Canada: genocide and attempted extermination of indigenous peoples….

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  • Meltdown99
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  • Meltdown99
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    https://globalnews.ca/news/7923916/residential-school-inuk-foster-care/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter


    Child foster care is ‘the new residential school system,’ Nunavut MP says



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  • Spunkie
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    edited November 2023
    https://globalnews.ca/news/7923916/residential-school-inuk-foster-care/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter


    Child foster care is ‘the new residential school system,’ Nunavut MP says



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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Good to see The Guardian covering this horrible piece of history.

    When they came to take Jonnish Saganash away, he was only five years old.

    It was 1954, and the Canadian government had decided he was to be sent to a residential school in Ontario – hundreds of kilometers from his Indigenous community in Quebec.

    “He was just a child, a gentle child born on the land of his ancestors,” his brother Romeo recalled this week.

    Just a year after arriving at the school, Jonnish contracted rheumatic fever and died far from his family. He was buried in an unmarked grave near the school.

    Last week, news broke at the other end of the country that would bring all those painful memories back. It was “devastating – again,” said Romeo.

    Terrible and tragic.



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  • PJNB
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    tish said:
    https://globalnews.ca/news/7923916/residential-school-inuk-foster-care/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter


    Child foster care is ‘the new residential school system,’ Nunavut MP says



    I know, right! Instead of every child matters the slogan should be - stop taking our children.
    Why are the kids being put in foster homes?
  • Spunkie
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  • mickeyrat
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    kinda thought atonement and admission of sins was part of the deal?

    Pope voices 'pain' over Canadian deaths, doesn't apologize
    By FRANCES D'EMILIO
    43 mins ago

    VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Sunday expressed his pain over the discovery in Canada of the remains of 215 Indigenous students of church-run boarding schools and pressed religious and political authorities to shed light on “this sad affair.” But he didn’t offer the apology sought by the Canadian prime minister.

    Francis, in remarks to faithful gathered in St. Peter's Square, also called on the authorities to foster healing but made no reference to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's insistence, two days earlier, that the Vatican apologize and take responsibility.

    From the 19th century until the 1970s, more than 150,000 Indigenous children were forced to attend state-funded Christian schools, the majority of them run by Roman Catholic missionary congregations, in a campaign to assimilate them into Canadian society.

    The Canadian government has admitted that physical and sexual abuse was rampant in the schools, with students beaten for speaking their native languages.

    Ground-penetrating radar was used to confirm the remains of the children at the Kamloops Indian Residential School in Kamloops, British Columbia, last month. The school was Canada's largest such facility and was operated by the Catholic Church between 1890 and 1969.

    "I am following with pain the news that arrives from Canada about the upsetting discovery of the remains of 215 children," Francis said in his customary Sunday noon remarks to the public.

    “I join with the Canadian bishops and the entire Catholic Church in Canada in expressing my closeness to the Canadian people traumatized by the shocking news,'' Francis said.

    ”This sad discovery adds to the awareness of the sorrows and sufferings of the past," he added.

    Trudeau on Friday blasted the church for being “silent” and “not stepping up,″ and called on it to formally apologize and to make amends for its prominent role in his nation’s former system of church-run Indigenous boarding schools.

    He noted that when he met with Francis at the Vatican in 2017, he had asked him to ”move forward on apologizing” and on making records available. But, Trudeau said, “we’re still seeing resistance from the church, possibly from the church in Canada.”

    Chief Rosanne Casimir of the Tk’emlups te Secwepemc First Nation in British Columbia has said her nation wants a public apology from the Catholic Church. The Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, which ran nearly half of Canada’s residential schools, has yet to release any records about the Kamloops school, she also said.

    Francis’ comments spoke of healing but not of apology.

    “May the political and religious authorities continue to collaborate with determination to shed light on this sad affair and to commit humbly to a path of reconciliation and healing,″ Francis said.

    “These difficult moments represent a strong call to distance ourselves from the colonial model and from today’s ideological colonizing and to walk side by side in dialogue, in mutual respect and in recognizing rights and cultural values of all the daughters and sons of Canada,” the pope said.

    “Let's entrust to the Lord the souls of all those children, deceased in the residential schools of Canada,'' the pontiff added. "Let us pray for the families and for the indigenous Canadian communities overcome by sorrow.” Francis then asked the public in the square below his window to join him in silent prayer.

    Last week, the Vatican spokesman didn't respond to requests for comment about the demands for a formal apology from the pope.

    On Wednesday, Vancouver Archbishop Michael Miller tweeted his "deep apology and profound condolences to the families and communities that have been devastated by this horrific news.” The churchman, who leads Catholics in that British Columbia archdiocese, added that the church was "unquestionably wrong in implementing a government colonialist policy which resulted in devastation for children, families and communities.”

    The United, Presbyterian and Anglican churches have apologized for their roles in the abuse, as has the Canadian government, which has offered compensation.

    Among the many recommendations of a government-established Truth and Reconciliation Commission was a papal apology.

    In 2009, then Pope Benedict XVI met with former students and survivors and told them of his “personal anguish” over their suffering. But his words weren't described as an apology.


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  • PJNB
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    edited June 2021
    tish said:
    Cultural genocide 
    Where is the proof that is still happening intentionally to cause a cultural genocide? I get emotions are high right now on this and I will admit I am really not aware of what is going on to be honest. That is why I am asking the question but to say cultural genocide is the reason they are putting kids in foster care homes that should have some proof should it not? How in 2021 would this happen? 

