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  • Jumb0
    Jumb0 Posts: 910
    LOL, A&M doesn't have sole veto power on another school joining the SEC
  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    Jumb0 said:
    LOL, A&M doesn't have sole veto power on another school joining the SEC
    I would agree, which is why I found the article bullshit. I didn't realize until after I went to find it that it was a handshake deal. Money talks, no one is blocking this shit. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    edited July 2021
    lmckenney24 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
    they are gone.  gonna end up being a lot of fallout with other moves now.  college sports is now a full fledged disaster scene between humongous conferences, free agency with no sitting out and NIL money now.  
    This is interesting.  Will the state of OK and TX allow their flagship schools to join a difference conference while OSU, A&M, and the other publics schools are twisting in the wind?  During the big realignment several years ago, the deal in VA was that Tech and UVA go together.  The state would not sign off on one without the other. 
    A&M is already in the SEC.

    I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+. 

    Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
    oh yeah, duh.  I know TCU and Baylor are private.  What about Tech?  I'm pretty sure UT was happy to stay out of the SEC because it wanted the Longhorn network.  Maybe that is failing?  What's the story on the Cowpokes?
  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    mrussel1 said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
    they are gone.  gonna end up being a lot of fallout with other moves now.  college sports is now a full fledged disaster scene between humongous conferences, free agency with no sitting out and NIL money now.  
    This is interesting.  Will the state of OK and TX allow their flagship schools to join a difference conference while OSU, A&M, and the other publics schools are twisting in the wind?  During the big realignment several years ago, the deal in VA was that Tech and UVA go together.  The state would not sign off on one without the other. 
    A&M is already in the SEC.

    I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+. 

    Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
    oh yeah, duh.  I know TCU and Baylor are private.  What about Tech?  I'm pretty sure UT was happy to stay out of the SEC because it wanted the Longhorn network.  Maybe that is failing?  What's the story on the Cowpokes?
    I am sure Longhorn Network is doing fine and will be easily gobbled up by the SEC network. UT & OU have huge buyouts (like $75-80M) if they leave. I am sure Texas is smart enough to offset that with whatever they work out with SEC Network. 


  • Jumb0
    Jumb0 Posts: 910
    mrussel1 said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
    they are gone.  gonna end up being a lot of fallout with other moves now.  college sports is now a full fledged disaster scene between humongous conferences, free agency with no sitting out and NIL money now.  
    This is interesting.  Will the state of OK and TX allow their flagship schools to join a difference conference while OSU, A&M, and the other publics schools are twisting in the wind?  During the big realignment several years ago, the deal in VA was that Tech and UVA go together.  The state would not sign off on one without the other. 
    A&M is already in the SEC.

    I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+. 

    Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
    oh yeah, duh.  I know TCU and Baylor are private.  What about Tech?  I'm pretty sure UT was happy to stay out of the SEC because it wanted the Longhorn network.  Maybe that is failing?  What's the story on the Cowpokes?

    Longhorn Network is probably doing "ok" within Texas, but joining the premier conference and getting a slice of the SEC network revenue is no doubt a lot more than the LHN is brining in
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Jumb0 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
    they are gone.  gonna end up being a lot of fallout with other moves now.  college sports is now a full fledged disaster scene between humongous conferences, free agency with no sitting out and NIL money now.  
    This is interesting.  Will the state of OK and TX allow their flagship schools to join a difference conference while OSU, A&M, and the other publics schools are twisting in the wind?  During the big realignment several years ago, the deal in VA was that Tech and UVA go together.  The state would not sign off on one without the other. 
    A&M is already in the SEC.

    I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+. 

    Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
    oh yeah, duh.  I know TCU and Baylor are private.  What about Tech?  I'm pretty sure UT was happy to stay out of the SEC because it wanted the Longhorn network.  Maybe that is failing?  What's the story on the Cowpokes?

    Longhorn Network is probably doing "ok" within Texas, but joining the premier conference and getting a slice of the SEC network revenue is no doubt a lot more than the LHN is brining in
    I couldn't find much, but hte most recent numbers I saw said that it lost 48 million in its first 5 years.  That probably doesn't hurt UT much, but it hurts ESPN.  I don't think they renew the deal.  I think it's been a bust. 
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,343
    mrussel1 said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    Not sure how accurate the reports are, but apparently Texas and Oklahoma are making a push to join the SEC. Could have a massive ripple effect if true.
    they are gone.  gonna end up being a lot of fallout with other moves now.  college sports is now a full fledged disaster scene between humongous conferences, free agency with no sitting out and NIL money now.  
    This is interesting.  Will the state of OK and TX allow their flagship schools to join a difference conference while OSU, A&M, and the other publics schools are twisting in the wind?  During the big realignment several years ago, the deal in VA was that Tech and UVA go together.  The state would not sign off on one without the other. 
    A&M is already in the SEC.

    I read somewhere that Texas A&M had veto rights with the SEC to accept any other Texas school. I will look for that article and post it if I can find it. I think it was on ESPN+. 

