Nirvana

pjoasisrule

Been on a Nirvana kick lately since I have been reading a book on them and got the Unplugged DVD. I think out of all bands that dont exist anymore, I would most want to see them live. Their shows had so much energy and you never really knew what to expect from them. Thinking about them makes me miss the 90's and wish that I was just alittle bit older when Nirvana (as well as Pearl Jam, etc.) were big.

stateoflove79

pjoasisrule wrote:

Been on a Nirvana kick lately since I have been reading a book on them and got the Unplugged DVD. I think out of all bands that dont exist anymore, I would most want to see them live. Their shows had so much energy and you never really knew what to expect from them. Thinking about them makes me miss the 90's and wish that I was just alittle bit older when Nirvana (as well as Pearl Jam, etc.) were big.

Good band...but I think of all the bands that are gone, I would want to see AIC more than anything. Then maybe Nirvana or Soundgarden.

Jack_C_Gregory

pjoasisrule wrote:

Been on a Nirvana kick lately since I have been reading a book on them and got the Unplugged DVD. I think out of all bands that dont exist anymore, I would most want to see them live. Their shows had so much energy and you never really knew what to expect from them. Thinking about them makes me miss the 90's and wish that I was just alittle bit older when Nirvana (as well as Pearl Jam, etc.) were big.

Is it the book written by Everett True?

pjoasisrule

WeaponX655321 wrote:

Is it the book written by Everett True?

I dont think so, the book is called Come As You Are

chikevin

'heavier than heaven' gives some great insight about kurt's early days and what was going on with the band.

Cropduster84

chikevin wrote:

'heavier than heaven' gives some great insight about kurt's early days and what was going on with the band.

Agreed.

In my opinion the best book written on Cobain.....

dane

Kurt shot himself when I was 16 and I remember feeling that he was a quiter! I hated all the hype it created and all the new fans that suddenly appeared after he died. I didn't listen to Nirvana for several years.
Eventually I started appreciating Kurts talent again, the great music that Nirvana made and the impact they (along with others) had on the 90's music scene.
However sad it was, Kurts story is basicly a normal junkie story. If they don't overdose or get killed by pushers, they commit suicide. So looking back on it, he's fate was kinda allready sealed.
But I would have loved seeing them live. I actually had tickets for their Copenhagen show 2 weeks after his suicide. And I would have loved to see how far Nirvana could have taken it.

BTW Everyone should own a copy of "Touch me, I'm sick" by Charles Peterson. His photos are incredible! There's some fantastic ones of Kurt and crowds at Nirvana shows.

patrickredeyes

pjoasisrule wrote:

Been on a Nirvana kick lately since I have been reading a book on them and got the Unplugged DVD. I think out of all bands that dont exist anymore, I would most want to see them live. Their shows had so much energy and you never really knew what to expect from them. Thinking about them makes me miss the 90's and wish that I was just alittle bit older when Nirvana (as well as Pearl Jam, etc.) were big.

Oct 1993 Milwaukee show was kick ass. Mudhoney and Jawbreaker were the opening bands.

Anon

i've heard that AIC (along w/ STP) were hit or miss live. sometimes they would KILL, other times Layne would be so wasted on stage he couldn't sing. not sure if i'd want to see that.

pjoasisrule

patrickredeyes wrote:

Oct 1993 Milwaukee show was kick ass. Mudhoney and Jawbreaker were the opening bands.

Your a lucky guy

patrickredeyes

pjoasisrule wrote:

Your a lucky guy

I almost didn't go cause I couldn't find the number to call to buy tickets. My mom told me not to worry. I could always see Nirvana next time. Six months later we all know what happened. I'm so glad I didn't listen to my mom. LOL

pjoasisrule

patrickredeyes wrote:

I almost didn't go cause I couldn't find the number to call to buy tickets. My mom told me not to worry. I could always see Nirvana next time. Six months later we all know what happened. I'm so glad I didn't listen to my mom. LOL

What venue did the play?

restlesssoul

dane wrote:

BTW Everyone should own a copy of "Touch me, I'm sick" by Charles Peterson. His photos are incredible! There's some fantastic ones of Kurt and crowds at Nirvana shows.

that cover shot is kurt in vancouver, a buddy asked me to go to that show, but i said no thank you. :( im stoopid :(

patrickredeyes

pjoasisrule wrote:

What venue did the play?

The old Mecca arena downtown Milwaukee. Around 2400 fans were at the show.

Jack_C_Gregory

pjoasisrule wrote:

I dont think so, the book is called Come As You Are

In my opinion, Come As You Are is the best Nirvana book. Out of all the ones I have read on Nirvana, this one had more info on the other members of the band and was not solely about Kurt. The last one I read was "Nirvana:The Biography" by Everett True. It was alright, but in the end I felt it was more about Kurt than Nirvana.

