Eddie Vedder - NY Times Magazine Q&A

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  • What a treat. 
    8/27/00 - Saratoga 4/29/03 - Albany 6/27/08 - Hartford 6/28/08 - Mansfield 6/8/09 - Albany (Eddie Vedder) 6/9/09 - Albany (Eddie Vedder) 5/15/10 - Hartford 5/20/10 - NYC 5/21/10 - NYC 6/18/11 - Hartford (Eddie Vedder) 10/16/13 - Worcester, MA 10/25/13 - Hartford, CT 9/26/15 - NYC 4/28/16 - Philly 4/29/16 - Philly 8/5/16 - Boston - 8/20/16 - Chicago 8/22/16 - Chicago 9/02/18 - Boston 9/04/18 - Boston 8/31/23 - St. Paul 9/2/23 - St. Paul 9/7/2024 Philly 
  • RiotAct10
    RiotAct10 Ohio Posts: 1,641
    Sorry to be negative, but I had high hopes when I saw this earlier today, but was pretty disappointed. Did there really need to be questions about Kurt Cobain or the lyrics to Yellow Ledbetter?
    words seem so out of place.

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  • elwayvedder
    elwayvedder South Jersey Posts: 9,192
    am i out of line to request a copy and paste of the article details in here? not sure if that's frowned upon but i click the link and it wants me to pay
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    on2legs Posts: 16,114
    edited January 2022
    am i out of line to request a copy and paste of the article details in here? not sure if that's frowned upon but i click the link and it wants me to pay
    Didn't ask me to pay...


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  • elwayvedder
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    on2legs said:
    am i out of line to request a copy and paste of the article details in here? not sure if that's frowned upon but i click the link and it wants me to pay
    Didn't ask me to pay...



    TY!
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  • Noload
    Noload Monticello, Georgia Posts: 1,635
    RiotAct10 said:
    Sorry to be negative, but I had high hopes when I saw this earlier today, but was pretty disappointed. Did there really need to be questions about Kurt Cobain or the lyrics to Yellow Ledbetter?
    I'm with you.  Ticketmaster, Kurt...it's all been covered over and over.  By the way, when Ticketmaster comes up now, Ed should say, "yeah TM..those are my boys, have you seen how many platinum tix we selling?"
    www.twitter.com/robert_harbin
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,443
    Surprisingly, its a pretty revealing interview, but man, the interviewer was really dialed in on the past. I'd like more of where his (and the band's) headspace is at now, especially after the past 2 years. Seemed to boarder on acrimonious around Brother the Cloud too. I like how Ed deflated the vibe by turning the suicide talk around to find commonality.  

  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 98,323
    Thanks!
  • Interviewets should dial back to 2002 and ask more about Riot Act. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,865
    brianlux said:
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    Wow, that's quite the long response!

    If my sister would have sent it to me, my response would have been "Thanks, I'll read it later"
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,114
    brianlux said:

    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    I can’t say I disagree with any thing you wrote. Just more that it doesn’t really bug me. 

    I do think it’s important to remember that Pearl Jam is more than a band.  It’s a company and there are a lot of people who work for them and make a living under the umbrella of the band.  And while it would be noble of them to ignore the trappings of fame for a simpler model, I can’t really blame them for the choices they’ve made.  Surely they could choose to play 200 dates a year in small venues to keep the scale small and stay in touch with their roots. But playing small tours in big venues gives them the luxury of both money to support the infrastructure of the band and still leave plenty of time for family. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    brianlux said:
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    Wow, that's quite the long response!

    If my sister would have sent it to me, my response would have been "Thanks, I'll read it later"
    LOL, yeah, most of the time your response is similar to what I would write.  This article just really got me thinking.
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:

    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    I can’t say I disagree with any thing you wrote. Just more that it doesn’t really bug me. 

    I do think it’s important to remember that Pearl Jam is more than a band.  It’s a company and there are a lot of people who work for them and make a living under the umbrella of the band.  And while it would be noble of them to ignore the trappings of fame for a simpler model, I can’t really blame them for the choices they’ve made.  Surely they could choose to play 200 dates a year in small venues to keep the scale small and stay in touch with their roots. But playing small tours in big venues gives them the luxury of both money to support the infrastructure of the band and still leave plenty of time for family. 

