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  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
    I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....

      I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved.. 
    Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin.  War are you suggesting each side should give?
    Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line. 
    Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed. 

    IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us.. 
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,167
    mrussel1 said:
    FiveBelow said:
    myoung321 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
    I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....

      I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved.. 
    ukraine is currently winning the war right now though.
    What’s the score?
    A thousand dead Russians per day.  

    Are you arguing that the concept of winning a war isn't a thing?
    Not at all. Casualties are just one of the factors, though. Personally, it’s hard to say who is winning while portions of ukraine are unwantedly under russian control. As someone who has zero first hand knowledge of the situation, I also don’t feel qualified to make that assumption. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
    I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....

      I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved.. 
    Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin.  War are you suggesting each side should give?
    Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line. 
    Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed. 

    IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us.. 
    Russia could simply stop the offensive now and withdraw.  But Ukraine will not and should (nor should we agree to) promise to never join NATO.  That is a total infringement on another country's sovereignty.  I also do not think, for one moment, that the reason Putin invaded Ukraine was about NATO.  It was about expanding the Russian Federation's territory and sphere of influence.  

    If you think Russia will eventually win, I would point you to Vietnam, Afghanistan circa 1980 and Afghanistan circa 2005 as evidence why that is not a foregone conclusion.  
  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    What about sending another 100 billion dollars to the UK government??  Surely by washing tax payer money and spreading it around the corrupt wasteland of what is essentially the last of the wild, wild west for the US will stop the war.  Just like climate change!!  more money will stop it! 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,417
    we sent 100 billion to the united kingdom?
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    Was the tax payer money hand washed, or put through a machine? 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,417

    Was the tax payer money hand washed, or put through a machine? 

    line dried?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    mickeyrat said:
    we sent 100 billion to the united kingdom?
    Maybe he's talking about Lend Lease during WW2? He's right,  helping the woke British fight the Nazis was a huge mistake.  I never thought about it that way. 
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
    I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....

      I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved.. 
    Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin.  War are you suggesting each side should give?
    Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line. 
    Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed. 

    IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us.. 
    Russia could simply stop the offensive now and withdraw.  But Ukraine will not and should (nor should we agree to) promise to never join NATO.  That is a total infringement on another country's sovereignty.  I also do not think, for one moment, that the reason Putin invaded Ukraine was about NATO.  It was about expanding the Russian Federation's territory and sphere of influence.  

    If you think Russia will eventually win, I would point you to Vietnam, Afghanistan circa 1980 and Afghanistan circa 2005 as evidence why that is not a foregone conclusion.  
    Why would you cite US backed factions that lost?  That doesn't inspire confidence for our picks.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    KP_McMinn said:
    What about sending another 100 billion dollars to the UK government??  Surely by washing tax payer money and spreading it around the corrupt wasteland of what is essentially the last of the wild, wild west for the US will stop the war.  Just like climate change!!  more money will stop it! 
    Did you mean Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom? While Jim wrestles with the Putin on the ritz, POOTWH will tell us about the woke?
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  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?
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  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    Do you mean like watching Fox and Tucker who inarguably lie to their audience.  That came out in discovery.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
    I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....

      I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved.. 
    Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin.  War are you suggesting each side should give?
    Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line. 
    Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed. 

    IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us.. 
    Russia could simply stop the offensive now and withdraw.  But Ukraine will not and should (nor should we agree to) promise to never join NATO.  That is a total infringement on another country's sovereignty.  I also do not think, for one moment, that the reason Putin invaded Ukraine was about NATO.  It was about expanding the Russian Federation's territory and sphere of influence.  

    If you think Russia will eventually win, I would point you to Vietnam, Afghanistan circa 1980 and Afghanistan circa 2005 as evidence why that is not a foregone conclusion.  
    Why would you cite US backed factions that lost?  That doesn't inspire confidence for our picks.
    It's just a reality that it's extremely difficult to take someone's homeland.  History has shown that time and again.  It's even worse when you have no base of support in that land, and Russia's influence in the far east with teh separatists has been extinguished. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,417
    edited March 2023
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    well to be fair, that was a previous disastrous 8 yr admin......
    and he/she should be angry for being lied to about wmd's..... havecwe found them yet?

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  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  Its a simple question.     
  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    Do you mean like watching Fox and Tucker who inarguably lie to their audience.  That came out in discovery.  

    Were the videos of the 1/6 sham a lie? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  It’s a simple question.     
    Well, using your math logic, did POOTWH end any wars during his term? Yes or no?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,417
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  It’s a simple question.     
    Well, using your math logic, did POOTWH end any wars during his term? Yes or no?

    sure he did. cut a deal, the best deal ever, with the Taliban. Got nothing in return.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    Do you mean like watching Fox and Tucker who inarguably lie to their audience.  That came out in discovery.  

    Were the videos of the 1/6 sham a lie? 
    No, they were totally legit.  I saw a guy trying to squeeze out the eyes of a cop.  Are you saying that if I have footage of you committing a crime, and you counter with footage of you not committing a crime at other times, that negates the criminal footage?  Because that's all Tucker did.  Should I believe Tucker or my lying eyes?  You chose Tucker.  


  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,387
    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    This tracks. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  Its a simple question.     
    No, Trump didn't.  Did Biden enter any wars?  Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero.  Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi?  Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic?  That seems like an easy answer.   Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?

    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus.  The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well.  In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"



  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  Its a simple question.     
    No, Trump didn't.  Did Biden enter any wars?  Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero.  Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi?  Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic?  That seems like an easy answer.   Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?

    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus.  The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well.  In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"




    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    This tracks. 

    thanks guy....
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  Its a simple question.     
    No, Trump didn't.  Did Biden enter any wars?  Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero.  Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi?  Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic?  That seems like an easy answer.   Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?

    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus.  The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well.  In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"




    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    This tracks. 

    thanks guy....
    Did you thank Xi for his management of the virus.  Don't fret, Trump thanked him for you.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,387
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    mrussel1 said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    KP_McMinn said:
    How do you piss off a Conservative?  Lie to them.

    How do you piss off a Liberal?  Tell them the truth. 
     
    The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?

    pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no?  Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office?  I'll wait.  
    I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.

    Bush was Iraq, initially.  And was necessary following 9/11.  Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen....  However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out.  PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term?  yes or no.  Its a simple question.     
    No, Trump didn't.  Did Biden enter any wars?  Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero.  Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi?  Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic?  That seems like an easy answer.   Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?

    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus.  The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well.  In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"




    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    This tracks. 

    thanks guy....
    De nada. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    Sorry, you'll have to scroll back through the thread or the closed thread. I've defined it. Second one should be obvious. Google is your friend.

    Why do you hate "Murica?
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  • KP_McMinnKP_McMinn West Philadelphia born and raised Posts: 748
    KP_McMinn said:
    I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means? 

    Sorry, you'll have to scroll back through the thread or the closed thread. I've defined it. Second one should be obvious. Google is your friend.

    Why do you hate "Murica?

    i actually did try to google those acronyms, unfortunately google doesn't speak stupid.  I think i figured out the second one, piece of $hit pres of united states?  very clever dude.     
    Why do you think I hate, "Murica"?  The only thing i hate about America is that this administration has decided to put its people LAST.
    What i really hate (strong word) is talking with people who have 0 interest in hearing an opinion that differs from theirs, and who still have TDS.    
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