#46 President Joe Biden

mace1229 · April 2021

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?

He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?
And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?

You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.
And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.

Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.

What premise? What lie? Someone just commented they thought it was odd he walked down with his mask, outside and alone. I said I agreed. What lie are you talking about?
I've been walking outside, alone without a mask for a year. There never has been any scientific reason to wear a mask when you're alone outside.

The Juggler · April 2021

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?

He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?
And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?

You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.
And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.

Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.

What premise? What lie? Someone just commented they thought it was odd he walked down with his mask, outside and alone. I said I agreed. What lie are you talking about?
I've been walking outside, alone without a mask for a year. There never has been any scientific reason to wear a mask when you're alone outside.

It was the press conference to announce that vaccinated folks no longer needed to wear masks outside. He walked to the podium with it on. He then talked about the new cdc guidelines. He then proceeded to walk back to the white house without wearing a fucking mask. That was the symbolism. That was the god damned point he was making.

People need to stop getting their news or forming opinions from idiotic, out of context, videos that biased assholes post on twitter. sheesh.

Halifax2TheMax · April 2021

Really it was President Biden wouldn't blind everyone with his pearly whites prior to speaking. That and a "dramatic entrance" to get attention and spur the faux outrage. Or humour.

Halifax2TheMax · April 2021

Hmmmmm, how many white house staffers or visitors have come down with covid in President Biden's first 100 days versus POOTWH's last 100 days? Anyone? Maybe catturd would let us know?

The Juggler · April 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

Really it was President Biden wouldn't blind everyone with his pearly whites prior to speaking. That and a "dramatic entrance" to get attention and spur the faux outrage. Or humour.

All I have to say is THANK GOD Joe wasn't sporting a tan suit yesterday. CANNOT IMAGINE what the dumb videos and memes would've looked like!

lol

mrussel1 · April 2021

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?

He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?
And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?

You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.
And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.

Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.

What premise? What lie? Someone just commented they thought it was odd he walked down with his mask, outside and alone. I said I agreed. What lie are you talking about?
I've been walking outside, alone without a mask for a year. There never has been any scientific reason to wear a mask when you're alone outside.

The premise of the "tweet" was to mock Biden for wearing a mask outdoors after the CDC announcement. Yet, the video and tweet failed to mention/make clear that this was the conference where he made the announcement. So he walked out, took off the mask, announced, and walked in without the mask. As Juggler pointed out, it was the symbolism of changing the guidance. And again, the tweet and the person posting the tweet sought to mock Biden when it was done perfectly.

Lerxst1992 · April 2021

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

They didn't? Were we watching the same election in November when a president mishandled and lied about a pandemic and came within 43,000 votes of getting reelected, by turning the country into an anti woke defund the police nation...and destroyed democrats in nearly all state government races in non blue states?

Why do you think democrats are about to get gerrymandered into oblivion next year? Because they got hammered in state govt races and republicans get to draw the districts in almost all swing states. Again. Cmon man, be real.

.....

James Carville

Right, but we can’t say, “Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what, so let’s just run as out-and-out socialists.” That’s not the smartest thing to do. And maybe tweeting that we should abolish the police isn’t the smartest thing to do because almost fucking no one wants to do that.

Here’s the deal: No matter how you look at the map, the only way Democrats can hold power is to build on their coalition, and that will have to include more rural white voters from across the country. Democrats are never going to win a majority of these voters. That’s the reality. But the difference between getting beat 80 to 20 and 72 to 28 is all the difference in the world.

The Juggler · April 2021

^
Also, regarding the older than or younger than 40 thing: It's rubbish:

-https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-highest-favorability-rating-young-americans-harvard-poll-2021-4
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Biden boasts record approval rating among young Americans, poll says

John L. Dorman

Apr 24, 2021, 12:45 PM

President Joe Biden speaks during an event with the CEOs of Johnson & Johnson and Merck at the South Court Auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building March 10, 2021 in Washington, DC.

Alex Wong/Getty Images

President Biden has a 63% approval rating among young voters, according to a Harvard poll.
Biden also boasts a 59% job approval rating among voters aged 18 to 29.
Since the president's election, minority Americans have seen a surge in hopefulness for the future.
See more stories on Insider's business page.