    I don't mean to sound overly harsh on Vedder and Pearl Jam, I just find a lot of contradiction that is hard for me to reconcile.  I guess if the band had come out in the beginning and said, "We want to become the biggest band in the world", I wouldn't give much of this a second thought.  But early on, they took an almost punk rock type stance on the music industry an soon began to promote an activist nature in a lot of their work.  You can see this reflected right at the top of the Pearl Jam Community forum front page where it says "Pearl Jam's Music and Activism".  This implies activism is an integral part of their music.  But is it?  I'm not sure how well corporate rock and rock stars standing next to their private jets represent activism, at least not what is usually thought of as activism.   At this point, their carrying on as if activism is a high priority seems (to me anyway) at least a bit disingenuous. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 16,114
    brianlux said:
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    brianlux said:
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    Wow, that's quite the long response!

    If my sister would have sent it to me, my response would have been "Thanks, I'll read it later"
    LOL, yeah, most of the time your response is similar to what I would write.  This article just really got me thinking.
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:

    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    I can’t say I disagree with any thing you wrote. Just more that it doesn’t really bug me. 

    I do think it’s important to remember that Pearl Jam is more than a band.  It’s a company and there are a lot of people who work for them and make a living under the umbrella of the band.  And while it would be noble of them to ignore the trappings of fame for a simpler model, I can’t really blame them for the choices they’ve made.  Surely they could choose to play 200 dates a year in small venues to keep the scale small and stay in touch with their roots. But playing small tours in big venues gives them the luxury of both money to support the infrastructure of the band and still leave plenty of time for family. 

    I don't mean to sound overly harsh on Vedder and Pearl Jam, I just find a lot of contradiction that is hard for me to reconcile.  I guess if the band had come out in the beginning and said, "We want to become the biggest band in the world", I wouldn't give much of this a second thought.  But early on, they took an almost punk rock type stance on the music industry an soon began to promote an activist nature in a lot of their work.  You can see this reflected right at the top of the Pearl Jam Community forum front page where it says "Pearl Jam's Music and Activism".  This implies activism is an integral part of their music.  But is it?  I'm not sure how well corporate rock and rock stars standing next to their private jets represent activism, at least not what is usually thought of as activism.   At this point, their carrying on as if activism is a high priority seems (to me anyway) at least a bit disingenuous. 
    I hear you.  It makes sense. Though I do see them doing a lot of activism - Just with a bit of a softened edge… And their charitable endeavors are laudable.  The corporate jet is a bad look but I don’t think it cancels out all the good they do.  I think we’re all a product of our successes and failures and hopefully it totals up to something meaningful in the end. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh 2


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    brianlux said:
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    Wow, that's quite the long response!

    If my sister would have sent it to me, my response would have been "Thanks, I'll read it later"
    LOL, yeah, most of the time your response is similar to what I would write.  This article just really got me thinking.
    on2legs said:
    brianlux said:

    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    I can’t say I disagree with any thing you wrote. Just more that it doesn’t really bug me. 

    I do think it’s important to remember that Pearl Jam is more than a band.  It’s a company and there are a lot of people who work for them and make a living under the umbrella of the band.  And while it would be noble of them to ignore the trappings of fame for a simpler model, I can’t really blame them for the choices they’ve made.  Surely they could choose to play 200 dates a year in small venues to keep the scale small and stay in touch with their roots. But playing small tours in big venues gives them the luxury of both money to support the infrastructure of the band and still leave plenty of time for family. 

    I don't mean to sound overly harsh on Vedder and Pearl Jam, I just find a lot of contradiction that is hard for me to reconcile.  I guess if the band had come out in the beginning and said, "We want to become the biggest band in the world", I wouldn't give much of this a second thought.  But early on, they took an almost punk rock type stance on the music industry an soon began to promote an activist nature in a lot of their work.  You can see this reflected right at the top of the Pearl Jam Community forum front page where it says "Pearl Jam's Music and Activism".  This implies activism is an integral part of their music.  But is it?  I'm not sure how well corporate rock and rock stars standing next to their private jets represent activism, at least not what is usually thought of as activism.   At this point, their carrying on as if activism is a high priority seems (to me anyway) at least a bit disingenuous. 
    I hear you.  It makes sense. Though I do see them doing a lot of activism - Just with a bit of a softened edge… And their charitable endeavors are laudable.  The corporate jet is a bad look but I don’t think it cancels out all the good they do.  I think we’re all a product of our successes and failures and hopefully it totals up to something meaningful in the end. 

