Jan 6, FOUR Years Later...

mfc2006 · January 2022

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1479481435530711044

fucking hilarious

Ridiculous & infuriating at the same time. Bizarro world we are living in.

OnWis97 · January 2022

Ted Cruz is such a gutless weasel. There are a lot of people to hate in that party but I don't think anyone is as much of a butt-kissing, spineless chump as Ted.

Gern Blansten · January 2022

OnWis97 said:

Ted Cruz is such a gutless weasel. There are a lot of people to hate in that party but I don't think anyone is as much of a butt-kissing, spineless chump as Ted.

agreed....he kissed tRump's ass after tRump insulted his wife and father. What a fucking spineless douche.

Let's not forget this beauty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-rHezGTdQ

Gern Blansten · January 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BNtP7tN8I

perhaps the greatest booger ever eaten

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

If you don't think it can happen again, or still think "it can't happen here," I've got news for you. Just listen, or at least be aware of the shit that is out there and how popular it is. Bodes well for the Republik, dontcha say?

Dan Bongino, one of America’s most popular conservative commentators, lives in the seaside city of Stuart, Florida, less than an hour from Mar-a-Lago, where his friend Donald Trump bridles against a forced retirement. Every weekday from noon to three—the coveted time slot once held by the late Rush Limbaugh—“The Dan Bongino Show” goes live across the United States, beginning with an announcer’s voice over the sound of hard-rock guitars: “From the N.Y.P.D. to the Secret Service to behind the microphone, taking the fight to the radical left and the putrid swamp.”

Bongino draws an estimated 8.5 million radio listeners a week, making him the fourth most listened to host in America, ahead of Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, and other big names, according to Talkers magazine, which covers the industry. Though he came to broadcasting only after three unsuccessful runs for Congress, he now commands a Fox News program on Saturday nights, a podcast that has ranked No. 1 on iTunes, and a Web site that repackages stories into some of the most highly trafficked items on social media. In recent months, according to Facebook data, his page has attracted more engagement than those of the Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal combined.

These days, his story line has expanded to encompass President Joe Biden—a “disgraceful, disgusting, grotesque bag of bones”—as well as his son Hunter. “The F.B.I. and the C.I.A., members of it, unquestionably tried to rig both the 2016 and 2020 election,” Bongino told his audience. In the latter, he explained, “they didn’t put out bad information on someone—they hid information about Joe Biden and his corrupt son.”

“A corrupted intelligence community, in conjunction with a corrupt media, will eat this country like a cancer from the inside out,” Bongino told his audience, as he built to a takeaway. “This is why I’m really hoping Donald Trump runs in 2024,” he said. “He’s the best candidate suited to clean house. Because if we don’t clean house the Republic is gone.”

Jennifer Mercieca, a professor of rhetoric at Texas A. & M., analyzed the information warfare of the Trump era in her book “Demagogue for President,” and catalogued some of the ascendant patterns of communication. There was “paralipsis,” emphasizing something by professing to say little of it (“I’m not going to call Jeb Bush ‘low energy’ ”), and the ad populum appeal, flattering a crowd by praising its wisdom (“The people, my people, are so smart”). When possible, Trump turned to the power of “reification,” applying nonhuman sobriquets to his opponents (“disgusting animals,” “anchor babies,” “pigs”). Aldous Huxley recognized that tactic as long ago as 1936, writing, “The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”

In a segment about the confirmation battle over the Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Bongino called it “pure unadulterated evil, what they did to this guy.” He announced a new sense of vocation: “My entire life right now is about owning the libs.”

Dan Bongino and the Big Business of Returning Trump to Power | The New Yorker

“I used that word all in 2020 for the antifa and BLM terrorists that assaulted cops,” Cruz pleaded, referring to Black Lives Matter. But then he capitulated entirely: “I agree: It was a mistake to use that word" for Jan. 6, because it helps “Democrats and the corporate media” demonize the right as “Nazis.”

This is the landing point Carlson really wanted: Not that it’s wrong to generally call people who assault police officers “terrorists,” but that it’s wrong to call right-wingers who assault police officers “terrorists."

The latter, after all, serves those who would depict Jan. 6, and the procedural election subversion leading up to it, as at bottom an effort to overturn our political order.

The mythologizing of Jan. 6

This trope is everywhere on the right. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) recently spent days depicting Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) as a bloodthirsty terrorist. For this they were celebrated on Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast, a command center for the far-right insurgency.

