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  • static111
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he believed in what was right and had integrity wouldn't he at least put up a fight against a Pro trump candidate?
    Why would you spend your time, resources and likely own money to fight a lost cause.  Sorry, I wouildn't do that.  He has his family to think about too.  Life goes on after your time in the House.  He has a life to live and a new career to find.  It's no more his moral obligation that it is either of yours to mount your own campaign. 
    So what is the argument for someone primarying AOC.  I know you aren't in support of this, but I am wondering what case would be made to knowingly go into a losing battle like that?
    Presumably they don't think it's a losing battle.  I don't know enough to say what this person is thinking.  I wouldn't waste the time, energy and resources, along with getting the proctology exam on my life choices, just to lose.  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?
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  • mickeyrat
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 
  • mickeyrat
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 

    lowly drink slingers.....

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  • Lerxst1992
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    mickeyrat said:
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.

    Except she spearheaded a massive rebellion against her party by holding up the infrastructure bill and didn’t budge until the voters spoke. Funny that voters hate party infighting.

    one thing the combined GOP got right, bartenders can make terrible politicians. 

    lowly drink slingers.....

    Ocasio-Cortez attended Boston University, where she double-majored in international relations and economics, graduating cum laude. She was previously an activist and worked as a waitress and bartender before running for Congress in 2018.


    You got me, that double major degree really did wonders for the Dems last Tuesday. Maybe AOC should prove her worth by flipping some swing or red districts before starting a civil war among Dems when they hold the White House.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.
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  • Lerxst1992
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.

    aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


    He's not afraid of them.  He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it.  If he was afraid,  he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line. 
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    point blank is the dems need aoc more than she needs the dems. imagine if the squad broke off and formed their own party. they would cut the democratic party in half and give the gop electoral victories for the next 10 election cycles. the dems need progressives. the progressives do not need the dems.

    aoc can now go back to her district and say, "see, i wanted more than what the party wanted to give you, and i refused to vote for something giving you less." it is a winning play in her district.
    That's wrong.  Sanders shows the clear limits of what progressives can do on their own.  He couldn't beat Biden.  Yes they could split the party,  but then neither will win.  
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


    He's not afraid of them.  He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it.  If he was afraid,  he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line. 
    "Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


    He's not afraid of them.  He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it.  If he was afraid,  he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line. 
    "Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
    Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there.  Don't talk about it,  be about it. 
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


    He's not afraid of them.  He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it.  If he was afraid,  he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line. 
    "Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
    Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there.  Don't talk about it,  be about it. 
    Because I’m not a repub, duh. Nor am I the smartest guy in the room, despite popular belief. And ghosts. Did I mention the ghosts? He’s an incumbent holding a seat as a repub in a repub district. He strikes me as scared. Or totally fine with POOTWH taking over his party and destroying the nation.
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    AOC has more integrity than the GOP combined.
    A little overstated but sure.  Adam Kinzinger has integrity.  I don't think she always makes the right stands but we know where she stands. 
    do not ever forget that kinzinger voted for trump's agenda 90% of the time. voting to impeach does not nullify the damage that that 90% has done.
    I guess it depends on what you mean by that.  What part of the Trump legislative agenda did Kinz vote for that lacks integrity?  You can have political disagreements and still have integrity and humanity. 
    But he’s caved when confronted with a potential POOTWH primary challenger, in effect ceding a seat to the POOTWH Party. AOC is being primaried and she’s not resigning.
    Because he won't win.  Same issue for Anthony Gonzales. AOC will win.  I don't see what that had to do with integrity though. 
    If he had integrity, he’d fight for his seat and make the case against the POOTWH party. He’s rolling over. No integrity in that.
    See my comment to Static.  He doesn't owe anyone that.  Once his term is over, his service is performed.  
    If currently elected repubs aren’t going to defend the party from POOTWH taking it completely over, then who is? Safe to call him a quitter?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/2/24/22300280/illinois-rep-adam-kinzinger-pro-trump-gop-primary-challenger-catalina-lauf-523900-hits-on-video
    Sure you can call him a quitter.  But he doesn't lack integrity and he doesn't owe any of us anything after his term his up.  That's my point.  He has to take care of his family first and foremost.  That's what I would do. 
    Does he owe his nation anything? Pension and all?

