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  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,803
    This is by far the best response I’ve seen to this:

    https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/frog-from-silverchairs-debut-album-to-sue-rock-group-saying-he-never-agreed-to-be-stomped-on/

    Frog From Silverchair’s Debut Album To Sue Rock Group Saying He Never Agreed To Be Stomped On

    The frog that appeared on the cover art for Silverchair’s 1995 debut album ‘Frogstomp’ is taking the band to court over allegations he never agreed to be stomped during the shoot.

    Kevin Rocheedy, a 30-year-old green frog who is now unemployed and living in the cistern of a Cessnock public toilet, told the court through his lawyer that Silverchair took advantage of him and because of that, has suffered and requires large financial compensation.

    Even though frontman Daniel Johns was only 14-years-old and “70 kilos wringing wet”, Mr Rocheedy says it still hurt a great deal when Mr Johns repeatedly stomped on him during the photo sessions for the artwork.

    According to court documents, the amphibian was tricked into posting for the photo by the record label, who assured him that no stomping would take place.

    Mr Rocheedy alleges that the entire photoshoot was him being stomped on repeatedly by members of Silverchair and Matthew Johns (no relation to the defendant).

    Management for Daniel Johns has been contacted for comment but The Advocatehas yet to receive a reply.

    Mr Rocheedy was also unavailable for comment after being accidentally flushed down the toilet by a grey nomad.

    More to come.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,543

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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,264
    mickeyrat said:

    Amazing 
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

    The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,543
    facepollution said:
    Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

    The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

    look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

    dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    mickeyrat said:
    facepollution said:
    Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

    The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

    look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

    dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......
    Yeah that's why I said I thought it was crass.

    The dude wants compensating for his picture being used on a record that's sold over 30 million copies, and continues to generate massive amounts of money.  I can see why he thinks that making chump change for autographs at conventions pales in comparison to what is being made by the Nirvana estate.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I can understand that it must be frustrating to be famous for something that you had no say in, and having nothing much to show for it.
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    edited August 2021
    People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

    The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

    Oh wait. They kind of did that. 
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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    dudeman said:
    People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

    The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

    Oh wait. They kind of did that. 
    I think you're probably right, by the time that record came out, the stars had aligned and its success was pretty much guaranteed.  However, this is the cover they chose, and by design it was made to be eye-catching and provocative - the baby chasing the dollar was meant to be a statement of sorts.  And so whilst the cover doesn't change the music or the cultural impact it made, it is inextricably tied to the phenomenon that is Nevermind.  
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    facepollution said:
    mickeyrat said:
    facepollution said:
    Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

    The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

    look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

    dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......
    Yeah that's why I said I thought it was crass.

    The dude wants compensating for his picture being used on a record that's sold over 30 million copies, and continues to generate massive amounts of money.  I can see why he thinks that making chump change for autographs at conventions pales in comparison to what is being made by the Nirvana estate.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I can understand that it must be frustrating to be famous for something that you had no say in, and having nothing much to show for it.
    You're ignoring or not paying attention to a key element in this whole situation: TIMING.  When this guy's parents were PAID (maybe only $100 bucks, not sure the amount) to do this, Nirvana was NOT a household name by a longshot.  NO ONE knew where this was going to go, and they probably figured "Hey, we'll get $100 bucks out of it and no one will know it's our particular kid if we don't want them to as he gets older".

    When you make an agreement to do something, as long as both sides fulfill their obligations, the situation is over. Done.  His parents got what they were told they'd get for him being in the picture.

    The fact that this album and this cover went on to represent a damn GENERATION and a whole movement of music is both cool, and daunting, and crazy, and yes very lucrative for those with rights to the album art.  But nothing about that says "injustice", and for this guy to sue AFTER putting HIMSELF out there as "The baby on the Nevermind cover" for money, honestly the Nirvana estate should sue him back for attorney's fees for wasting their time.  It's ridiculous, and while I absolutely understand WHY he wants more money, he simply doesn't have a right to it nor is it "unjust" that he didn't make a forture.

    All over the world there are people who got paid for art for album covers that never went anywhere, so getting paid at the time was a good deal.  This is one of the few that exploded, so it goes... lucky for whoever owns the rights and all the merch made from it.
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    dudeman said:
    People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

    The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

    Oh wait. They kind of did that. 
    Good point, by the time the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit was a thing, they could have just had a paper bag over a blank album cover with only "Nirvana - Nevermind" on it and it would have sold insane amounts.  No one can say it was the cover that made the difference, I was a music fan at the time who, while I liked punk, I didn't like "loud screetchy music" or the music with lots of "quiet then loud than deafening then quiet then loud, rinse, repeat" songs.  A friend in school lent me Nevermind and said "Check it out" before SmellsLTS was even a radio hit, and I played SMLS over... and over... and over.... jumping around my room like Nirvana fans would go on to jump around at shows.