    Edit: Here is the article. Just a handshake deal, which obviously doesn't mean shit with a move like this and it's financial impact.

    https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools
    oh yeah, duh.  I know TCU and Baylor are private.  What about Tech?  I'm pretty sure UT was happy to stay out of the SEC because it wanted the Longhorn network.  Maybe that is failing?  What's the story on the Cowpokes?
    LHN is a joke. I expect Tech & OSU to join the Pac 12 if this ends up happening. OU will compete in the SEC immediately (football at least), UT has every luxury imaginable in the state as well as all of the media stroking and continually fall flat. I don't think they will be better off in the SEC when they already struggle in the Big XII. I could also see TCU & Baylor going the Pac 12 route, although being small private schools may not factor in their favor.
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,554
    LHN will be dissolved. The SEC Network distributed more than $40 million to each school last year. The rich get richer! 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,379
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,835
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    Why wouldn't they?  With the deal they have it makes sense to be a bs team without a conference.
    ;)

    Pac12 is such a joke.  Now we have a new leader but not being able to grab these teams and pony up to try and keep up is a big loss.

    Surprised Oklahoma wants to join.  They have it made where they are and are pretty much granted an auto bid to playoffs.  With Texas out they would really be in the best seat
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  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    I hope they do, but I think if the Texas/OU move happens, it will muddy thr waters.

    If these "super-confrences" happen, I think they will almost have to join the ACC or another conference. 
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,379
    F Me In The Brain said:
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    Why wouldn't they?  With the deal they have it makes sense to be a bs team without a conference.
    ;)

    Pac12 is such a joke.  Now we have a new leader but not being able to grab these teams and pony up to try and keep up is a big loss.

    Surprised Oklahoma wants to join.  They have it made where they are and are pretty much granted an auto bid to playoffs.  With Texas out they would really be in the best seat
    Greedy!

    Just making sure you were still here! 🤣
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,835
    darwinstheory said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    Why wouldn't they?  With the deal they have it makes sense to be a bs team without a conference.
    ;)

    Pac12 is such a joke.  Now we have a new leader but not being able to grab these teams and pony up to try and keep up is a big loss.

    Surprised Oklahoma wants to join.  They have it made where they are and are pretty much granted an auto bid to playoffs.  With Texas out they would really be in the best seat
    Greedy!

    Just making sure you were still here! 🤣
    Yeah, buddy!
    Even though the Pac12 is a joke and Clay Felchton is a goddamn joke I still can't wait to watch and get mad at the team.  :lol:. 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,379
    lmckenney24 said:
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    I hope they do, but I think if the Texas/OU move happens, it will muddy thr waters.

    If these "super-confrences" happen, I think they will almost have to join the ACC or another conference. 
    It does seem like they will eventually have to join one. Sooner than later I assume. SEC adding OU and Texas is a huge flex. Would not be surprised to see B1G or ACC make a huge push to add ND in the coming years. I'm not opposed to it, but I also don't fault them for staying Independent. As Brett noted, why wouldn't they at this point?
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,554
    edited July 2021
    darwinstheory said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    darwinstheory said:
    Anybody else hope Notre Dame remains independent? 
    I hope they do, but I think if the Texas/OU move happens, it will muddy thr waters.

    If these "super-confrences" happen, I think they will almost have to join the ACC or another conference. 
    It does seem like they will eventually have to join one. Sooner than later I assume. SEC adding OU and Texas is a huge flex. Would not be surprised to see B1G or ACC make a huge push to add ND in the coming years. I'm not opposed to it, but I also don't fault them for staying Independent. As Brett noted, why wouldn't they at this point?
    If ND football decides to join a conference in the next 15 years it'll be with the ACC. It was written in their contract when all of their other sports joined the ACC a few years ago. 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,835
    I think we see with Oklahoma and Texas that the contracts don't mean much - they are happy to buy out if the money is right.  (ACC seems like the right spot for ND, though.)
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  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    The lack of a conference championship game is going to eventually hurt them. For a final spot (assuming they stay at 4 teams), are you taking a 10-2 ND team with wins over Toledo, Navy and Cincy (they are good some years) or a 10-3 SEC team that lost in championship game?


  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,554
    lmckenney24 said:
    The lack of a conference championship game is going to eventually hurt them. For a final spot (assuming they stay at 4 teams), are you taking a 10-2 ND team with wins over Toledo, Navy and Cincy (they are good some years) or a 10-3 SEC team that lost in championship game?


    SEC team everytime. 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    JojoRice said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    The lack of a conference championship game is going to eventually hurt them. For a final spot (assuming they stay at 4 teams), are you taking a 10-2 ND team with wins over Toledo, Navy and Cincy (they are good some years) or a 10-3 SEC team that lost in championship game?


    SEC team everytime. 
    Same argument can be made for B1G, ACC or PAC12. ND has a strength of schedule issue in my opinion (which doesn't mean much) if they want to remain independent. 




  • lmckenney24
    lmckenney24 Posts: 2,101
    lmckenney24 said:
    JojoRice said:
    lmckenney24 said:
    The lack of a conference championship game is going to eventually hurt them. For a final spot (assuming they stay at 4 teams), are you taking a 10-2 ND team with wins over Toledo, Navy and Cincy (they are good some years) or a 10-3 SEC team that lost in championship game?


    SEC team everytime. 
    Same argument can be made for B1G, ACC or PAC12. ND has a strength of schedule issue in my opinion (which doesn't mean much). They need to beef it up if they want to remain independant.





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