Donald Trump

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

cblock4life said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

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josevolution said:

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josevolution said:

Yeah who gives a shit when/how the virus got started at this point! Many lives could of been saved with a competent president but unfortunately we had an imbecile running the circus hence 100’s of thousand perished..

Well ya should care. How the hell do you prevent future pandemics without knowing how this one started?

We had a total playbook left behind by Obama administration! On how to handle a pandemic guess what Trumps administration did with it dismissed it, most virus start with humans involvement..

I get it, dude. Trump is an idiot. I'm not talking about Trump's handling of things. He was terrible as expected. I'm talking about the origin of the pandemic and how Fauci and others were quick to dismiss the lab theory. You say most viruses start with human involvement, but for quite a while there, Fauci was suggesting you're a conspiracy theorist to suggest the lab was the origin. And Facebook was censoring posts linking the virus to the Wuhan lab.

I already know Donald Trump is a shady asshole. It's Fauci who I'm interested in learning more about. Why be so dismissive of the lab theory? Covering his own ass knowing the NIH gave funding to the Wuhan lab?

fauci has not denied NIH gave funding to the wuhan lab, he denies funding was given specifically on the basis of gain of function research.

i think the pushback on the wuhan lab theory was because they knew full well what would happen (and did happen, to some extent) if it gained traction: racist attacks on chinese people. and because trump was suggesting china did it as a bioweapon. had fauci and others come out and said, at that point, "we don't know anything yet" instead of outright calling it false, people would have gone berserk, calling for WW3 on China. we could easily have had another cold war on our hands, during a pandemic, with trump at the helm.

that's a trifecta for a massive fuck up.

He hasn't denied funding, but in the earliest days of the pandemic (say last March), he wasn't exactly forthcoming with that information. That's why I think at the time, he was trying to minimize the lab theory; trying to get eyes off the lab and the NIH's funding.

I disagree with the second paragraph. I just don't get how it's racist to suggest Chinese scientists fucked up and that might the cause, but it's not racist to suggest that China's filthy, inhumane wet markets might be the cause. Why would one cause racist attacks on Chinese Americans and not the other? I also don't think saying "We don't know anything yet" would have led to people going berserk on China. But even if that was the fear, it's still better to be honest and say "we're not sure yet" than it is to dismiss one of the possible causes (the lab). That makes it looks as if scientists like Fauci were covering for China. So now you get the same anger towards China that you would've gotten a year ago, but coupled with anger towards people like Fauci who we're supposed to trust.

Agree that Fauci is and was a POS. Gutless puke. I’m not even sure the whole bunch of them who allowed that baby to lie month after month shouldn’t be held responsible for their non-actions. If Trump would have handled the whole thing honestly he’d be sitting in the WH right now. He was just too stupid to see it, his last opportunity to do something positive and he was just soooo stupid about it.

Completely agree. Trump had his chance to be a normal president in the midst of a real crisis, and he blew it. If he handled things correctly, he could've cancelled out a lot of the stupid bullshit from the first three years of his presidency.

In fact, if he didn't vilify Fauci and just stayed neutral, maybe everyone would see Fauci for what he is. But nope, Trump made him his enemy, so by proxy, he became an ally of the left.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2021

my bad. I read this "who allowed that baby to lie month after month shouldn’t be held responsible for their non-actions" as referring to Fauci. I now realize it was in reference to Trump.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

my bad. I read this "who allowed that baby to lie month after month shouldn’t be held responsible for their non-actions" as referring to Fauci. I now realize it was in reference to Trump.

It’s all good. If anything reposting that can reaffirm
my stance that I don’t like Trump, as someone earlier suggested he’s my “hero” cause I’m not a fan o’ Fauci.

Merkin Baller · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

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23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my bad. I read this "who allowed that baby to lie month after month shouldn’t be held responsible for their non-actions" as referring to Fauci. I now realize it was in reference to Trump.

It’s all good. If anything reposting that can reaffirm
my stance that I don’t like Trump, as someone earlier suggested he’s my “hero” cause I’m not a fan o’ Fauci.

I knew you weren't a fan of trump. but maybe refrain from generalizing "your partisans". many of us aren't fans of any of the leaders, dem and repub, but just prefer the Pumpkin to be gone.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my bad. I read this "who allowed that baby to lie month after month shouldn’t be held responsible for their non-actions" as referring to Fauci. I now realize it was in reference to Trump.

It’s all good. If anything reposting that can reaffirm
my stance that I don’t like Trump, as someone earlier suggested he’s my “hero” cause I’m not a fan o’ Fauci.