President Joe Biden boasts a 63% approval rating among young Americans aged 18 to 29, according to a new poll released by the Institute of Politics at Harvard Kennedy School, which represents the highest figure for any president in the survey's 21-year history.

The Institute's data revealed that among Biden's predecessors, then-President Donald Trump's highest approval rating among young voters peaked at 33% in 2019, with then-President Barack Obama reaching 57% approval in 2016 and then-President George W. Bush with a 61% approval rating in 2003.

The Harvard Youth Poll showed that 59% of Americans aged 18 to 29 approve of Biden's overall job performance.

Biden received positive marks on a range of issues, including his handling of the coronavirus pandemic (65% approval) and the economy (53% approval), along with climate change (58% approval), national security (52% approval), education (58% approval), and race relations (57% approval).

The president's surge in favorability is a stark contrast to the Harvard poll from last spring, when only 34% of young American adults viewed him favorably.

Read more: Prosecuting Trump does not look like a DOJ priority under Biden's attorney general. But watch Georgia and New York.

The poll also reflected the renewed optimism that younger Americans now have compared to 2017, during Trump's first full year office. That fall, only 31% of young Americans were hopeful about the country's future — 56% of young Americans are now hopeful, a huge turnaround.

The change even more dramatic for young Black and Hispanic Americans.

In 2017, only 18% of young Black Americans said they were hopeful about the country. That figure has skyrocketed to 72% in the new survey.

Among young Hispanic Americans, 29% expressed hope for the future in 2017, a number which climbed to 69% in the latest poll.

Young Black Americans gave Biden a 77% job approval rating in the poll, followed by young Hispanic Americans with 70% approval and young white Americans with a 48% approval rating.

Similar to older adults, variations in Biden's approval rating due to geographic differences were evident in the poll.

While 69% of young Americans living in urban areas and 60% in the suburbs gave a thumbs up to Biden's job performance, the numbers declined to 51% approval among young Americans in small towns and 42% approval for young Americans in rural areas.

The Harvard Youth poll was conducted between March 9 and March 22 with 2,513 Americans aged 18 to 29.

The margin of error for the overall sample was 2.6 percentage points.

Halifax2TheMax · April 2021

The Juggler said:

^
Also, regarding the older than or younger than 40 thing: It's rubbish:

-https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-highest-favorability-rating-young-americans-harvard-poll-2021-4
-
Biden boasts record approval rating among young Americans, poll says
John L. Dorman
Apr 24, 2021, 12:45 PM
President Joe Biden speaks during an event with the CEOs of Johnson & Johnson and Merck at the South Court Auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building March 10, 2021 in Washington, DC.
Alex Wong/Getty Images
President Biden has a 63% approval rating among young voters, according to a Harvard poll.
Biden also boasts a 59% job approval rating among voters aged 18 to 29.
Since the president's election, minority Americans have seen a surge in hopefulness for the future.
See more stories on Insider's business page.
President Joe Biden boasts a 63% approval rating among young Americans aged 18 to 29, according to a new poll released by the Institute of Politics at Harvard Kennedy School, which represents the highest figure for any president in the survey's 21-year history.
The Institute's data revealed that among Biden's predecessors, then-President Donald Trump's highest approval rating among young voters peaked at 33% in 2019, with then-President Barack Obama reaching 57% approval in 2016 and then-President George W. Bush with a 61% approval rating in 2003.
The Harvard Youth Poll showed that 59% of Americans aged 18 to 29 approve of Biden's overall job performance.
Biden received positive marks on a range of issues, including his handling of the coronavirus pandemic (65% approval) and the economy (53% approval), along with climate change (58% approval), national security (52% approval), education (58% approval), and race relations (57% approval).
The president's surge in favorability is a stark contrast to the Harvard poll from last spring, when only 34% of young American adults viewed him favorably.
Read more: Prosecuting Trump does not look like a DOJ priority under Biden's attorney general. But watch Georgia and New York.
The poll also reflected the renewed optimism that younger Americans now have compared to 2017, during Trump's first full year office. That fall, only 31% of young Americans were hopeful about the country's future — 56% of young Americans are now hopeful, a huge turnaround.
The change even more dramatic for young Black and Hispanic Americans.
In 2017, only 18% of young Black Americans said they were hopeful about the country. That figure has skyrocketed to 72% in the new survey.
Among young Hispanic Americans, 29% expressed hope for the future in 2017, a number which climbed to 69% in the latest poll.
Young Black Americans gave Biden a 77% job approval rating in the poll, followed by young Hispanic Americans with 70% approval and young white Americans with a 48% approval rating.
Similar to older adults, variations in Biden's approval rating due to geographic differences were evident in the poll.
While 69% of young Americans living in urban areas and 60% in the suburbs gave a thumbs up to Biden's job performance, the numbers declined to 51% approval among young Americans in small towns and 42% approval for young Americans in rural areas.
The Harvard Youth poll was conducted between March 9 and March 22 with 2,513 Americans aged 18 to 29.
The margin of error for the overall sample was 2.6 percentage points.