    I called it a "primal reaction" and it was, and it was what made them that freakin' amazing, recorded and live (but especially live!)

    So the cover... well, whatever, nevermind.

    ;)
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    Thanks to all those who posted the parody reactions to this silly situation, those are awesome!
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    JH6056 said:
    facepollution said:
    mickeyrat said:
    facepollution said:
    Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

    The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

    look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

    dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......
    Yeah that's why I said I thought it was crass.

    The dude wants compensating for his picture being used on a record that's sold over 30 million copies, and continues to generate massive amounts of money.  I can see why he thinks that making chump change for autographs at conventions pales in comparison to what is being made by the Nirvana estate.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I can understand that it must be frustrating to be famous for something that you had no say in, and having nothing much to show for it.
    You're ignoring or not paying attention to a key element in this whole situation: TIMING.  When this guy's parents were PAID (maybe only $100 bucks, not sure the amount) to do this, Nirvana was NOT a household name by a longshot.  NO ONE knew where this was going to go, and they probably figured "Hey, we'll get $100 bucks out of it and no one will know it's our particular kid if we don't want them to as he gets older".

    When you make an agreement to do something, as long as both sides fulfill their obligations, the situation is over. Done.  His parents got what they were told they'd get for him being in the picture.

    The fact that this album and this cover went on to represent a damn GENERATION and a whole movement of music is both cool, and daunting, and crazy, and yes very lucrative for those with rights to the album art.  But nothing about that says "injustice", and for this guy to sue AFTER putting HIMSELF out there as "The baby on the Nevermind cover" for money, honestly the Nirvana estate should sue him back for attorney's fees for wasting their time.  It's ridiculous, and while I absolutely understand WHY he wants more money, he simply doesn't have a right to it nor is it "unjust" that he didn't make a forture.

    All over the world there are people who got paid for art for album covers that never went anywhere, so getting paid at the time was a good deal.  This is one of the few that exploded, so it goes... lucky for whoever owns the rights and all the merch made from it.
    Oh I understand all everyone is saying.  All I'm really getting at is that I can understand his ambivalence about the situation, it's a weird situation for anyone to be in, and as I said in my first post, I think the reasoning behind the lawsuit is very typical of the era we're in now. Regardless, it'll be really interesting to see how it plays out, I'd imagine a settlement.  If he were to win, it would set a pretty crazy precedent. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,533
    edited September 2021
    30th anniversary editions of Nevermind coming out soon. 

    https://shop.nirvana.com/
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,813
    edited September 2021
    I volunteered bass duties with some local musicians to play Nevermind front to back this Saturday, so I've spent the last 6 weeks learning it.... man, I can't believe how much I slept on Novoselic as a bass player. 

    Some of his bass lines are clever AF. 


    It's also been an awesome way to rediscover this album I used to love but got burnt out on almost 20 years ago. Occasionally in recent years I would reach for Bleach, or In Utero or Live & Loud, but never Nevermind. 

    It really is an amazing fucking album. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,255
    agreed...I tend to favor Bleach over Nevermind but still great
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    30th anniversary editions of Nevermind coming out soon. 

    https://shop.nirvana.com/
    Lordy. Those live shows are worth the cost of the expanded set! 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    I sure fucking hope the live Bluray doesn't look as badly upscaled as the trailer make it look
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    30th anniversary editions of Nevermind coming out soon. 

    https://shop.nirvana.com/
    Lordy. Those live shows are worth the cost of the expanded set! 
    That Melbourne '92 show is one of my favorites. Sick versions of Aneurysm, Love Buzz, and in my opinion, the best Smells Like Teen Spirit. 
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I sure fucking hope the live Bluray doesn't look as badly upscaled as the trailer make it look
    I'm not a whiz when it comes to that stuff, but wouldn't that be the best they could do considering it probably wasn't originally shot in HD? 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,489
    edited September 2021
    Maybe it's youtube... but this clip of  Breed from the Amsterdam Bluray

    https://youtu.be/azGrHPOJ588

    make me think of this photo app:



    Just like so many shitty upscaled musicvideos:

    https://youtu.be/vU05Eksc_iM


    Thank god for this Breed:

    https://youtu.be/tGc8jL4dzao
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