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PJPOWER said:Not much talk on immigration lately, but saw this on my news feed:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/09/16/thousands-of-haitian-migrants-are-waiting-in-texas---heres-how-many-tried-to-enter-the-us-in-the-last-year/Why does Biden hate black people?
https://thehill.com/latino/572588-advocates-in-utter-disbelief-after-biden-resumes-haitian-repatriations
Or is this just another one of those “fake immigration issues”?
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HughFreakingDillon said:PJPOWER said:Not much talk on immigration lately, but saw this on my news feed:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/09/16/thousands-of-haitian-migrants-are-waiting-in-texas---heres-how-many-tried-to-enter-the-us-in-the-last-year/Why does Biden hate black people?
https://thehill.com/latino/572588-advocates-in-utter-disbelief-after-biden-resumes-haitian-repatriations
Or is this just another one of those “fake immigration issues”?
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So is it that important to see videos of the streaming immigrants? It hasn’t been different in the past 30 years we all know lots of Latin Americans will be seeking a better life here! Everyone knows it they have shit living conditions from Mexico all the way down to Chile so what’s the answer a giant wall? Not sure what the answer is to appease Americans that want the influx to stop..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:So is it that important to see videos of the streaming immigrants? It hasn’t been different in the past 30 years we all know lots of Latin Americans will be seeking a better life here! Everyone knows it they have shit living conditions from Mexico all the way down to Chile so what’s the answer a giant wall? Not sure what the answer is to appease Americans that want the influx to stop..0
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Biden’s on it…but I thought “send them back” was inhumane?
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/biden-administration-sends-more-agents-to-crowded-texas-border-crossing-11631988140
“The Biden administration said it is sending additional border agents to a South Texas town where thousands of Haitian migrants are being held under a bridge, as officials prepared to begin flying them back to their home country under a public-health policy allowing for rapid expulsions.”
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Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.
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Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.0 -
mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.0 -
mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.
As for AOC and her remarks, seems she wasn’t too far off the mark, according to people who study this stuff. Knowing what we know both pre and post POOTWH, what’s different?
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And separating children from their parent(s) was a “condition” of the detention centers under POOTWH. Don’t pretend it wasn’t and was just “policy.”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:And separating children from their parent(s) was a “condition” of the detention centers under POOTWH. Don’t pretend it wasn’t and was just “policy.”
the separation was the grabbing headline, the conditions was to keep them reading and subsequently outraged.
I personally think it would be good to know what the conditions are like now. Why is MSM not reporting on that at all anymore? It's almost as if a lot of them only report these things when the "bad guy" does it.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:And separating children from their parent(s) was a “condition” of the detention centers under POOTWH. Don’t pretend it wasn’t and was just “policy.”
the separation was the grabbing headline, the conditions was to keep them reading and subsequently outraged.
I personally think it would be good to know what the conditions are like now. Why is MSM not reporting on that at all anymore? It's almost as if a lot of them only report these things when the "bad guy" does it.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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And, the Biden Administration sent additional resources to facilitate review screenings and began deporting Haitians today, I believe. Until the repubs can show otherwise, within the confines of existing law. I’m also assuming without separating children from their parent(s).09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.
As for AOC and her remarks, seems she wasn’t too far off the mark, according to people who study this stuff. Knowing what we know both pre and post POOTWH, what’s different?
Hey, but I’m not the smartest 24/7.And AOC was ridiculous. She’s way off. Anyone who thinks conditions of detainment centers are like those of the Holocaust needs to take a world history class again and learn what those victims suffered through. I’m sure they would have traded those gas chambers for those standard jail style sink-toilets any day.0 -
mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.
As for AOC and her remarks, seems she wasn’t too far off the mark, according to people who study this stuff. Knowing what we know both pre and post POOTWH, what’s different?
Hey, but I’m not the smartest 24/7.And AOC was ridiculous. She’s way off. Anyone who thinks conditions of detainment centers are like those of the Holocaust needs to take a world history class again and learn what those victims suffered through. I’m sure they would have traded those gas chambers for those standard jail style sink-toilets any day.
Does this historian need to take a world history class again? Maybe you could point out some comparisons between “concentration camp” and “detention centers or camps” throughout US history?
https://www.vox.com/first-person/2019/6/20/18693058/aoc-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camps-immigration-border
Here’s some analysis from both sides of opinion:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/jun/20/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-compared-migrant-camps-co/
And here’s a piece on the snowflakery of the cons:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/defense-ocasio-cortez-concentration-camp-comment/592180/
“Probably” now passes for reality, probably.