Just wait until they can only have one hamberder a month.

static111 · April 2021

The Juggler said:

^
Also, regarding the older than or younger than 40 thing: It's rubbish:

-https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-highest-favorability-rating-young-americans-harvard-poll-2021-4
-
Biden boasts record approval rating among young Americans, poll says
John L. Dorman
Apr 24, 2021, 12:45 PM
President Joe Biden speaks during an event with the CEOs of Johnson & Johnson and Merck at the South Court Auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building March 10, 2021 in Washington, DC.
Alex Wong/Getty Images
President Biden has a 63% approval rating among young voters, according to a Harvard poll.
Biden also boasts a 59% job approval rating among voters aged 18 to 29.
Since the president's election, minority Americans have seen a surge in hopefulness for the future.
See more stories on Insider's business page.
President Joe Biden boasts a 63% approval rating among young Americans aged 18 to 29, according to a new poll released by the Institute of Politics at Harvard Kennedy School, which represents the highest figure for any president in the survey's 21-year history.
The Institute's data revealed that among Biden's predecessors, then-President Donald Trump's highest approval rating among young voters peaked at 33% in 2019, with then-President Barack Obama reaching 57% approval in 2016 and then-President George W. Bush with a 61% approval rating in 2003.
The Harvard Youth Poll showed that 59% of Americans aged 18 to 29 approve of Biden's overall job performance.
Biden received positive marks on a range of issues, including his handling of the coronavirus pandemic (65% approval) and the economy (53% approval), along with climate change (58% approval), national security (52% approval), education (58% approval), and race relations (57% approval).
The president's surge in favorability is a stark contrast to the Harvard poll from last spring, when only 34% of young American adults viewed him favorably.
Read more: Prosecuting Trump does not look like a DOJ priority under Biden's attorney general. But watch Georgia and New York.
The poll also reflected the renewed optimism that younger Americans now have compared to 2017, during Trump's first full year office. That fall, only 31% of young Americans were hopeful about the country's future — 56% of young Americans are now hopeful, a huge turnaround.
The change even more dramatic for young Black and Hispanic Americans.
In 2017, only 18% of young Black Americans said they were hopeful about the country. That figure has skyrocketed to 72% in the new survey.
Among young Hispanic Americans, 29% expressed hope for the future in 2017, a number which climbed to 69% in the latest poll.
Young Black Americans gave Biden a 77% job approval rating in the poll, followed by young Hispanic Americans with 70% approval and young white Americans with a 48% approval rating.
Similar to older adults, variations in Biden's approval rating due to geographic differences were evident in the poll.
While 69% of young Americans living in urban areas and 60% in the suburbs gave a thumbs up to Biden's job performance, the numbers declined to 51% approval among young Americans in small towns and 42% approval for young Americans in rural areas.
The Harvard Youth poll was conducted between March 9 and March 22 with 2,513 Americans aged 18 to 29.
The margin of error for the overall sample was 2.6 percentage points.