DiRtyFranK38

Mushmouthmatt wrote:

i've heard that AIC (along w/ STP) were hit or miss live. sometimes they would KILL, other times Layne would be so wasted on stage he couldn't sing. not sure if i'd want to see that.

wow really? i heard that about STP undortunatley, but not aic. from all the videos i've seen layne's voice was always amazing. but it is understandable, since he had quite the addiciton.

anyways, nirvana is a great band but i still feel that they are overrated. aic, soundgarden, stp, and ESPECIALLY pj are miles better. i also always thought kurt was a dick. great musician, great talent though.

pjoasisrule

WeaponX655321 wrote:

In my opinion, Come As You Are is the best Nirvana book. Out of all the ones I have read on Nirvana, this one had more info on the other members of the band and was not solely about Kurt. The last one I read was "Nirvana:The Biography" by Everett True. It was alright, but in the end I felt it was more about Kurt than Nirvana.

I am almost done and really like it as well, it really crams alot of information and seems like it is pretty truthful stuff. Some wild ass guys in that band, they do not get enough credit for that. Sure they didnt start a riot but they have destroyed so much stuff besides just the equipment.

Ledbetterman10

Give me a fucking break.....

Man who featured as baby on Nirvana’s Nevermind album cover sues the band - Lifestyle News (indiatoday.in)

Spencer Elden, whose baby portrait was used as the album cover for Nirvana's Nevermind, has sued the band claiming that he was sexually exploited as a child. The cover featured four-month-old Elden underwater trying to get hold of a dollar bill that’s hanging from a fishing rod.

“Defendants intentionally commercially marketed Spencer’s child pornography and leveraged the shocking nature of his image to promote themselves and their music at his expense,” lawsuit obtained by Variety read.

“Defendants used child pornography depicting Spencer as an essential element of a record promotion scheme commonly utilized in the music industry to get attention, wherein album covers posed children in a sexually provocative manner to gain notoriety, drive sales, and garner media attention, and critical reviews,” the lawsuit further reads.

Spencer, now 30, said he has suffered “lifelong damages” after he was featured as a baby on the album cover. He had to undergo “extreme and permanent emotional distress with physical manifestations”, loss of education, wages, and “enjoyment of life”.

The lawsuit further claims that the cover makes Spencer Elden resemble “a sex worker grabbing for a dollar bill”. The lawsuit also mentions that Spencer was not paid a penny to appear on the cover and that his parents never signed a release form for the portrait.

Spencer Elden is now asking for damages of at least USD 150,000 (Rs 1,11,35,895 approx.) from the 15 defendants. The defendants are yet to make a public statement or react to Spencer Elden’s claim.

Spencer had told Sunday Time in 2017 that he kind of finds it creepy that “many people have seen me naked. I feel like the world’s biggest porn star”.

The lawsuit has been filed in a California district court against Kurt Cobain’s widow Courtney Love and others.

Here he is recreating the cover many times over....

https://twitter.com/BadSpit/status/1430446905012666368?s=20

mickeyrat

oh please. he wouldnt have known it was him if he wasnt told.

until now I didnt know his name  and frankly I dont care to know it now.

mickeyrat

article updated in 2016 from the original in 92....

https://ew.com/article/2016/09/22/nirvana-nevermind-album-cover-behind-scenes/

Hobbes

Money grab.

Oh, the irony.

goldrush

This is by far the best response I’ve seen to this:

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/frog-from-silverchairs-debut-album-to-sue-rock-group-saying-he-never-agreed-to-be-stomped-on/

Frog From Silverchair’s Debut Album To Sue Rock Group Saying He Never Agreed To Be Stomped On

The frog that appeared on the cover art for Silverchair’s 1995 debut album ‘Frogstomp’ is taking the band to court over allegations he never agreed to be stomped during the shoot.

Kevin Rocheedy, a 30-year-old green frog who is now unemployed and living in the cistern of a Cessnock public toilet, told the court through his lawyer that Silverchair took advantage of him and because of that, has suffered and requires large financial compensation.

Even though frontman Daniel Johns was only 14-years-old and “70 kilos wringing wet”, Mr Rocheedy says it still hurt a great deal when Mr Johns repeatedly stomped on him during the photo sessions for the artwork.

According to court documents, the amphibian was tricked into posting for the photo by the record label, who assured him that no stomping would take place.

Mr Rocheedy alleges that the entire photoshoot was him being stomped on repeatedly by members of Silverchair and Matthew Johns (no relation to the defendant).

Management for Daniel Johns has been contacted for comment but The Advocatehas yet to receive a reply.

