America's Gun Violence #2
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The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.the school had knowledge of the drawings.the parents had knowledge of the newly purchased weapon that both the kid and the mom posted on social media stating it was the kids, each using the same picture on their individual posts.think the parents shared that little tidbit of informaton?
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meanwhile, out in Colorado.....Teen shootings in Denver suburb renew focus on gun violenceBy COLLEEN SLEVIN11 mins ago
DENVER (AP) — It was lunchtime on a mild day in the sprawling Denver suburb of Aurora when a truck full of teens pulled into a high school parking lot where students were gathered, and gunfire rang out.
Three were wounded as others ran in fear.
One of the boys charged in the Nov. 19 shooting later told investigators he brought his armed friends to an expected gang fight because “it’s the way it is in this town,” court documents said.
The shooting was one of several involving teenagers within a two-week span that have placed renewed attention on a long-running problem of gun violence and gangs in the state’s third largest city, where the police department has been under scrutiny for its treatment of Black residents. Activists and officials say easy access to guns is contributing to the problem, which has also been exacerbated by the pandemic and its effect particularly on the mental health of minority teens in the city.
Across the United States, shootings involving children and teenagers have increased in recent years, including 2021. A March report from the Children’s Defense Fund found child and teen shooting deaths reached a 19-year high in 2017 and have remained elevated. Black children and teenagers were four times more likely than whites to be fatally shot.
Aurora has seen an increase in Black and Latino families and immigrants from around the world as Denver has grown more expensive in recent years. These families of color have been hit harder health-wise but also economically by the COVID-19 pandemic, contributing to mental health problems, said Maisha Fields, an activist who works with youth and families in the city of about 379,000.
The Nov. 19 shooting started with an argument in the parking lot at Hinkley High School after the truckload of boys arrived. After the initial shots were fired, the pickup drove away, with at least two teens pointing guns from the windows, sending students running in fear, according to police.
Three 16-year-olds were later charged, including the boy who spoke to investigators about the gang fight.
Fields, who is also vice president for organizing for the Brady gun control advocacy group, said the teen's attitude about the need to be armed gave her chills. It reminded her of the callousness that led to her brother, Javad Marshall-Fields, and his fiancee, Vivian Wolfe, being shot and killed in Aurora in 2005 as he was preparing to testify against a man charged in the fatal shooting of his friend at a concert.
Jason McBride, a violence prevention expert who works with teens for the Struggle of Love Foundation in Denver and Aurora, and Aurora City Council member Angela Lawson both said teens have showed them Snapchat posts, where messages disappear, offering guns for sale.
McBride thinks gangs are to blame for much of the problem — not necessarily the organized Crips and Bloods as in previous years, but smaller, loosely affiliated groups of teens who may not be associated with a particular neighborhood but who get into disputes on social media.
Some also create their own untraceable guns using a 3-D printer or by buying and assembling parts purchased online, McBride said.
Generational trauma caused by seeing relatives killed in shootings has also normalized them, he said. And being kept away from school, an escape from problems at home, has strained the mental health of some teens.
McBride said a 16-year-old recently told him he would use bullets if he got into a fight so he would not have to worry about messing up his clothes.
“That’s the head space our kids are in,” he said.
While shootings involving teens are not a new problem in Aurora, ones on or near school grounds are unusual, said Kyla Armstrong-Romero, who was president of the city’s school board until stepping down last week after newly elected members took office. She said she hopes the attention given to the shootings near schools will ignite more interest in the work that needs to be done to prevent teen gun violence, which she said has often been underfunded.
Lawson agrees that social media fights and the effect of students being required to stay home last year have contributed to the violence. But she thinks gangs are only part of the reason for shootings.
The city’s original anti-gang program ended after its funding — fines from drivers caught on camera going through red lights — disappeared when voters eliminated the cameras in 2018. In April, the city started a new youth violence prevention program funded by an increase in the marijuana sales tax. However, only three of the planned six positions, including one outreach worker, have been filled, Lawson said.
With a $1.1 million budget, the city is in the process of recruiting for the remaining positions, city spokesperson Ryan Luby said. Some of the funding will also support community-led efforts, he said.
Teens in the city also need a dedicated place they can go, possibly one of the city’s recreation centers, where they can participate in organized activities, get access to services including mental health counseling and just talk to others, Lawson said.
Stemming the violence though will also require help from parents, police and the wider community, she said.
“It’s all hands on deck,” Lawson said.
