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F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.0 -
mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.Fair enough. Guess I would be bummed if USC was in the Rose Bowl and key players dropped, because winning the Rose Bowl means something. I would understand but would be bummed. Could spin it to be an opportunity for key back ups to not only get a jump on the next season with the extra month of practice as 1st team but also to have national exposure.Either way, I am at the point in my life where I care more about the kids then the uni. Pay them, pay them appropriately, and then I can get back to rooting for the name of the front of the jersey.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.Fair enough. Guess I would be bummed if USC was in the Rose Bowl and key players dropped, because winning the Rose Bowl means something. I would understand but would be bummed. Could spin it to be an opportunity for key back ups to not only get a jump on the next season with the extra month of practice as 1st team but also to have national exposure.Either way, I am at the point in my life where I care more about the kids then the uni. Pay them, pay them appropriately, and then I can get back to rooting for the name of the front of the jersey.0 -
F Me In The Brain said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
Bama was one of those juggernaut teams this year. Nick Saban is the best college FB coach because of the teams he can construct. I thought Clemson had a chance this year but they fell way short. OSU too.The only better run would have been to beat Bama in the semi. We will never know but I don't think that happens. Oklahoma lost at home to garbage K State and lost a nail biter on the road to a very good Iowa State squad.A&M was already blown out once this year by Bama. Game was toast by half.
This just shows that more teams need to be in the playoffs and how far and above head and shoulders Bama continues to be and a team like ND, as good as someone may think of them, are just not up to snuff.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:F Me In The Brain said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
Bama was one of those juggernaut teams this year. Nick Saban is the best college FB coach because of the teams he can construct. I thought Clemson had a chance this year but they fell way short. OSU too.The only better run would have been to beat Bama in the semi. We will never know but I don't think that happens. Oklahoma lost at home to garbage K State and lost a nail biter on the road to a very good Iowa State squad.A&M was already blown out once this year by Bama. Game was toast by half.
This just shows that more teams need to be in the playoffs and how far and above head and shoulders Bama continues to be and a team like ND, as good as someone may think of them, are just not up to snuff.
I don't care who is 2-19.
If others do, I can see their desire to push for a larger playoff pool. It certainly would be exciting, I don't argue that.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
F Me In The Brain said:tempo_n_groove said:F Me In The Brain said:tempo_n_groove said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
Bama was one of those juggernaut teams this year. Nick Saban is the best college FB coach because of the teams he can construct. I thought Clemson had a chance this year but they fell way short. OSU too.The only better run would have been to beat Bama in the semi. We will never know but I don't think that happens. Oklahoma lost at home to garbage K State and lost a nail biter on the road to a very good Iowa State squad.A&M was already blown out once this year by Bama. Game was toast by half.
This just shows that more teams need to be in the playoffs and how far and above head and shoulders Bama continues to be and a team like ND, as good as someone may think of them, are just not up to snuff.
I don't care who is 2-19.
If others do, I can see their desire to push for a larger playoff pool. It certainly would be exciting, I don't argue that.
An 8th seed could get hot and make a run. If anything it would make for a good viewing experience.
I will agree that there isn't much discrepancy this year for 2-19.0 -
mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.
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mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.0 -
mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.
I ask, because I think the prevailing thought around calling players dumb for opting out and for asking them to give back their scholarship is that they owe the school the playing of an add on game to the season.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
tempo_n_groove said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.0 -
mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.
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F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.
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Thank FSM. There may really be a hope.
Pac12 fires that fucking idiot Larry Scott.
That paid that waste of space $40MM over last 12 years.
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F Me In The Brain said:mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:F Me In The Brain said:mrussel1 said:darwinstheory said:F Me In The Brain said:So do the same people here who said ND didn't belong and was garbage because they got rolled by Alabama say the same thing about an Ohio State squad that got rolled in even more spectacular fashion?
Gave up more points, was behind by more at half, was behind by more at the end?
I'm not arguing for ND, I hate them. I'm continuing to position that judging a team by how they get trashed at the hands of Alabama this year is really not right.
Ohio State looked like the second best team....until they got demolished by Bama. Ohio State belonged in that game, Bama was just far and away the best team in the country.
Dammit. Was very impressive, though.
I'm not even suggesting ND is better than OSU, but who else, based on a seasons body of work should have been in over Notre Dame? Dislike them as you may, they were a consensus top 4 team this season. Bama was far and away the best team this season. And it wasn't even close. Then, I would say OSU and Clemson. After that, it's probably a cluster of about 5 teams of which Notre Dame had the best resume.