Mr Rocheedy was also unavailable for comment after being accidentally flushed down the toilet by a grey nomad.

More to come.

mickeyrat

nicknyr15

mickeyrat said:

Amazing 

facepollution

Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

mickeyrat

facepollution said:

Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......

facepollution

mickeyrat said:

facepollution said:

Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......

Yeah that's why I said I thought it was crass.

The dude wants compensating for his picture being used on a record that's sold over 30 million copies, and continues to generate massive amounts of money.  I can see why he thinks that making chump change for autographs at conventions pales in comparison to what is being made by the Nirvana estate.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I can understand that it must be frustrating to be famous for something that you had no say in, and having nothing much to show for it.

dudeman

People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

Oh wait. They kind of did that. 

facepollution

dudeman said:

People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

Oh wait. They kind of did that. 

I think you're probably right, by the time that record came out, the stars had aligned and its success was pretty much guaranteed.  However, this is the cover they chose, and by design it was made to be eye-catching and provocative - the baby chasing the dollar was meant to be a statement of sorts.  And so whilst the cover doesn't change the music or the cultural impact it made, it is inextricably tied to the phenomenon that is Nevermind.  

JH6056

facepollution said:

mickeyrat said:

facepollution said:

Whilst I think the manner in which he's going after the money is crass and very now, I do think there's something quite perverse about the whole situation.  It must be an odd situation to be famous for something like this, yet have absolutely no way of making money out of it - and in fairness, none of us are in the position of saying how we would feel because it's such a unique situation.  

The fact is that the Nirvana estate are raking millions in year after year -  you only have to look at all the high street companies selling smiley face t shirts etc to see that Nirvana are still a big business.  So to have someone so specifically linked to it not be financially rewarded seems a bit messed up.  Is the guy just supposed to feel lucky that he was that kid? 

look, you cant seek to profit independently(pics and autographs at conventions), put yourself out there as the nirvana baby and then claim you are damaged.

dude is scheduled for such convention for next year......

Yeah that's why I said I thought it was crass.

The dude wants compensating for his picture being used on a record that's sold over 30 million copies, and continues to generate massive amounts of money.  I can see why he thinks that making chump change for autographs at conventions pales in comparison to what is being made by the Nirvana estate.  I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I can understand that it must be frustrating to be famous for something that you had no say in, and having nothing much to show for it.

You're ignoring or not paying attention to a key element in this whole situation: TIMING.  When this guy's parents were PAID (maybe only $100 bucks, not sure the amount) to do this, Nirvana was NOT a household name by a longshot.  NO ONE knew where this was going to go, and they probably figured "Hey, we'll get $100 bucks out of it and no one will know it's our particular kid if we don't want them to as he gets older".

When you make an agreement to do something, as long as both sides fulfill their obligations, the situation is over. Done.  His parents got what they were told they'd get for him being in the picture.

The fact that this album and this cover went on to represent a damn GENERATION and a whole movement of music is both cool, and daunting, and crazy, and yes very lucrative for those with rights to the album art.  But nothing about that says "injustice", and for this guy to sue AFTER putting HIMSELF out there as "The baby on the Nevermind cover" for money, honestly the Nirvana estate should sue him back for attorney's fees for wasting their time.  It's ridiculous, and while I absolutely understand WHY he wants more money, he simply doesn't have a right to it nor is it "unjust" that he didn't make a forture.

All over the world there are people who got paid for art for album covers that never went anywhere, so getting paid at the time was a good deal.  This is one of the few that exploded, so it goes... lucky for whoever owns the rights and all the merch made from it.

JH6056

dudeman said:

People would have bought that album regardless of who or what was on the cover. The music, band and the way it was pushed to commercial success by MTV and the mass acceptance of Seattle culture are the reasons for the tremendous popularity and album sales. 

The kid on the cover is absolutely irrelevant. Nirvana could have photographed a steaming pile of shit and put that on the cover. 

Oh wait. They kind of did that. 

Good point, by the time the video for Smells Like Teen Spirit was a thing, they could have just had a paper bag over a blank album cover with only "Nirvana - Nevermind" on it and it would have sold insane amounts.  No one can say it was the cover that made the difference, I was a music fan at the time who, while I liked punk, I didn't like "loud screetchy music" or the music with lots of "quiet then loud than deafening then quiet then loud, rinse, repeat" songs.  A friend in school lent me Nevermind and said "Check it out" before SmellsLTS was even a radio hit, and I played SMLS over... and over... and over.... jumping around my room like Nirvana fans would go on to jump around at shows.

I called it a "primal reaction" and it was, and it was what made them that freakin' amazing, recorded and live (but especially live!)

So the cover... well, whatever, nevermind.