    Good thoughts there.  I hope for the same.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • That was a good interview. Ed has a tendency to give abstract answers and go off into tangents. It was nice to see someone try to get him to answer the question, even if it might come across as confrontational.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,985
    I feel like Pearl Jam still has causes, but I'm not always sure they advertise them.   They do give away money in every city the play to local charities.   PJ was never big with the press, so they're probably content with most of it flying under the radar.  They did the homeless fundraiser with their last hometown shows. They skipped that tour date a few years back etc..

    Shitting on them because they didn't pull their music from spotify.    Which is a freedom of speech vs. Misinformation argument.    Maybe they loathe misinformation, but also feel freedom of speech is important.  Maybe it was their grenade to jump on.

    I dunno... interesting comments.  They are getting closer to 60, how much fight do most 60 year olds have left in them? I think when you get older you want to enjoy the time you have left and make the most out of it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    Zod said:
    I feel like Pearl Jam still has causes, but I'm not always sure they advertise them.   They do give away money in every city the play to local charities.   PJ was never big with the press, so they're probably content with most of it flying under the radar.  They did the homeless fundraiser with their last hometown shows. They skipped that tour date a few years back etc..

    Shitting on them because they didn't pull their music from spotify.    Which is a freedom of speech vs. Misinformation argument.    Maybe they loathe misinformation, but also feel freedom of speech is important.  Maybe it was their grenade to jump on.

    I dunno... interesting comments.  They are getting closer to 60, how much fight do most 60 year olds have left in them? I think when you get older you want to enjoy the time you have left and make the most out of it.

    The article mentions Vedder being 57.  My first reaction was that it was a typo.  No way is that kid 57.  Then I looked it up.  Damn, but the years fly by!

    Yeah, tough call on pulling from Spotify.  I really had hoped they would follow suit but it's all about records for me and I don't do digital other than the occasional CD in the car, so I wouldn't miss it either way.  On the other hand, it would be good to hear them make some kind of statement about spreading of misinformation about the deadly virus.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,900
    brianlux said:
    My sister sent me this article.  This was how I responded to her with my thoughts:
    Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam are a huge frustration for me.  First of all, I've tried to appreciate their work over the last several years of their career but have found their last several albums to be a disappointment.  It seems a bit ironic to me that Vedder mentions two lesser known bands- Dead Moon and Fugazi- as being some of his favorites.  These days, I'm much more a fan of Dead Moon (now defunct since the passing of Fred Cole at age 69 a few years ago) and find Fugazi more compelling despite being less melodic and more difficult to listen to.  What Vedder loves about those bands- things like the "ritual, the sweat, and the love"- are what has gone missing from a lot of Pearl Jam's work these last several years.  Maybe I'm expecting too much for artists to maintain their youthful exuberance, but then Dean Moon never lost it and Ian McKaye of Fugazi has always continued to push to the edge of creativity.  Pearl Jam, on the other hand, got rich and famous (not a sin in of itself), but lost their edge in the comfort of fame and fortune.  
    One of the things I liked about Pearl Jam in the past was their activism.  That seems to have all but disappeared.  Vedder mentioned their earlier efforts at environmentalism and when I read that, my mind went right to this photo I recently saw of him standing next to his private jet.  A lot of fans besides me have found that hugely disingenuous and hypocritical.   When Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and Nils Lofgren all pulled their music from Spotify in order to not share a platform with popular podcast host Joe Rogan who has been spreading false information about COVID, I was hoping Pearl Jam would follow suit.  They did not. 
    So basically I see Vedder and Pearl Jam as having lost their edge and given in to the lures of fame.
    But the fact that this interview brought out some of those points and Vedder seems to be aware of the contradictions at least leaves me with a little hope that he will return to those roots he seems to so love.  You never know.
    Thanks for the article.  It obviously got me thinking!

    It's like you want them to live in a trailer or something. Flying in a private jet doesn't mean they're not the same person that doesn't care about causes. As for the Spotify thing. There was a tweet by Richard Marx I believe that said it's not as easy as you think. 
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  • I found this to be one of the most revealing of Ed's in years. As someone else said, when Ed didn't answer the question, this interviewer actually pressed on. About time. Most of the time interviewers just go to the next question. 

    As to the fame/causes/hypocrisy thing, I see them doing more good these days on a local or personal level than taking on The Man. Jeff with his skate parks, Mike with his Crohns and Colitis events, Ed with his EB foundation; it's all stuff that means a lot to them and hits close to home in each situation. 

    I think in a lot of ways that's quite normal as most people age; they find the things that are most important to them personally and within their groups of loved ones. 

    Some people still want to save the world (Bono), and some people just want to save their friends. It's ok to have both. 
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