Pointing this out is not meant as whataboutism. This depiction of the left as an all-powerful monolithic enemy, as a full-scale civilizational threat, is absolutely central to the right-wing project as pursued by the likes of those great warriors.

It’s the key to valorizing the underlying goals of the Jan. 6 rioters and to the mythologizing of them as heroes and patriots. It lays the foundation for treating what they call the “regime,” i.e. democratically elected Democratic governments, as illegitimate, justifying Jan. 6, corrupt procedural efforts to overturn elections, the flirtation with political violence, and who knows what future acts in response.

Opinion | Ted Cruz kisses Tucker Carlson’s feet in a wild Fox News exchange, unmasking the far right - The Washington Post

Gern Blansten · January 2022

yeah it's fucked up

I spoke with a friend of mine yesterday that had been vaccinated but has not yet gotten his booster. He is a big Rogan fan. I told him he needed to get his ass in for a booster and he told me he has been taking some dumbass natural immunity booster that he gets from some health store.

Give me a fucking break. Even when the tRumpsters break from the norm and get vaccinated they still hesitate to get boosted because of all the bullshit they hear.

Parksy · January 2022

Halifax2TheMax said:

If you don't think it can happen again, or still think "it can't happen here," I've got news for you. Just listen, or at least be aware of the shit that is out there and how popular it is. Bodes well for the Republik, dontcha say?

Dan Bongino, one of America’s most popular conservative commentators, lives in the seaside city of Stuart, Florida, less than an hour from Mar-a-Lago, where his friend Donald Trump bridles against a forced retirement. Every weekday from noon to three—the coveted time slot once held by the late Rush Limbaugh—“The Dan Bongino Show” goes live across the United States, beginning with an announcer’s voice over the sound of hard-rock guitars: “From the N.Y.P.D. to the Secret Service to behind the microphone, taking the fight to the radical left and the putrid swamp.”

Bongino draws an estimated 8.5 million radio listeners a week, making him the fourth most listened to host in America, ahead of Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, and other big names, according to Talkers magazine, which covers the industry. Though he came to broadcasting only after three unsuccessful runs for Congress, he now commands a Fox News program on Saturday nights, a podcast that has ranked No. 1 on iTunes, and a Web site that repackages stories into some of the most highly trafficked items on social media. In recent months, according to Facebook data, his page has attracted more engagement than those of the Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal combined.

These days, his story line has expanded to encompass President Joe Biden—a “disgraceful, disgusting, grotesque bag of bones”—as well as his son Hunter. “The F.B.I. and the C.I.A., members of it, unquestionably tried to rig both the 2016 and 2020 election,” Bongino told his audience. In the latter, he explained, “they didn’t put out bad information on someone—they hid information about Joe Biden and his corrupt son.”

“A corrupted intelligence community, in conjunction with a corrupt media, will eat this country like a cancer from the inside out,” Bongino told his audience, as he built to a takeaway. “This is why I’m really hoping Donald Trump runs in 2024,” he said. “He’s the best candidate suited to clean house. Because if we don’t clean house the Republic is gone.”

Jennifer Mercieca, a professor of rhetoric at Texas A. & M., analyzed the information warfare of the Trump era in her book “Demagogue for President,” and catalogued some of the ascendant patterns of communication. There was “paralipsis,” emphasizing something by professing to say little of it (“I’m not going to call Jeb Bush ‘low energy’ ”), and the ad populum appeal, flattering a crowd by praising its wisdom (“The people, my people, are so smart”). When possible, Trump turned to the power of “reification,” applying nonhuman sobriquets to his opponents (“disgusting animals,” “anchor babies,” “pigs”). Aldous Huxley recognized that tactic as long ago as 1936, writing, “The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”

In a segment about the confirmation battle over the Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Bongino called it “pure unadulterated evil, what they did to this guy.” He announced a new sense of vocation: “My entire life right now is about owning the libs.”

