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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,144
    tbergs said:
    i thought biden gave a good speech today. 

    republicans criticized him for reading off of a teleprompter and for talking too loud.

    for fucks sakes. if he calmly read it, they would say he was sleepy joe.
    Yeah, but did he sniff or use 2 hands to take a drink of water? People would lose their shit if Don...er Joe, did that.

    Look, Biden isn't the best, but at least he isn't an unhinged ego maniac spewing made up bullshit about how great he is on a daily basis. If sleepy Joe is as bad as it gets, I'll gladly take it any day over coked out Donny diapers. 
    no shit....here is what Biden didn't do....he DIDN'T blame the Generals, he DIDN'T throw anyone on his staff under the bus, he DIDN'T blame the intelligence community, etc.

    That is refreshing.
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  • tbergs said:
    i thought biden gave a good speech today. 

    republicans criticized him for reading off of a teleprompter and for talking too loud.

    for fucks sakes. if he calmly read it, they would say he was sleepy joe.
    Yeah, but did he sniff or use 2 hands to take a drink of water? People would lose their shit if Don...er Joe, did that.

    Look, Biden isn't the best, but at least he isn't an unhinged ego maniac spewing made up bullshit about how great he is on a daily basis. If sleepy Joe is as bad as it gets, I'll gladly take it any day over coked out Donny diapers. 
    no shit....here is what Biden didn't do....he DIDN'T blame the Generals, he DIDN'T throw anyone on his staff under the bus, he DIDN'T blame the intelligence community, etc.

    That is refreshing.
    He didn't send incessant tweets...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,010
    tbergs said:
    i thought biden gave a good speech today. 

    republicans criticized him for reading off of a teleprompter and for talking too loud.

    for fucks sakes. if he calmly read it, they would say he was sleepy joe.
    Yeah, but did he sniff or use 2 hands to take a drink of water? People would lose their shit if Don...er Joe, did that.

    Look, Biden isn't the best, but at least he isn't an unhinged ego maniac spewing made up bullshit about how great he is on a daily basis. If sleepy Joe is as bad as it gets, I'll gladly take it any day over coked out Donny diapers. 
    no shit....here is what Biden didn't do....he DIDN'T blame the Generals, he DIDN'T throw anyone on his staff under the bus, he DIDN'T blame the intelligence community, etc.

    That is refreshing.
    He didn't send incessant tweets...
    imagine the ridiculous tweeting if the former guy could still tweet.
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  • Bentleyspop
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    tbergs said:
    i thought biden gave a good speech today. 

    republicans criticized him for reading off of a teleprompter and for talking too loud.

    for fucks sakes. if he calmly read it, they would say he was sleepy joe.
    Yeah, but did he sniff or use 2 hands to take a drink of water? People would lose their shit if Don...er Joe, did that.

    Look, Biden isn't the best, but at least he isn't an unhinged ego maniac spewing made up bullshit about how great he is on a daily basis. If sleepy Joe is as bad as it gets, I'll gladly take it any day over coked out Donny diapers. 
    no shit....here is what Biden didn't do....he DIDN'T blame the Generals, he DIDN'T throw anyone on his staff under the bus, he DIDN'T blame the intelligence community, etc.

    That is refreshing.
    So what you're saying is that he acted....

    Like an adult
    Like a mature person
    Like a responsible person
    Like a president 
  • tbergs said:
    i thought biden gave a good speech today. 

    republicans criticized him for reading off of a teleprompter and for talking too loud.

    for fucks sakes. if he calmly read it, they would say he was sleepy joe.
    Yeah, but did he sniff or use 2 hands to take a drink of water? People would lose their shit if Don...er Joe, did that.

    Look, Biden isn't the best, but at least he isn't an unhinged ego maniac spewing made up bullshit about how great he is on a daily basis. If sleepy Joe is as bad as it gets, I'll gladly take it any day over coked out Donny diapers. 
    no shit....here is what Biden didn't do....he DIDN'T blame the Generals, he DIDN'T throw anyone on his staff under the bus, he DIDN'T blame the intelligence community, etc.

    That is refreshing.
    Yup that is refreshing.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mickeyrat
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    Milley: US coordination with Taliban on strikes 'possible'
    By ROBERT BURNS and LOLITA C. BALDOR
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Wednesday that it's “possible” the United States will seek to coordinate with the Taliban on counterterrorism strikes in Afghanistan against Islamic State militants or others.

    Milley did not elaborate, and his comment did not appear to suggest immediate plans to work with the Taliban.

    U.S. military commanders coordinated daily with Taliban commanders outside the Kabul airport over the past three weeks to facilitate the evacuation of more than 124,000 people. But that was a matter of convenience for both parties and not necessarily a sign that they will pursue, or even want, a regular relationship in the future.