What does Biden’s approval rating have to do with anything. I’m talking about a wonk running around blaming academia, cancel culture and woke whatever that is for our problems. That is exactly what republicans say. Exactly what they say. What is the point here? I’m with him saying we need to hammer republicans for their faults more, but if the DNC messaging in carville opinion should be t he RNC messaging of anti accountability culture, I think we are in for a serious problem. It’s like no one learned anything when Dems decided to get tough on crime too. If we continue to allow republicans to frame everything we are gonna continue going rightward. Like how is this a campaign “the republicans are anti woke, anti cancel culture and anti academia, and now we are too but to a lesser extent..” like seriously what in the fuck is that.

and again there is no correlation to young people approving of Biden and James carville ridiculous presumptions about framing the Democrat party as Republican lite.

static111 · April 2021

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

They didn't? Were we watching the same election in November when a president mishandled and lied about a pandemic and came within 43,000 votes of getting reelected, by turning the country into an anti woke defund the police nation...and destroyed democrats in nearly all state government races in non blue states?

Why do you think democrats are about to get gerrymandered into oblivion next year? Because they got hammered in state govt races and republicans get to draw the districts in almost all swing states. Again. Cmon man, be real.

.....
James Carville
Right, but we can’t say, “Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what, so let’s just run as out-and-out socialists.” That’s not the smartest thing to do. And maybe tweeting that we should abolish the police isn’t the smartest thing to do because almost fucking no one wants to do that.
Here’s the deal: No matter how you look at the map, the only way Democrats can hold power is to build on their coalition, and that will have to include more rural white voters from across the country. Democrats are never going to win a majority of these voters. That’s the reality. But the difference between getting beat 80 to 20 and 72 to 28 is all the difference in the world.

And if you want the rural white vote saying we are anti cancel culture too isn’t gonna do it. Republicans are already there and they offer it to a greater extent than Dems could dream of. You want the rural white vote, get money and education into those communities and talk about how you are helping them and republicans are screwing them. Say it loud say it over and over. We are anti woke too isn’t gonna register with anyone, if they want that there is a firm that offers that times 9/11 times 1000, that’s the GQP

mickeyrat · April 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.

Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.

I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.

You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?

No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.

These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.

Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.

From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.

I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.

At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.

so you'll have to wear masks until she dies or quits? that's absurd

I don't know. I guess if the Governor comes out and says that all vaccinated people don't have to wear masks, we'd be fine. But how can he say that? In our office, we all know who has and hasn't gotten it. But in a store, unless you staple your vaccine card to your forehead, who would know if you had it or not.

The funny thing is that she herself thinks it's dumb that we have to continue to wear the masks because of her. But from the employer's perspective, I guess it's for liability reasons or something.

guess its a liability thing. really whats the difference between this small office setting and a private home?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0308-vaccinated-guidelines.html

Ledbetterman10 · April 2021

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I can't imagine being this big of a bitch about other people wearing a mask during a pandemic.

Why are people trying to make a stand against masks 13 months later? The anti maskers/vaxxers lost the battle. Give it up.

I'm not trying to make a stand against masks. I just question some of the logistics of it all. Like on Saturday for instance, we try to go into a bar (in Pennsylvania), and didn't have masks on because you can see in the window that nobody in there was wearing one. But we were told we have to walk in with a mask, and then we can take it off when we're seated. And it's not like social-distancing was really in effect because there were guys at the bar all seated next to one another without masks on. Well that makes no sense.

You went to an inside bar and didn't bring a mask?

No we had them in our pockets and would've put them on before walking in, if we couldn't see through the window about 20 people inside not wearing them. So the bartender asked us to put masks on, walked us 5 feet to a table that was like 5 feet away from the next table where people were maskless, and were told we can now take off our masks.

These are all compromise positions. Clearly the best situation is no indoor gatherings. Second is wear a mask. But you can't do that if eating/drinking so third compromise position is wear a mask inside and when moving around, at the bar and then take it off when ready to eat or drink. If you want the safest method, close the bar.

Same, I look at it as a compromise between having people masked up as much as possible, but also giving the bars & restaurants a fighting chance.

From that angle it makes perfect sense to me.

I guess I'm of the opinion, now with the vaccine available to everyone, that these sort of establishments should be able to set their own rules. Want to require a mask? Go ahead. Want to not require a mask and put a sign up saying "Masks not required, enter at your own risk." Go ahead.

