ISO Temple of the Dog vinyl: which version is best?

HughFreakingDillon
HughFreakingDillon Posts: 40,268
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also, what's a decent price to pay? I've seen some single record reissues, some double vinyl reissues. Not sure what's best, and if there is a massive price difference between the versions. 

Thanks!

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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 12,387
    My purple MOV is great. I'm not an audiophile. It sounds good and looks pretty!  I'd just be wary of bootlegs.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 40,268
    Loujoe said:
    My purple MOV is great. I'm not an audiophile. It sounds good and looks pretty!  I'd just be wary of bootlegs.
    Yeah, i'm not audiophile either. as long as it sounds good, and yes, i will stay away from boots for sure. 
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  • RW8297
    RW8297 Posts: 1,619
    Purple MOV is awesome.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    Ditto on the MOV. They also did a fantastic job on the MLB reissue too. 
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    MOV sounds great to me
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  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited November 2021
    I have the purple MOV as well. They used 24/96 hi res digital transfer for the source according to a poster on a Steve Hoffman forum thread who checked with MOV. 
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,089
    edited November 2021
    I have the 25th anniversary on black vinyl, side 4 has an etched image. I can’t compare it to the purple MOV versions but I like this one. No idea what it’s worth now as I bought it new several years ago. But I wouldn’t pass it up if you found a good price on one.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Posts: 40,268
    thanks all! 
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  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    also, what's a decent price to pay? I've seen some single record reissues, some double vinyl reissues. Not sure what's best, and if there is a massive price difference between the versions. 

    Thanks!

    @MedozK
    Yea, the MOV is really good. I really need to A/B the 25th anniversary with it. But I don't think you can go wrong with the MOV.
  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,941
    edited November 2021
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    Post edited by hrd2imgn on
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    If you can get the pure hi res digital recording and play it through your hifi system, theoretically you wouldn’t need the vinyl for sound quality.   However, I enjoy the experience and ritual of vinyl. Locating the best sounding record… taking care of it… the artwork. Basically geeking out. 
    All the stuff that is mostly lost in digital format. 
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,982
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    That's a deep question.  High Res digital files are pretty damn good.  I would consider them just as good quality as vinyl (if sourced properly).  So then it becomes other aspects of vinyl that you like.  Grabbing a record off the shelf, putting on the player, going through the art work etc...

    Ethically I've been giving this though, because I love vinyl, but vinyl is made from a byproduct of oil, and you can get a pretty close approximation through high res digital files.   In the future if we make any bid to save the planet, will we need to give up things like vinyl?
  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,673
    Zod said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    That's a deep question.  High Res digital files are pretty damn good.  I would consider them just as good quality as vinyl (if sourced properly).  So then it becomes other aspects of vinyl that you like.  Grabbing a record off the shelf, putting on the player, going through the art work etc...

    Ethically I've been giving this though, because I love vinyl, but vinyl is made from a byproduct of oil, and you can get a pretty close approximation through high res digital files.   In the future if we make any bid to save the planet, will we need to give up things like vinyl?
    There should be a market for recycled and repurposed plastics in the future, just not production of new plastics.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,078
    edited November 2021
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    It's hard to find much music that's truly AAA, unless you're talking about jazz,  AP, and a few others.  But I still think that a well mastered ADA record still sounds better than 24/96 and I have a pretty high end DAC. And I definitely think my purple MOV sounds better than any other version of TOTD I own. 
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited November 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    It's hard to find much music that's truly AAA, unless you're talking about jazz,  AP, and a few others.  But I still think that a well mastered ADA record still sounds better than 24/96 and I have a pretty high end DAC. And I definitely think my purple MOV sounds better than any other version of TOTD I own. 
    Spin the (insert colours here) Circle! 
    That’s good info mr1. I don’t have a DAC so I was speaking theoretically.  I was in a stereo equipment shop and the guy demonstrated a $50,000 CDN stereo system and was playing tunes via a hi res streaming service (can’t remember the name). 
    I have to say, it sounded pretty damn good, although I’m sure he knew which songs to play that were mastered perfectly which demonstrated the capability of that amazing system.