I'm looking forward to a banter filled season with you this fall. I suspect the Clay Helton led pony riders will become more of a force to be reckoned with and ND will be somewhere in the top 12-20.
Regarding Bama, this was a super elite team. The Buckeyes were also very short handed with the loss of two starting defensive lineman, starting rb, all American tackle, etc. Not saying they would have beat Bama but it would have helped.Bama lost players as well...much of the game w/o their safety. (Felt badly for the kid but that was an ejection based on the rules. He handled it with as much grace as one could...lucky nobody was hurt.) They also went the whole second half without the guy that nobody in America could cover.But I would say that Ohio State was a very good team -- and the #2 team based on what we saw, clearly. No shame in getting tossed around by the bully, which is for certain who Bama was this season.Arguing over #4 is part of the fun of college football. Always has been some level of argument....1, 2, 3, 4, etc...but at least this way we all are on the same page as to the #1. I think the system works, overall, if that is the goal. (Which it should be, to me.)We are on different sides for that, but I would enjoy watching as a fan. Let every conference Champ get in and then slug it out...would be interesting.That being stated, lots of players would still bail on the bowls.There is a simple reality, to me, involved with the top tier college football athlete. (I won't embarrass them by calling them student athletes.)They are in college for one reason -- to get to the NFL and draw that contract. Even if it is only a few years this will still position them well for life. They will not have school debt, they will have access to some classes, and hopefully 3/4 of an education....BUT their main goal is to get to the NFL.With that being stated, if they feel like there is enough tape out there to get them drafted where they can fulfill that goal then they have one thing that (to me) is the smart move -- opt out of any bowl game (aggrandized money / glory grab for their school/slave driver) and prepare for the draft.Looking out for their best interests, all around, I would encourage them to wrap up the schooling in their off-season or to set aside whatever money is needed to complete and lock that down. If/when they finish the average NFL 3-4 year NFL career they will need to have that degree and the connections they maintained with the school network to get a good job.There is a way to use the NCAA bs rules to try and create a win-win, but the ultimate goal for anyone going to college should be to set them up for a financially successful life....not to play in bowl games as Juniors of Seniors in college.My two cents, others may have different opinions. Until the NCAA starts paying the football players I do not think they owe them anything other than what it takes to get these kids drafted.
I ask, because I think the prevailing thought around calling players dumb for opting out and for asking them to give back their scholarship is that they owe the school the playing of an add on game to the season.
I didn't call the players dumb, the idea of opting out I think is dumb. I don't agree with the idea that the bowl game is meaningless so they should opt out. If that is the case, any school that is not in contention of the play offs would be in a meaningless game all season. The majority of teams don't have a chance to be in the play offs or will not win conference titles, so the bowl game is their biggest game. I don't see that game as different or meaningless as any of the other games they play all season when they are a .500 team and no expectation of making the playoffs. So why is the risk of inuring greater in this one game than the other dozen they play in, and worth opting out over? Why not start opting out after you've lost your 4th game of the season?
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This is something I don't get about Notre Dame and the way they get free blow jobs from the group of Criminals known as the NCAA.....
There is a select group of four reps looking at format changes/suggestions.
Three of them head conferences.
One is the chief fuckstick at ND.
They reference the folks needing convincing in the ultimate decision....they are all leaders of conferences and then Jack Shitbuck, the AD at Notre Dame.
I am a college football fan. I am a USC alum. Clearly I respect Notre Dame and know that college football is better when ND is good.
However....to continue to offer them an equal seat at the table, like they are their own conference (they even have their own football TV deal), is a fucking joke.
Not shocking, since the NCAA is a joke, but it really needs to change. Join a conference or remain independent and take what decisions are made. No way they should be an equal voice to conference heads and ever get to be on a small committee like that.
(Also, not sure if it is still the case but ND was a part of the committee that determined penalties for other schools, as well.)Post edited by F Me In The Brain onThe love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.0
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lmckenney24 said:Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.0
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pjhawks said:lmckenney24 said:Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
I am not opposed to the NIL as much as I am the others you mentioned. The free agent aspect and the super conferences are complete bullshit if that's where this is heading, which it clearly is.0 -
pjhawks said:lmckenney24 said:Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.0
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mrussel1 said:pjhawks said:lmckenney24 said:Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+.
Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
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