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american talibanBentleyspop said:Meltdown99 said:U.S. congressman posts family Christmas picture with guns, days after school shooting
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The parents fucked up. Full stop. The dad bought the gun for the kid. Had he not done that, everybody would be alive. And if more “responsible” gun owners kept their guns secure, a whole shit ton of other ‘Muricans would be alive.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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According to the sheriff, they’re showing no remorse in jail either. Poor kid probably never had a chance.Halifax2TheMax said:
The parents fucked up. Full stop. The dad bought the gun for the kid. Had he not done that, everybody would be alive. And if more “responsible” gun owners kept their guns secure, a whole shit ton of other ‘Muricans would be alive.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.0 -
Watch their defiance lead to armed supporters showing up at trial.nicknyr15 said:
According to the sheriff, they’re showing no remorse in jail either. Poor kid probably never had a chance.Halifax2TheMax said:
The parents fucked up. Full stop. The dad bought the gun for the kid. Had he not done that, everybody would be alive. And if more “responsible” gun owners kept their guns secure, a whole shit ton of other ‘Muricans would be alive.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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They will just shift their focus from the lockdown protests which transitioned to the racial justice counter protests, to the election protests, to the vaccine protests. They have a gap in their schedule between now and the inevitable midterm protestsHalifax2TheMax said:
Watch their defiance lead to armed supporters showing up at trial.nicknyr15 said:
According to the sheriff, they’re showing no remorse in jail either. Poor kid probably never had a chance.Halifax2TheMax said:
The parents fucked up. Full stop. The dad bought the gun for the kid. Had he not done that, everybody would be alive. And if more “responsible” gun owners kept their guns secure, a whole shit ton of other ‘Muricans would be alive.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.
so yes, count on it. Any excuse to have a parade down the middle of the street with assault rifles.I would be shocked if it didn’t happen0 -
Dude is holding a SAW. Wifey is holding a Tommy Gun and the daughter has an uzi. That’s some crazy stuff.Bentleyspop said:Meltdown99 said:U.S. congressman posts family Christmas picture with guns, days after school shooting
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Always laugh at this stuff. He is going to insert his family into the public setting, probably made them do it. When they get blowback it’s the “leave my family out of it” they aren’t public figures craptempo_n_groove said:
Dude is holding a SAW. Wifey is holding a Tommy Gun and the daughter has an uzi. That’s some crazy stuff.Bentleyspop said:Meltdown99 said:U.S. congressman posts family Christmas picture with guns, days after school shooting
Just a normal American…
If I was him I’d be asking Santa for a bigger couch
plus the wife is pointing the gun at one of the kids heads standing behind her. Someone didn’t go to gun safety class.Post edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
It’s more than hurt feelings. It’s becoming very difficult to remove students from class. The admin asked the parents to take him home, but they said no and since it didn’t meet the standard for suspension they had to return him. Searching backpacks is a gray area, so if parents were being uncooperative, which sounds like they may have been, I wouldn’t expect a search either. Drawings like that unfortunately aren’t rare, they probably happen in every school.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.0 -
That’s why you call the POLICE. Are these educators to stupid to call 911. They must be stupid because they failed to call the cops. I hope every fucking educator involved and could have made that call never get a good night sleep again…another example of overpaid government minions too stupid to make a simple call to actual experts…mace1229 said:
It’s more than hurt feelings. It’s becoming very difficult to remove students from class. The admin asked the parents to take him home, but they said no and since it didn’t meet the standard for suspension they had to return him. Searching backpacks is a gray area, so if parents were being uncooperative, which sounds like they may have been, I wouldn’t expect a search either. Drawings like that unfortunately aren’t rare, they probably happen in every school.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.
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I have read about other schools with zero tolerance for things like this and take them very seriously. Any threat should be immediately investigated and if the kid is just joking around he will at least understand that his actions have consequences.mace1229 said:
It’s more than hurt feelings. It’s becoming very difficult to remove students from class. The admin asked the parents to take him home, but they said no and since it didn’t meet the standard for suspension they had to return him. Searching backpacks is a gray area, so if parents were being uncooperative, which sounds like they may have been, I wouldn’t expect a search either. Drawings like that unfortunately aren’t rare, they probably happen in every school.Meltdown99 said:
Tell that to the 4 dead and the numerous injured plus the emotional scarring caused to the survivors, first responders..Cropduster-80 said:
The problem with that is there is a huge segment in society who want the parents to have complete control of what their kids learn and how a school operates. School boards are getting overrun with these kinds of peopleMeltdown99 said:If the school officials had called the cops like YOU SHOULD DO in situations like this then everyone is likely alive, a 15 year old kid would be getting help needed (hopefully) and families aren’t grieving. The school fucked up…
you can blame the Neanderthal parents if people choose…but calling the parents over qualified law enforcement to deal with this situation showed a serious lack of judgement by the school…
Expecting all parents to show good judgement is ludicrous. The only qualification in being a parent is the ability to have sex. I expect school board staff to be wiser than parents…Had the school forced the kid out of school (That day they asked the parents to remove their kid and the parents said no). The school would get slammed for having an “agenda” having a liberal bias etc.