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,078
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    It's hard to find much music that's truly AAA, unless you're talking about jazz,  AP, and a few others.  But I still think that a well mastered ADA record still sounds better than 24/96 and I have a pretty high end DAC. And I definitely think my purple MOV sounds better than any other version of TOTD I own. 
    Spin the (insert colours here) Circle! 
    That’s good info mr1. I don’t have a DAC so I was speaking theoretically.  I was in a stereo equipment shop and the guy demonstrated a $50,000 CDN stereo system and was playing tunes via a hi res streaming service (can’t remember the name). 
    I have to say, it sounded pretty damn good, although I’m sure he knew which songs to play that were mastered perfectly which demonstrated the capability of that amazing system.

    I think digital can sound great!  But still, great vinyl vs great digital is a vinyl win all day long for me.  You and I share a lot of teh same records, and jazz is a great bench mark.  I have some very high end digital files of the classics (KOB, Monk's Dream, Blue Train, etc.) and our records are definitely a better listening experience (IMO). 
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited November 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    so now let's ignite the digital sourced vinyl debate.  If it isn't analog sourced, is it really analog?  If it isn't then just get the download. If just looking strictly on sound why bother with vinyl that is not analog sourced?
    It's hard to find much music that's truly AAA, unless you're talking about jazz,  AP, and a few others.  But I still think that a well mastered ADA record still sounds better than 24/96 and I have a pretty high end DAC. And I definitely think my purple MOV sounds better than any other version of TOTD I own. 
    Spin the (insert colours here) Circle! 
    That’s good info mr1. I don’t have a DAC so I was speaking theoretically.  I was in a stereo equipment shop and the guy demonstrated a $50,000 CDN stereo system and was playing tunes via a hi res streaming service (can’t remember the name). 
    I have to say, it sounded pretty damn good, although I’m sure he knew which songs to play that were mastered perfectly which demonstrated the capability of that amazing system.

    I think digital can sound great!  But still, great vinyl vs great digital is a vinyl win all day long for me.  You and I share a lot of teh same records, and jazz is a great bench mark.  I have some very high end digital files of the classics (KOB, Monk's Dream, Blue Train, etc.) and our records are definitely a better listening experience (IMO). 
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    To me you have to have an exceptionally mastered digital file, to match vinyl. But I really think it comes down to the mastering engineer. They can make vinyl sound like shit and can make digital sound great or vice versa.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,982
    MedozK said:
    To me you have to have an exceptionally mastered digital file, to match vinyl. But I really think it comes down to the mastering engineer. They can make vinyl sound like shit and can make digital sound great or vice versa.

    I've always found it weird that the albums we grew up listening in the 80's/90's.  I don't think they were mastered differently for cd/vinyl.  It seems to only be a recent occurrence that some albums get mastered differently on vinyl.   I guess it's part of the loudness war.  Loudness war makes digital/cd not sound great.   Sometimes they allow more dynamic range on the vinyl.

    The thing is we shouldn't need separate masters.. lol.  They should use the same amazing master for both.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Zod said:
    MedozK said:
    To me you have to have an exceptionally mastered digital file, to match vinyl. But I really think it comes down to the mastering engineer. They can make vinyl sound like shit and can make digital sound great or vice versa.

    I've always found it weird that the albums we grew up listening in the 80's/90's.  I don't think they were mastered differently for cd/vinyl.  It seems to only be a recent occurrence that some albums get mastered differently on vinyl.   I guess it's part of the loudness war.  Loudness war makes digital/cd not sound great.   Sometimes they allow more dynamic range on the vinyl.

    The thing is we shouldn't need separate masters.. lol.  They should use the same amazing master for both.
    Brickwall mastering. Just awful. 

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