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This mother of a Capitol rioter needs a world history lesson, probably.
One read aloud a letter from a “concerned mother” of a man who’s been denied bail despite a nonviolent offense and, the writer said, has been suffering in prison. “He’s lost his job, lost friends, and is in the process of losing his home. He’s been denied visits from family. His jailers treat these men like scum … I just wanted to let your organization know of the terrible conditions these brave men are being subjected to. Even death-row inmates get haircuts and are allowed to shave. This reminds me of how the Jewish people were treated by the Nazis.” (From the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum website: “The Holocaust was the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its allies and collaborators.”)
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I don’t see it as a huge leap to understand there are more immigrants in facilities now than a year ago, so yeah I predict they are more crowded. I haven’t seen any claims of improvements or changes that got so many so riled up a year ago. I don’t understand why that’s difficult to predict? I guess we’ll just disagree and you can believe they are fancy resorts now.
Your articles, at least the ones I read, point out the difference between death and concentration camps. So sure, I’ll give you that they can be called a concentration camp under the technical sense. But the common use of that phrase is in comparison to Nazi germany and the death camps. And someone like AOC making false claims about being forced to drink from the toilet and calling it a concentration camp, I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was strictly speaking in a technical sense. The fact is they were outraged a year ago about chain link fences, the plumbing, the foil blankets, crowded conditions, etc.. And for some reason that all became okay in January. No more outrage over that. No more calling it a concentration camp. And with higher numbers and no press allowed to cover it too.0 -
mace1229 said:I don’t see it as a huge leap to understand there are more immigrants in facilities now than a year ago, so yeah I predict they are more crowded. I haven’t seen any claims of improvements or changes that got so many so riled up a year ago. I don’t understand why that’s difficult to predict? I guess we’ll just disagree and you can believe they are fancy resorts now.
Your articles, at least the ones I read, point out the difference between death and concentration camps. So sure, I’ll give you that they can be called a concentration camp under the technical sense. But the common use of that phrase is in comparison to Nazi germany and the death camps. And someone like AOC making false claims about being forced to drink from the toilet and calling it a concentration camp, I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was strictly speaking in a technical sense. The fact is they were outraged a year ago about chain link fences, the plumbing, the foil blankets, crowded conditions, etc.. And for some reason that all became okay in January. No more outrage over that. No more calling it a concentration camp. And with higher numbers and no press allowed to cover it too.
Do you think it was purposeful defunding of detention centers, closings (to fund the wall) and internal policy changes implemented by POOTWH’s Administration to treat people like shit, more akin to “concentration camps,” (separating children from their parent(s), lack of or slow walking due process, held without hearings, reductions in immigration judges, and purposefully denying food, medical care, running water) in violation of court ordered agreement and law? Do you not see the difference? Dems had to go to court to gain access to the facilities because word was out about conditions and POOTWH fired his head of DHS when she publicly admitted they were failing and gave the reasons why.
You haven’t seen or heard of any changes since 2018-19? Biden ended separating kids within 30 days of taking office. Probably doesn’t count though, right?
Did you read the CRS Report I linked? Probably not. It describes what the POOTWH Administration did and what changes they made. Changes that were detrimental and created the mess to begin with.Typical Con tactic now, create a crisis and then scream how it’s everyone else’s fault. How long did we hear about the crisis of the caravans? What did POOTWH do to prepare for them? Nothing, that’s what.
But because Biden is POTUS, it’s probably worse. Same-same, unless you think POOTWH was outstanding on the immigration issue?AND LETS NOT FORGET THE FORCED HYSTERECTOMIES AT A PRIVATE DETENTION CENTER IN GEORGIA NOR THE PHYSICAL ABUSE RAMPANT AT A SHERIFF’s DEPARTMENT DETENTION CENTER IN MASSACHUSETTS. Both of which have been reportedly closed since Biden took office.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Video of situation at Del Rio Texas right now.Wow. That's a lot of people. I applaud WCK for their help.
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Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:I don’t see it as a huge leap to understand there are more immigrants in facilities now than a year ago, so yeah I predict they are more crowded. I haven’t seen any claims of improvements or changes that got so many so riled up a year ago. I don’t understand why that’s difficult to predict? I guess we’ll just disagree and you can believe they are fancy resorts now.