    I have a friend that was an RCMP officer in Nunavut for 4 years. She had a case where she found a 1 year old boy that was abused and neglected by his mother so bad there were week old feces still in his room. She was there on her own so she decided to become a foster parent for the boy while she lived there. After her 4 year term was up she found a job closer to home in the maritimes.  She applied to adopt the boy and after some time with no one locally interested to adopt she was successful. This boy now lives in our province far away from his culture and home. Does this count? 




  • Meltdown99
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    Trudeau must fulfill vow of ‘transformative’ change for Indigenous people: Wilson-Raybould


    We need real action.   Jody would be a great person to lead the change…

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  • Meltdown99
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    tish said:
    https://globalnews.ca/news/7923916/residential-school-inuk-foster-care/?utm_source=%40globalnews&utm_medium=Twitter


    Child foster care is ‘the new residential school system,’ Nunavut MP says



    I know, right! Instead of every child matters the slogan should be - stop taking our children.
    From my understanding many are put in non indigenous homes as well.  Which leads to loss of culture.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJNB said:
    tish said:
    Cultural genocide 
    Where is the proof that is still happening intentionally to cause a cultural genocide? I get emotions are high right now on this and I will admit I am really not aware of what is going on to be honest. That is why I am asking the question but to say cultural genocide is the reason they are putting kids in foster care homes that should have some proof should it not? How in 2021 would this happen? 

    I have a friend that was an RCMP officer in Nunavut for 4 years. She had a case where she found a 1 year old boy that was abused and neglected by his mother so bad there were week old feces still in his room. She was there on her own so she decided to become a foster parent for the boy while she lived there. After her 4 year term was up she found a job closer to home in the maritimes.  She applied to adopt the boy and after some time with no one locally interested to adopt she was successful. This boy now lives in our province far away from his culture and home. Does this count? 




    Part of the problem is that they are usually placed in non-indigenous households…

    so I’m guessing this causes lost opportunities to partake in indigenous music, arts, crafts, language, hunting, fishing and on and on.

    These families need proper support…many of these families are survivors of residential abuse.  They were just trying to survive…no one was teaching and raising them…just abusing them.  

    Both the government and the church’s need to own up to this.

    defacing statues and creating another paid holiday for an already over bloated public  service is not the answer…

    my brother in law who is indigenous said “creating a holiday paid for civil servants was a slap to his face.” Especially when they are continually in court fighting for their treaty rights.




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  • Meltdown99
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    New Brunswick's little-known school for assimilating Indigenous children



    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/residential-schools-day-schools-1.6051442?cmp=rss

    The early schools pushed a Protestant message on Indigenous children, who got little in the way of an education and were ultimately forced to work as unpaid labourers.

    "We do think that there's no history of residential schools here, so we have not been forced to confront this part of our historical past," said Nicole O'Byrne, an associate professor at the University of New Brunswick's law faculty.

    "It's hard to reconcile when you don't know the full scope or nature of the problem."




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  • Meltdown99
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    PJNB said:
    tish said:
    Cultural genocide 
    Where is the proof that is still happening intentionally to cause a cultural genocide? I get emotions are high right now on this and I will admit I am really not aware of what is going on to be honest. That is why I am asking the question but to say cultural genocide is the reason they are putting kids in foster care homes that should have some proof should it not? How in 2021 would this happen? 

    I have a friend that was an RCMP officer in Nunavut for 4 years. She had a case where she found a 1 year old boy that was abused and neglected by his mother so bad there were week old feces still in his room. She was there on her own so she decided to become a foster parent for the boy while she lived there. After her 4 year term was up she found a job closer to home in the maritimes.  She applied to adopt the boy and after some time with no one locally interested to adopt she was successful. This boy now lives in our province far away from his culture and home. Does this count? 




    I wouldn't say "cultural genocide" in policy, but definitely is an effect of what is going on. They are taken from their homes at the first sign of neglect and abuse instead of trying to work with the families and helping them through their struggles. the support just isn't there. and it should be. 
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  • Meltdown99
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    Trudeau sure is distancing himself and the role his papa played in residential schools…it’s like he’s saying “I didn’t even know that genocidal murderer.”
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  • Meltdown99
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    Ottawa says it's not liable for cultural damage caused by Kamloops residential school: court documents


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Trudeau sure is distancing himself and the role his papa played in residential schools…it’s like he’s saying “I didn’t even know that genocidal murderer.”

    Seems like a better move would have been to admit that what happened in the past was wrong and give some solid evidence that he wants to move forward with admitting those past atrocities happened and do something about making reparations.  It would be a more honest move as well.  They can't bury this shit forever, especially with so much of the truth coming out.
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  • Spunkie
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  • Meltdown99
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    brianlux said:
    Trudeau sure is distancing himself and the role his papa played in residential schools…it’s like he’s saying “I didn’t even know that genocidal murderer.”

    Seems like a better move would have been to admit that what happened in the past was wrong and give some solid evidence that he wants to move forward with admitting those past atrocities happened and do something about making reparations.  It would be a more honest move as well.  They can't bury this shit forever, especially with so much of the truth coming out.
    I couldn’t agree more.  A good first start would be to get clean drinking water to all 1st nation reserves.

    I’m not trying to get off topic…but on Sunday in a city 2 hours hours from me a Muslim family was intentionally run over…4 members of the family died and the only survivor was a 9 year…the killer a 20 year…

    and want pisses me off beside the senseless killing is the media and people reactions…I’m tired of the media and people acting surprised that this is going on in Canada.  Shit, this has been going on for 200 years…

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