Dan Bongino and the Big Business of Returning Trump to Power | The New Yorker

“I used that word all in 2020 for the antifa and BLM terrorists that assaulted cops,” Cruz pleaded, referring to Black Lives Matter. But then he capitulated entirely: “I agree: It was a mistake to use that word" for Jan. 6, because it helps “Democrats and the corporate media” demonize the right as “Nazis.”
This is the landing point Carlson really wanted: Not that it’s wrong to generally call people who assault police officers “terrorists,” but that it’s wrong to call right-wingers who assault police officers “terrorists."
The latter, after all, serves those who would depict Jan. 6, and the procedural election subversion leading up to it, as at bottom an effort to overturn our political order.
The mythologizing of Jan. 6
This trope is everywhere on the right. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) recently spent days depicting Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) as a bloodthirsty terrorist. For this they were celebrated on Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast, a command center for the far-right insurgency.
Pointing this out is not meant as whataboutism. This depiction of the left as an all-powerful monolithic enemy, as a full-scale civilizational threat, is absolutely central to the right-wing project as pursued by the likes of those great warriors.
It’s the key to valorizing the underlying goals of the Jan. 6 rioters and to the mythologizing of them as heroes and patriots. It lays the foundation for treating what they call the “regime,” i.e. democratically elected Democratic governments, as illegitimate, justifying Jan. 6, corrupt procedural efforts to overturn elections, the flirtation with political violence, and who knows what future acts in response.
Opinion | Ted Cruz kisses Tucker Carlson’s feet in a wild Fox News exchange, unmasking the far right - The Washington Post

Begs the question... how do you combat this? I know the saying goes 'you can't fix stupid' but when the stupid becomes this dangerous, you're left with no choice but to do something.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

Parksy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

If you don't think it can happen again, or still think "it can't happen here," I've got news for you. Just listen, or at least be aware of the shit that is out there and how popular it is. Bodes well for the Republik, dontcha say?

Dan Bongino, one of America’s most popular conservative commentators, lives in the seaside city of Stuart, Florida, less than an hour from Mar-a-Lago, where his friend Donald Trump bridles against a forced retirement. Every weekday from noon to three—the coveted time slot once held by the late Rush Limbaugh—“The Dan Bongino Show” goes live across the United States, beginning with an announcer’s voice over the sound of hard-rock guitars: “From the N.Y.P.D. to the Secret Service to behind the microphone, taking the fight to the radical left and the putrid swamp.”

Bongino draws an estimated 8.5 million radio listeners a week, making him the fourth most listened to host in America, ahead of Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, and other big names, according to Talkers magazine, which covers the industry. Though he came to broadcasting only after three unsuccessful runs for Congress, he now commands a Fox News program on Saturday nights, a podcast that has ranked No. 1 on iTunes, and a Web site that repackages stories into some of the most highly trafficked items on social media. In recent months, according to Facebook data, his page has attracted more engagement than those of the Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal combined.

These days, his story line has expanded to encompass President Joe Biden—a “disgraceful, disgusting, grotesque bag of bones”—as well as his son Hunter. “The F.B.I. and the C.I.A., members of it, unquestionably tried to rig both the 2016 and 2020 election,” Bongino told his audience. In the latter, he explained, “they didn’t put out bad information on someone—they hid information about Joe Biden and his corrupt son.”

“A corrupted intelligence community, in conjunction with a corrupt media, will eat this country like a cancer from the inside out,” Bongino told his audience, as he built to a takeaway. “This is why I’m really hoping Donald Trump runs in 2024,” he said. “He’s the best candidate suited to clean house. Because if we don’t clean house the Republic is gone.”

Jennifer Mercieca, a professor of rhetoric at Texas A. & M., analyzed the information warfare of the Trump era in her book “Demagogue for President,” and catalogued some of the ascendant patterns of communication. There was “paralipsis,” emphasizing something by professing to say little of it (“I’m not going to call Jeb Bush ‘low energy’ ”), and the ad populum appeal, flattering a crowd by praising its wisdom (“The people, my people, are so smart”). When possible, Trump turned to the power of “reification,” applying nonhuman sobriquets to his opponents (“disgusting animals,” “anchor babies,” “pigs”). Aldous Huxley recognized that tactic as long ago as 1936, writing, “The propagandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human.”

In a segment about the confirmation battle over the Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Bongino called it “pure unadulterated evil, what they did to this guy.” He announced a new sense of vocation: “My entire life right now is about owning the libs.”

