lockstep." You're pulling that out of the air. 

Either way, Omar and her crew have gone against the usual Democratic party talking-points on several occasions over the past few years. Now, every Democrat I've seen talk about aid to Ukraine have talked about it as if it's something we must do, no questions asked. But she's asking questions, or at least pushing back a little. Is there a single other Democrat that has said anything to that nature? By all means, post it if they have.