Your articles, at least the ones I read, point out the difference between death and concentration camps. So sure, I’ll give you that they can be called a concentration camp under the technical sense. But the common use of that phrase is in comparison to Nazi germany and the death camps. And someone like AOC making false claims about being forced to drink from the toilet and calling it a concentration camp, I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was strictly speaking in a technical sense. The fact is they were outraged a year ago about chain link fences, the plumbing, the foil blankets, crowded conditions, etc.. And for some reason that all became okay in January. No more outrage over that. No more calling it a concentration camp. And with higher numbers and no press allowed to cover it too.
Do you think it was purposeful defunding of detention centers, closings (to fund the wall) and internal policy changes implemented by POOTWH’s Administration to treat people like shit, more akin to “concentration camps,” (separating children from their parent(s), lack of or slow walking due process, held without hearings, reductions in immigration judges, and purposefully denying food, medical care, running water) in violation of court ordered agreement and law? Do you not see the difference? Dems had to go to court to gain access to the facilities because word was out about conditions and POOTWH fired his head of DHS when she publicly admitted they were failing and gave the reasons why.
You haven’t seen or heard of any changes since 2018-19? Biden ended separating kids within 30 days of taking office. Probably doesn’t count though, right?
Did you read the CRS Report I linked? Probably not. It describes what the POOTWH Administration did and what changes they made. Changes that were detrimental and created the mess to begin with.Typical Con tactic now, create a crisis and then scream how it’s everyone else’s fault. How long did we hear about the crisis of the caravans? What did POOTWH do to prepare for them? Nothing, that’s what.
But because Biden is POTUS, it’s probably worse. Same-same, unless you think POOTWH was outstanding on the immigration issue?AND LETS NOT FORGET THE FORCED HYSTERECTOMIES AT A PRIVATE DETENTION CENTER IN GEORGIA NOR THE PHYSICAL ABUSE RAMPANT AT A SHERIFF’s DEPARTMENT DETENTION CENTER IN MASSACHUSETTS. Both of which have been reportedly closed since Biden took office.
Also my comment wasn't about Trump vs Biden. It was about how we heard so much criticism about the horrible conditions. And now the press is restricted on what they can even see and those same people don't seem as upset. Again, I'm not debating Trump vs Biden. Just pointing out the change in attitude from some people. Where's AOC saying they're drinking out of toilets? Where's people saying they're locked up in cages like animals again? I'm pretty sure the plumbing hasn't changed and they still use chain link.0 -
US Department of State’s annual report to Congress on the plan for the next fiscal year’s refugee settlement program if you’re interested.
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Proposed-Refugee-Admissions-for-FY22-Report-to-Congress.pdf
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except more are being turned back immediately than allowed entry
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Haiti can't catch a break...
I am surprised that they are coming through Mexico. Why not to Florida. Isn't that closer?0 -
tempo_n_groove said:Haiti can't catch a break...
I am surprised that they are coming through Mexico. Why not to Florida. Isn't that closer?
those are primarily Haitians who left long ago. Most articles say after 2010 earthquake. Down into S America. Coming up through C America
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The buck stops at Joe. What a mess…:
https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-haitian-migrants-swimming-into-mexico-avoid-deported-us-authorities-2021-9Whips, Sleepy Joe pushing to continue Trump’s “Title 42” expulsions…WTF!
Whips being used on black people by federal customs authorities cannot be good for the approval ratings, so no wonder they are trying to keep the media awayUS Customs and Border Patrol agents were photographed using whips to prevent Haitian migrants from joining the other Haitian migrants in Del Rio, Texas.
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mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:Haiti can't catch a break...
I am surprised that they are coming through Mexico. Why not to Florida. Isn't that closer?
those are primarily Haitians who left long ago. Most articles say after 2010 earthquake. Down into S America. Coming up through C America
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mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Biden’s and the Dems’ immigration policy.
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
POOTWH’s and repubs’? “We’ll protect our whiteness.”
https://sgp.fas.org/crs/homesec/R45266.pdf
But you know, it’s probably worse.
As for AOC and her remarks, seems she wasn’t too far off the mark, according to people who study this stuff. Knowing what we know both pre and post POOTWH, what’s different?
Hey, but I’m not the smartest 24/7.And AOC was ridiculous. She’s way off. Anyone who thinks conditions of detainment centers are like those of the Holocaust needs to take a world history class again and learn what those victims suffered through. I’m sure they would have traded those gas chambers for those standard jail style sink-toilets any day.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
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