Dan Bongino and the Big Business of Returning Trump to Power | The New Yorker

“I used that word all in 2020 for the antifa and BLM terrorists that assaulted cops,” Cruz pleaded, referring to Black Lives Matter. But then he capitulated entirely: “I agree: It was a mistake to use that word" for Jan. 6, because it helps “Democrats and the corporate media” demonize the right as “Nazis.”
This is the landing point Carlson really wanted: Not that it’s wrong to generally call people who assault police officers “terrorists,” but that it’s wrong to call right-wingers who assault police officers “terrorists."
The latter, after all, serves those who would depict Jan. 6, and the procedural election subversion leading up to it, as at bottom an effort to overturn our political order.
The mythologizing of Jan. 6
This trope is everywhere on the right. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) recently spent days depicting Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) as a bloodthirsty terrorist. For this they were celebrated on Stephen K. Bannon’s podcast, a command center for the far-right insurgency.
Pointing this out is not meant as whataboutism. This depiction of the left as an all-powerful monolithic enemy, as a full-scale civilizational threat, is absolutely central to the right-wing project as pursued by the likes of those great warriors.
It’s the key to valorizing the underlying goals of the Jan. 6 rioters and to the mythologizing of them as heroes and patriots. It lays the foundation for treating what they call the “regime,” i.e. democratically elected Democratic governments, as illegitimate, justifying Jan. 6, corrupt procedural efforts to overturn elections, the flirtation with political violence, and who knows what future acts in response.
Opinion | Ted Cruz kisses Tucker Carlson’s feet in a wild Fox News exchange, unmasking the far right - The Washington Post

Begs the question... how do you combat this? I know the saying goes 'you can't fix stupid' but when the stupid becomes this dangerous, you're left with no choice but to do something.

Re-implement the Fairness Doctrine at the FCC could be one thing but it won't solve it. Its too late. Far too many people are far too gone and any attempt at reform would be viewed as just another freedumb taken away. Libel laws being reconsidered and legislation being passed could be another avenue but that will never happen either.

All Anger, All the Time. Good luck 'Murica, you're going to need it.

mickeyrat · January 2022

HughFreakingDillon · January 2022

just watched Ted Cruz question a higher up at the FBI about the FBI's role in January 6th, and she kept saying "I can't answer that".

what's this about?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

HughFreakingDillon said:

just watched Ted Cruz question a higher up at the FBI about the FBI's role in January 6th, and she kept saying "I can't answer that".

what's this about?

US law enforcement agencies and intelligence services don't confirm or deny whether someone works for them. It can lead to revelations that they don't want revealed, sources and methods. Its been this way for since forever and is well known on the Hill. Ted Crud thinks he's got the Admin in a "gotcha" moment and it'll play well on Faux News and OAN. All it really shows is how stupid Ted Crud is. WaPo has a deeper explanation. From Letter From An American:

The committee today also debunked a story circulating on right-wing media that government agencies rather than Trump loyalists were behind the January 6 insurrection. Arizona resident Ray Epps was captured on video in Washington on January 5 and 6, and Trump allies, including Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have argued that he was a government agent trying to entrap Trump supporters. The committee says that it interviewed Epps and that he had told the members “he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

“Sorry crazies, it ain’t true,” committee member Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) tweeted.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

And Ray Epps testified before the committee under oath and the committee, in its official capacity, can verify whether he's an informant or has or does work for any law enforcement agency. If he lied under oath, he could go to jail. Ted Crud knows this but those Faux News and OAN viewers probably don't. Gives credence to the conspiracy theorists and makes Crud look like he's fighting for truth, justice and the 'Murican way. What's that term? "Political Theater."

gimmesometruth27 · January 2022

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2022

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

just watched Ted Cruz question a higher up at the FBI about the FBI's role in January 6th, and she kept saying "I can't answer that".

what's this about?

US law enforcement agencies and intelligence services don't confirm or deny whether someone works for them. It can lead to revelations that they don't want revealed, sources and methods. Its been this way for since forever and is well known on the Hill. Ted Crud thinks he's got the Admin in a "gotcha" moment and it'll play well on Faux News and OAN. All it really shows is how stupid Ted Crud is. WaPo has a deeper explanation. From Letter From An American:

The committee today also debunked a story circulating on right-wing media that government agencies rather than Trump loyalists were behind the January 6 insurrection. Arizona resident Ray Epps was captured on video in Washington on January 5 and 6, and Trump allies, including Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Matt Gaetz (R-FL) have argued that he was a government agent trying to entrap Trump supporters. The committee says that it interviewed Epps and that he had told the members “he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

“Sorry crazies, it ain’t true,” committee member Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) tweeted.

this is exactly what I thought. thanks.

JB16057 · January 2022

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.

Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.

The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.

Cruz asked that question specifically.

“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.

“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.

A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.