I knew you weren't a fan of trump. but maybe refrain from generalizing "your partisans". many of us aren't fans of any of the leaders, dem and repub, but just prefer the Pumpkin to be gone.

You might know but someone else said “Your hero Trump” and suggested I’m bashing Fauci to make Trump look better. That just seems like epitome of believing “you’re on one side or the other”

maybe all this Fauci talk would be better suited for the coronavirus thread. Eliminate Trump from the equation.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

oftenreading · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

Likely? No. We get zoonotic disease transmission all the time, and the last significant pandemics have been zoonotic, so no, transmission from wild animals was always more likely. It’s never a good idea to fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality.

The Juggler · June 2021

Now Fauci is an "attention whore" because he did one photo shoot for in style magazine. Really? Come on. I know you are not a Trump fan, but a lot of the things you are saying about him could very easily have come out of Trump's mouth, and probably did.

Merkin Baller · June 2021

The Juggler said:

Now Fauci is an "attention whore" because he did one photo shoot for in style magazine. Really? Come on. I know you are not a Trump fan, but a lot of the things you are saying about him could very easily have come out of Trump's mouth, and probably did.

This is why I made the hero comment... if you're going to act like someone, you should be prepared for people to call you out on it.

mrussel1 · June 2021

The Juggler said:

Now Fauci is an "attention whore" because he did one photo shoot for in style magazine. Really? Come on. I know you are not a Trump fan, but a lot of the things you are saying about him could very easily have come out of Trump's mouth, and probably did.

He did a photo shoot? I don't read the magazine but I assumed that he's on the cover and there's an interview. I seriously doubt he did an actual sexy photo shoot.

The Juggler · June 2021

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

Now Fauci is an "attention whore" because he did one photo shoot for in style magazine. Really? Come on. I know you are not a Trump fan, but a lot of the things you are saying about him could very easily have come out of Trump's mouth, and probably did.

He did a photo shoot? I don't read the magazine but I assumed that he's on the cover and there's an interview. I seriously doubt he did an actual sexy photo shoot.

You're right. It wasn't even the magazine--just their website. It was one picture and the interview was conducted by Norah O'Donnell. People are actually bothered by this? lol

https://www.instyle.com/news/dr-fauci-says-with-all-due-modesty-i-think-im-pretty-effective

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

The Juggler said:

Now Fauci is an "attention whore" because he did one photo shoot for in style magazine. Really? Come on. I know you are not a Trump fan, but a lot of the things you are saying about him could very easily have come out of Trump's mouth, and probably did.

Well that's fair enough.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

in this political and hyper-conspiratorial climate we're in, I think it would have been a mistake to even publicly acknowledge the possibility. we already have white on chinese violence from trump calling it the china virus. imagine if Fauci had said "yeah, maybe it is a bio weapon/ originated in a lab" there would have been chaos.

The Juggler · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

in this political and hyper-conspiratorial climate we're in, I think it would have been a mistake to even publicly acknowledge the possibility. we already have white on chinese violence from trump calling it the china virus. imagine if Fauci had said "yeah, maybe it is a bio weapon/ originated in a lab" there would have been chaos.

This is great point. I have not read the 4,000 emails (and doubt others here have as well, plus I will never take Rand Paul's word for anything) but if some of this stuff turns out to be true, I would suspect the fact that our president at the time was an abhorrent human being looking for any scape goat possible played a role in the initial messaging. Trump's childish words and petulant behavior surely made things much more difficult for the public health officials like Fauci.

Merkin Baller · June 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

in this political and hyper-conspiratorial climate we're in, I think it would have been a mistake to even publicly acknowledge the possibility. we already have white on chinese violence from trump calling it the china virus. imagine if Fauci had said "yeah, maybe it is a bio weapon/ originated in a lab" there would have been chaos.

& we also already have the anger towards our own leaders and scientists (as evidenced in this very thread), so back to my point from yesterday: what will change if it comes out that this actually did originate in a lab?

oftenreading · June 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

During major health crises like a global pandemic, health leaders have several jobs, not the least of which are instilling hope and calming anxiety, because the more anxious and afraid people are the less rationally they behave. Downplaying unproven and scary theories about all the possible origins of a virus is a very reasonable part of the job. To the best of my knowledgeable he never said it was impossible, he just didn’t hype it up with speculation. What the social media platforms did after that is up to them. In my opinion he probably took the best approach to it.

Ledbetterman10 · June 2021

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

23scidoo said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Nobody around here can handle the TRUTH!

Truth hurts..

For some, yes.

Apparently magazine covers hurt feelings too.