    given he is still in the air force reserve, what exactly does he owe you,
    I think he owes the nation to run again and keep his party from becoming the POOTWH Party because, like all rebellions or civil wars, they're only solved from within. Lynn Cheney and AOC have a bigger set than he does.


    Let’s get real, AOC won a safe seat in a district where the population identifies closely and passionately with her specifically.  She has flipped zero seats nationwide and for someone with her limited political profile to rip the party in half and take down a president in her own party is quite disgusting to be honest. Biden is not trump and did not deserve that progressive power play holding up the infrastructure bill.

    if the Dems were at all like the republicans they’d kick her out of the caucus by now. So I’d stop the silly comparisons with Kinzinger, GOP primaries are a far different animal right now
    She also took on an entrenched, party backed incumbent. And she's not afraid to take on the leadership of her party. And she's being primaried. And it appears, from reading Manchin's "concerns" about spending, that she's correct in not trusting the establishment to pass the companion spending bill. Adam Kinzinger is afraid of the POOTWH wing of his party and is ceding it to them. AOC is under constant threats of death from Marjorie Three Names and the unhinged and she's taking them on. Who would you rather have in your corner? AOC was elected partly to not to be "business as usual."


    He's not afraid of them.  He's a realist. And he doesn't want to go through it.  If he was afraid,  he would not be in a position to lose because he would have towed the line. 
    "Realist?" Knowing he'll get beat, not putting his family through it, or not wanting to fight for what is right? Liz Cheney is being very clear about what allowing POOTWH to hijack the party and let his whack jobs assume power means for the nation. As an Air Force reservist, I'm pretty sure he took an oath to defend the Constitution, from both foreign and domestic threats. So surrender, I guess?
    Why aren't you running in a red distinct? Put yourself out there.  Don't talk about it,  be about it. 
    Because I’m not a repub, duh. Nor am I the smartest guy in the room, despite popular belief. And ghosts. Did I mention the ghosts? He’s an incumbent holding a seat as a repub in a repub district. He strikes me as scared. Or totally fine with POOTWH taking over his party and destroying the nation.
    Or just ready to move on with his life. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,796
    Are we going to end up with 4 parties?
    OAC Dems
    Moderate Dems
    Trump GOP
    Lincoln Project GOP

    Or just one big KAOS party?
    Get Smart - Wikipedia
    Is anyone "home"?


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    brianlux said:
    Are we going to end up with 4 parties?
    OAC Dems
    Moderate Dems
    Trump GOP
    Lincoln Project GOP

    Or just one big KAOS party?
    Get Smart - Wikipedia
    Is anyone "home"?


    "Would you believe..." yes...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,796
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Are we going to end up with 4 parties?
    OAC Dems
    Moderate Dems
    Trump GOP
    Lincoln Project GOP

    Or just one big KAOS party?
    Get Smart - Wikipedia
    Is anyone "home"?


    "Would you believe..." yes...

    OK, lets pretend it's so.  What do the midterms look like?  And the 2024? 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Are we going to end up with 4 parties?
    OAC Dems
    Moderate Dems
    Trump GOP
    Lincoln Project GOP

    Or just one big KAOS party?
    Get Smart - Wikipedia
    Is anyone "home"?


    "Would you believe..." yes...

    OK, lets pretend it's so.  What do the midterms look like?  And the 2024? 
    Hey now, I was just quoting a famous Smart line. There's no way the parties break up.  You have to win majority of EC otherwise the House decides.  That system alone pushes us to two party,  big tents. Otherwise we would have some weird, hybrid parliamentary system. 
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