Jan 6, FOUR Years Later...

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.

Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.

The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.

Cruz asked that question specifically.

“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.

“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.

A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.

The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

I find it odd Ray Epps was adamant on telling people they needed to go into the Capitol building yet he never did so himself. Was the FBI involved at all? It wouldn't surprise me. Looks like the FBI had their hands in the Whitmer kidnapping case. The FBI has a record of scandals and lying to the public. Homeland Security and the FBI had full knowledge of what was coming on Jan. 6 but didn't act, or did they?

 "The mission of the FBI is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution of the United States."

So one individual, Ray Epps, excuses all the other actions and individuals that we know about that happened that day? Ray Epps testified under oath and penalty of law before the 1/6 House investigation committee. Can you say the same of Steve O, Rodger Dodger Stoned, Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Miley Pence or other high level POOTWH Administration officials?

FBI false flag operation? LOL.

I never said that Ray Epps excuses all other actions and individuals. I don't believe the whole thing was orchestrated by the FBI but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a piece of the puzzle. The FBI made a decision to not (publicly) be at the capitol on Jan. 6 fully knowing what was coming.

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.

Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.

The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.

Cruz asked that question specifically.

“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.

“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.

A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.

The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

I find it odd Ray Epps was adamant on telling people they needed to go into the Capitol building yet he never did so himself. Was the FBI involved at all? It wouldn't surprise me. Looks like the FBI had their hands in the Whitmer kidnapping case. The FBI has a record of scandals and lying to the public. Homeland Security and the FBI had full knowledge of what was coming on Jan. 6 but didn't act, or did they?

 "The mission of the FBI is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution of the United States."

So one individual, Ray Epps, excuses all the other actions and individuals that we know about that happened that day? Ray Epps testified under oath and penalty of law before the 1/6 House investigation committee. Can you say the same of Steve O, Rodger Dodger Stoned, Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Miley Pence or other high level POOTWH Administration officials?

FBI false flag operation? LOL.

I never said that Ray Epps excuses all other actions and individuals. I don't believe the whole thing was orchestrated by the FBI but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a piece of the puzzle. The FBI made a decision to not (publicly) be at the capitol on Jan. 6 fully knowing what was coming.

Does the FBI regularly "publicly" attend demonstrations, protests and insurrections in Washington, DC? The bolded individuals have made a decision to not testify publicly (Miley Pence is still waiting permission from Mother). Why is that? 

I think there are plenty of unknown answers from both sides of this mess. The rioters or "insurrectionists" should never have done what they did. Our leaders and law enforcement knew what was coming and made a decision to not stop it or protect the capitol.

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.

Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.

The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.

Cruz asked that question specifically.

“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.

“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.

A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.

The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

I find it odd Ray Epps was adamant on telling people they needed to go into the Capitol building yet he never did so himself. Was the FBI involved at all? It wouldn't surprise me. Looks like the FBI had their hands in the Whitmer kidnapping case. The FBI has a record of scandals and lying to the public. Homeland Security and the FBI had full knowledge of what was coming on Jan. 6 but didn't act, or did they?

 "The mission of the FBI is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution of the United States."

So one individual, Ray Epps, excuses all the other actions and individuals that we know about that happened that day? Ray Epps testified under oath and penalty of law before the 1/6 House investigation committee. Can you say the same of Steve O, Rodger Dodger Stoned, Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Miley Pence or other high level POOTWH Administration officials?

FBI false flag operation? LOL.

I never said that Ray Epps excuses all other actions and individuals. I don't believe the whole thing was orchestrated by the FBI but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a piece of the puzzle. The FBI made a decision to not (publicly) be at the capitol on Jan. 6 fully knowing what was coming.

Does the FBI regularly "publicly" attend demonstrations, protests and insurrections in Washington, DC? The bolded individuals have made a decision to not testify publicly (Miley Pence is still waiting permission from Mother). Why is that? 

I think there are plenty of unknown answers from both sides of this mess. The rioters or "insurrectionists" should never have done what they did. Our leaders and law enforcement knew what was coming and made a decision to not stop it or protect the capitol.

And when they "decided" to not "stop it" or "protect" the capitol, who was in charge? They have a disciplined reporting structure and are trained to follow orders, like all police/military/intelligence agencies. They don't willy nilly decide, "hey guys and gals, lets go down to the capitol to protect it." You should be asking yourself why the requests for National Guard response was delayed for three hours. Who at the Pentagon withheld that aid? Who were they reporting to or taking orders from? Same with the FBI. Billy DISBarred, as Director of the DOJ certainly could have made an order for FBI involvement. Who was Secretary of Defense and who does that person report to? Who are your "leaders" that failed us? Its not that difficult to understand nor was it a far-reaching big government conspiracy. It was an attempt by a cabal of insurrectionists to overthrow an honest election on behalf of POOTWH and putin on the ritz. Full stop.

If what you believe is true, why didn't the "insurrectionists" use weapons to overthrow the government? You know that each one of those people have a closet full of guns. I've never thought about trying to overthrow a government but the first thing that comes to mind is that I better have enough weapons and I better be ready to use them no matter the cost. When Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed, why didn't anyone in that hallway fire back? 

To try and overthrow a government and to not use lethal weapons does not compute to me.

JB16057 said:

Watch out! Capitol Meemaw is going to overthrow the most armed country with her American flag!

Edit: I almost forgot to mention the damage she can do with her cell phone and water bottle. We should all be afraid!

JB16057 said:

Watch out! Capitol Meemaw is going to overthrow the most armed country with her American flag!

Edit: I almost forgot to mention the damage she can do with her cell phone and water bottle. We should all be afraid!