since nothing would have happened the school couldn’t show they made the right decision
schools are in an impossible position especially in places like Michigan. School boards control the school district and the boards are more frequently made up of untrained parents and people who want to dictate policy and curriculum to education professionalsHurt feelings heal. Dead is dead. That’s why you call the police. They have no emotional attachment to the situation.
These school officials fucked up and it cost peoples lives and they sent the kid back to class and never checked his back pack…
The school administrators should be terminated…hopefully the school board is sued into the ground.0 -
Yeah, when my boy was in kindergarten, one of his classmates said out loud that he was going to go home, get his dad's gun, and shoot the teacher.
It was not taken lightly.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
I had the opposite experiencedankind said:Yeah, when my boy was in kindergarten, one of his classmates said out loud that he was going to go home, get his dad's gun, and shoot the teacher.
It was not taken lightly.
when I was in high school my city had two high schools. I went to one and my stepfather was the principal of the other. One day a troubled female student threatened to shoot him. Police were immediately called she was arrested briefly and suspended. No gun was found and I believe she got probation in the juvenile system.
this was the 90’s in a state not unlike Michigan with gun culture. She definitely had access to one, it just was not on her the day the threat was made.
threat of a lawsuit came next as the school moved to expel her. The solution (via the school board) was to put her in the other high school to avoid denying her an education
the best part is I got to sit in class with her for a year and a half. I’m sure my stepdad would have gotten fired for giving me a heads up as to my new classmate… student privacy and all. But he did anyway, but I couldn’t tell my friends to watch out for fear of the leaked information getting traced back to him via me.
had she killed people who’s fault would it have been? Administration at the school level wanted her out.The problem is less of what to do when there is a threat, it’s about what to do after you address it. Kids have a legal right to a public education and after they address one issue the student is still the same person and still possibly a threat. It’s a tough call based on a feeling or a threat but with no actual actionPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
My wife is a high school teacher. She said that the procedure at her district is that the police get called for any threat or implied threat that involves firearms. They should have been called and had them determine what action to take. In the line of questioning, the fact that he had access to a firearm would have most likely come out, and probably would have resulted in his being removed from the school until he could have been evaluated by a professional.0
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I worked for a school district and was with administrators all day. I think you all would be appalled to find out what really goes on with every aspect of education. Not saying that all are like this but I’m telling you it’s most. The number one goal is to keep it all out of the news. I had a superintendent crying hysterically knowing that an incident with the board would be reported to the news. I’ve seen theft, embezzlement, suicide of an administrative assistant, attempted murder by arson, adultery, you name it, it happens in education. Education administrators, teachers,
who’ve never held positions outside of education go to school (k-12), go to college, then go right into schools to work never leave school mentality, don’t know how to deal with the real world and because the money they use and receive belongs to everyone just not one (like the owners of companies) they just don’t care. I watched payroll not reconciled for 6 years and questioned it repeatedly but was ignored, that is until the embezzlement which resulted in suicide.I only worked there 11 years after working in the real world for 23. To say I was better off oblivious to the truth of education during my real world job would be an understatement.For my mental and physical health I walked away from a job close to 6 figures because I just couldn’t handle it morally any longer. School districts should do the right thing at all times no matter what and let the parents sue, there’s insurance for that. I’m still embarrassed and feel guilt that I silently (not going public because I reported everything by chain of command) watched what I did before leaving.And unfortunately I’m telling the complete truth because seriously I couldn’t make all this shit up.0 -
How much money was invested in those guns? Probably a little more than the infamous cookware purchase made by the VP. But then again, fancy cookware isn't a necessity.Meltdown99 said:U.S. congressman posts family Christmas picture with guns, days after school shooting
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https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/education/student-arrested-threats-elyria-westwood-middle-school/95-88aa41ac-a561-43c4-898d-a372aae58a11
ELYRIA, Ohio — Elyria City Schools says a student has been arrested “in connection with threats that were directed at Westwood Middle School yesterday on social media.”
The district shared the news in a Facebook post Monday morning after they were notified of the student’s arrest by the Lorain County Sheriff's Department.
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