The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

Merkin Baller · January 2022

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

lol

JB16057 · January 2022

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.
Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.
The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.
Cruz asked that question specifically.
“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.
“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.
A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.
The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

I find it odd Ray Epps was adamant on telling people they needed to go into the Capitol building yet he never did so himself. Was the FBI involved at all? It wouldn't surprise me. Looks like the FBI had their hands in the Whitmer kidnapping case. The FBI has a record of scandals and lying to the public. Homeland Security and the FBI had full knowledge of what was coming on Jan. 6 but didn't act, or did they?

"The mission of the FBI is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution of the United States."

JB16057 · January 2022

Merkin Baller said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

lol

lol

Halifax2TheMax · January 2022

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

ray epps is the new hunter biden.

why do republicans always latch on to a single, solitary private citizen and demonize them?

you know this epps guy is going to start getting death threats now.

I think most on this board have stated that anyone involved in Jan. 6 should be charged with a crime. The FBI is still looking for people involved in Jan. 6. Why hasn't Ray Epps been charged with any crimes?

Because,

While authorities haven't commented, there is a plausible explanation for why Epps hasn't been charged with a crime. Nearly all of the 700-plus defendants charged in connection with January 6 either stepped inside the Capitol building or are accused of assaulting police on Capitol grounds. To date, no evidence has emerged showing that Epps entered the Capitol on January 6 or that he tussled with police.

Man accused by January 6 truthers of being FBI infiltrator denies claim in interview with House select committee - CNNPolitics

But of course, people have explained why Epps might not be arrested or even sought by federal investigators. Here, for example, is HuffPost’s Ryan Reilly, explaining why succinctly.

Reilly is tracking the grass-roots effort to identify those who entered the Capitol building, so he knows of what he speaks. There’s lots of footage of lots of people violating federal law by doing so; the available footage does not show Epps. In other words, there’s another likely reason that Epps wasn’t being sought by the FBI: He was already cleared.

There have been repeated “investigations” into Epps’s purported government links over the months, all of which start from the point of assuming that he is what the conspiracy theorists are looking for and then cobbling together evidence to support that view. This is known as confirmation bias. The suspicious things about Epps are suspicious largely because they are the things that have been pulled into the conspiracy theory. A group of people convinced without evidence that the 2020 election was stolen then deciding that some guy was a federal agent is not robust evidence for that being true.
Carlson deserves special mention here. He has regularly amplified claims about Epps, with Epps being mentioned on his show on Oct. 25, Nov. 1, Dec. 14, Dec. 28, Jan. 5 and Jan. 6. Epps played a central role in Carlson’s fringey “documentary” that attempted to blame federal agents for the Capitol riot, elevating claims by Darren Beattie, a far-right conservative media figure fired from the Trump administration for having attended a white nationalist conference. As Carlson’s former colleague Jon Ward wrote in his evisceration of Carlson’s documentary, a similarly accused individual identified by Beattie was later arrested. Beattie also at one point appeared on Carlson’s show to accuse other unnamed individuals of being federal agents; one was quickly revealed as an arrestee’s wife.
The point here isn’t that Epps was an agent provocateur. It was that, in their hunt for an agent provocateur — and, by extension, in their hunt to shift blame for the riot away from the pro-Trump right — Epps was good enough. Now that the argument that he’s evaded scrutiny has been undercut, we can expect one of two responses. Either that Epps was lying to the committee, perhaps with a wink, or that some other random person was the real federal agent.
Cruz asked that question specifically.
“Did federal agents or those in service of federal agents actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January 6th?” he asked Sanborn.
“Not to my knowledge,” she replied.
A few hours later — and after that statement from the Jan. 6 committee — Cruz pressed ahead anyway.
The Ray Epps Jan. 6 conspiracy theory suffers a reality-inflicted blow - The Washington Post

I find it odd Ray Epps was adamant on telling people they needed to go into the Capitol building yet he never did so himself. Was the FBI involved at all? It wouldn't surprise me. Looks like the FBI had their hands in the Whitmer kidnapping case. The FBI has a record of scandals and lying to the public. Homeland Security and the FBI had full knowledge of what was coming on Jan. 6 but didn't act, or did they?

"The mission of the FBI is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution of the United States."

So one individual, Ray Epps, excuses all the other actions and individuals that we know about that happened that day? Ray Epps testified under oath and penalty of law before the 1/6 House investigation committee. Can you say the same of Steve O, Rodger Dodger Stoned, Kevin McCarthy, Gym Jordan, Miley Pence or other high level POOTWH Administration officials?

FBI false flag operation? LOL.

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