    The U.S. military ousted the Taliban from power in the fall of 2001 and fought against them for the 19 years that followed.

    The extent and nature of a U.S.-Taliban relationship, now that the war is over, is one of the key issues to be worked out. The U.S. diplomatic presence in Kabul has been moved to Doha, Qatar. President Joe Biden has noted several times recently that the Taliban are avowed enemies of the Islamic State group in Afghanistan, suggesting a shared interest with the United States.

    President Joe Biden is defending his handling of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, including the frantic final evacuation from Kabul airport. (Aug. 31)

    At a Pentagon news conference with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Milley called the Taliban “ruthless” adding, “Whether or not they change remains to be seen.” He suggested that the recent cooperative arrangement with the Taliban at Kabul airport was not necessarily a model for the future.

    “In war you do what you must in order to reduce risk to mission and force, not what you necessarily want to do,” Milley said.

    Biden has promised further targeting of the IS group in Afghanistan in response to the IS suicide bombing last week at a Kabul airport gate that killed scores of Afghans and 13 American service members. On Saturday the U.S. military carried out a drone strike in Afghanistan that it said killed two IS planners. On Tuesday, Biden said, “To ISIS-K: We are not done with you yet,” referring to the IS group.

    Targeting Islamic State militants or other extremist groups, such as al-Qaida, will be more difficult with no U.S. military forces on the ground and no friendly government forces with which to share intelligence on extremist networks. But the Biden administration asserts that it can contain these groups by monitoring and potentially striking with assets based elsewhere in the region.

    Although the Taliban oppose IS, it's far from clear that they will be inclined to work with the U.S. military or the Central Intelligence Agency now that they have regained power in Kabul. Milley has recent experience with Taliban leaders; twice last year, most recently in December, he met face-to-face with them in an attempt to slow their attacks on the U.S.-backed Afghan government, which collapsed in mid-August, triggering the frantic U.S.-led evacuation.

    Austin sounded at least as skeptical as Milley regarding the possibility that the coordination in recent days at the Kabul airport suggests a future relationship with the Taliban.

    “I would not make any leaps of logic to broader issues,” said Austin.


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  • So I heard on the news today that Afghanistan is going to be having a food shortage and that if money/food/aid isn't given to them immediately then millions could suffer.

    Part of me says let the Taliban figure this out since they want control.

    The other part of me says give them the humanitarian aid they need but I would guess that most of Afghanistan would have no clue where the aid came from.

    What the hell do you do in this situation?
  • mickeyrat
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    let china and russia feed them.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?
  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.
  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
    Since 2001!
  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
    Since 2001!

    $275,178,866.26 per day in Afghanistan from Oct 7 2001 to Aug 31 2021
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
    Since 2001!

    $275,178,866.26 per day in Afghanistan from Oct 7 2001 to Aug 31 2021
    JHC. Ridiculous.  How much good could we have done for our people and around the world.  
  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
    Since 2001!

    $275,178,866.26 per day in Afghanistan from Oct 7 2001 to Aug 31 2021
    275Mil a day?  Is that number right?

    Googles it...

    Answer: Estimated 2 trillion spent over 20 years.  I did straight 2 tril and am just shy of the 275mil a day...

    Sub answer: Brown university did a study on this and they think we spent, get this, a staggering 5.8tril.  That would bump the daily to 794mil a day.

    What is our defense budget at?

    Googles it...

    Answer: 725Billion a year  So every 7 years we have spent our TOTAL defense budget on Afghanistan alone.  If I did the number crunching right.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,308
    edited September 2021
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    let china and russia feed them.
    Wasn't that the point though?  To stop their presence from spreading there?

    no. the point was to kill bin laden , waste a shit ton of money and end up right where we started.
    Interesting that we overstayed that since he was killed in 2009.

    2011.

    dont forget the waste a bunch of money part. that takes a while.
    Since 2001!

    $275,178,866.26 per day in Afghanistan from Oct 7 2001 to Aug 31 2021
    275Mil a day?  Is that number right?

    Googles it...

    Answer: Estimated 2 trillion spent over 20 years.  I did straight 2 tril and am just shy of the 275mil a day...

    Sub answer: Brown university did a study on this and they think we spent, get this, a staggering 5.8tril.  That would bump the daily to 794mil a day.

    What is our defense budget at?

    Googles it...

    Answer: 725Billion a year  So every 7 years we have spent our TOTAL defense budget on Afghanistan alone.  If I did the number crunching right.

    do the math on 19yr 10mo 3wk 2 days.

    by my count thats 7268 days 

    the kick in balls is that was borrowed money...
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