It’s not “hurt feelings.” He’s been on the cover of Time Magazine, which makes sense. But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert posing poolside for In Style is Trump-like. Just basking in the sun by the pool at the height of a pandemic that killed millions.

Meh... trolling to get a rise out of people is trump like too.

It is. But you’re conceding here that Fauci, the scientist, is Trump-like.

Frankly, while being critical of that magazine picture, and certainly making fun of his first pitch, upsets some of you, I shouldn’t have posted that. It just distracts from the real issue that I was posting about before that; Fauci funding the gain of function research, which I’m sure was done in good faith. But when shit went wrong at the lab, he went to great lengths to discredit the lab theory even though that’s not being transparent. So on the levels of Trumpist behavior, I’d rather troll on a message board than lie to the public about important scientific information.

I believe when all is said & done that Fauci tried to save as many lives as he could, which can't be said about your orange hero. You can whine about magazine covers and BLM and Chinese labs all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Fauci tried to do his job while our president at the time turned his back on us in the worst pandemic to hit this country in a century.
I get it, people need to vilify Fauci to try make trump look less bad. It is what it is. Was the guy perfect? Not at all, but he didn't walk away which would have been the path of least resistance, he stuck around & tried to do his job under absurd and unnecessary circumstances created by that orange fuckstick.
I couldn't give a shit about how he throws out a first pitch, or whether or not he was on a magazine cover.

& talk about trump like... when all else fails, just say he throws like a girl.

JFC

Trump’s not my hero. Didn’t even vote for him. I am not vilifying Fauci to make Trump look good. Nothing can make Trump look good. You partisans just can fathom that people be critical of and have dislike for both Trump and Fauci. Or Trump and Biden for that matter.

"You partisans" - pot meet kettle

I'm not a fan of any of them, truth be told, but your criticisms of fauci are piss poor, and when called out on it, you resorted to trolling.

It is what it is.

None of those criticisms were poor at all. He hasn’t been transparent about the possibility of it originating in the lab. And the trolling wasn’t some last resort. It’s just that if people are gonna focus more on me posting the magazine cover (which isn’t all that relevant) than me talking about his lack of transparency, then here’s something else you can focus on that’s irrelevant.

So now the problem isn't that he was lying, it's that he wasn't transparent about something being a possibility.

Got it. Not the strongest point IMO, but take what you can get I guess.

RE: The magazine cover, that was one of your three big critiques of him, calling him an attention whore for it. But now it isn't all that relevant? But at the same time, it ISN'T a piss poor criticism?

Ok.

That lack of transparency is in the same realm as lying. He knew that the lab was plausible, and dismissed people that suggested it as conspiracy theorists.

Attention whore was one three critiques, but not a big one like you’re making it out to be. By far the smallest actually. Certainly not one that is relevant to Fauci’s influence on the public. That’s why I said I regret even mentioning it. It’s small potatoes compared to being a scientist that dismissed the possible (and let’s face it, likely) cause of a disease.

he dismissed it publicly. which is exactly what he should have done, regardless of what his real thoughts were on the matter. it's tantamount to "no comment".

I think he should've said something more along the lines of "we're looking into every possible scenario." Above, Oftenreading made the same argument you made yesterday about acknowledging the lab theory would, as he put it, "fan the flames of xenophobia and irrationality." I still think that if if comes out that, in fact, it was the lab all along, then you might get the same xenophobia (hopefully not), but coupled anger towards our own leaders and scientists for being so gun-ho against the theory. Social media was deleting posts even entertaining the lab theory, based on, presumably, people like Fauci being against the theory. That's almost Orwellian; the person in charge doesn't want this talked about...so it talking about it won't be tolerated.

During major health crises like a global pandemic, health leaders have several jobs, not the least of which are instilling hope and calming anxiety, because the more anxious and afraid people are the less rationally they behave. Downplaying unproven and scary theories about all the possible origins of a virus is a very reasonable part of the job. To the best of my knowledgeable he never said it was impossible, he just didn’t hype it up with speculation. What the social media platforms did after that is up to them. In my opinion he probably took the best approach to it.

While he didn't say it was "impossible," he told National Geographic in May 2020, "If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what’s out there now, [the evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated."

In fairness to him, I'm not sure what evidence he is citing. So maybe there was evidence for that. But there also seems to have been evidence to the contrary. Meaning both theories should've been in play. So to lean "very, very strongly" one way in May 2020 seems disingenuous. Especially considering he's familiar with the experiments being done at the Wuhan lab.

As for downplaying unproven and scary theories. I don't see what's so scary about the theory that it could've originated by a lab error. I think it's scarier to think there's disease-ridden bats biting people and that caused a worldwide pandemic.

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