At my office, there's eight of us. Seven of us got the vaccine, but one refused it. So we have to continue to wear masks in common areas because of her. We wouldn't have to wear them at all if we all had the vaccine. This may sound callous, but I say to hell with her. If she wants to run that risk, fine. It's like those of us that have done the responsible thing and got the vaccine are now required to keep the people that didn't get it safe.

so you'll have to wear masks until she dies or quits? that's absurd

I don't know. I guess if the Governor comes out and says that all vaccinated people don't have to wear masks, we'd be fine. But how can he say that? In our office, we all know who has and hasn't gotten it. But in a store, unless you staple your vaccine card to your forehead, who would know if you had it or not.

The funny thing is that she herself thinks it's dumb that we have to continue to wear the masks because of her. But from the employer's perspective, I guess it's for liability reasons or something.

guess its a liability thing. really whats the difference between this small office setting and a private home?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0308-vaccinated-guidelines.html

The difference is you can do what you want in your private home. So if mom and the kids get vaccinated, but dad doesn’t want to, mom and the kids don’t have to wear their masks around him.

mcgruff10 · April 2021

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

They didn't? Were we watching the same election in November when a president mishandled and lied about a pandemic and came within 43,000 votes of getting reelected, by turning the country into an anti woke defund the police nation...and destroyed democrats in nearly all state government races in non blue states?

Why do you think democrats are about to get gerrymandered into oblivion next year? Because they got hammered in state govt races and republicans get to draw the districts in almost all swing states. Again. Cmon man, be real.

.....
James Carville
Right, but we can’t say, “Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what, so let’s just run as out-and-out socialists.” That’s not the smartest thing to do. And maybe tweeting that we should abolish the police isn’t the smartest thing to do because almost fucking no one wants to do that.
Here’s the deal: No matter how you look at the map, the only way Democrats can hold power is to build on their coalition, and that will have to include more rural white voters from across the country. Democrats are never going to win a majority of these voters. That’s the reality. But the difference between getting beat 80 to 20 and 72 to 28 is all the difference in the world.

And if you want the rural white vote saying we are anti cancel culture too isn’t gonna do it. Republicans are already there and they offer it to a greater extent than Dems could dream of. You want the rural white vote, get money and education into those communities and talk about how you are helping them and republicans are screwing them. Say it loud say it over and over. We are anti woke too isn’t gonna register with anyone, if they want that there is a firm that offers that times 9/11 times 1000, that’s the GQP

You should read “What’s wrong with Kansas” and you ll see it isn’t as easy as that.

mace1229 · April 2021

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?

He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?
And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?

You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.
And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.

Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.

What premise? What lie? Someone just commented they thought it was odd he walked down with his mask, outside and alone. I said I agreed. What lie are you talking about?
I've been walking outside, alone without a mask for a year. There never has been any scientific reason to wear a mask when you're alone outside.

The premise of the "tweet" was to mock Biden for wearing a mask outdoors after the CDC announcement. Yet, the video and tweet failed to mention/make clear that this was the conference where he made the announcement. So he walked out, took off the mask, announced, and walked in without the mask. As Juggler pointed out, it was the symbolism of changing the guidance. And again, the tweet and the person posting the tweet sought to mock Biden when it was done perfectly.

That’s not the point, at least not to me. The point is making fun of us being told it’s okay to not have masks outside finally, when most of us have been doing that for a year and there’s never been any science against not wearing a mask outdoors to begin with.
Kind of like a few weeks ago when he said if we follow the guidelines we might be able to have a small outdoor bbq for the 4th of July. If he comes out July 3rd to say it’s okay, I’m going to laugh.
No one I’ve seen is upset over it or saying he’s bad. It’s just funny to me to make a big deal, a symbolic masked walk down to announce its okay to do what most of us already know and do.

mrussel1 · April 2021

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Posted in the coronavirus thread, but this is way too good not to be shared here as well...

https://twitter.com/thorsome1/status/1387164094487154691

Is it good? Really? A man chooses to wear a mask even though CDC changes guidance. This says a lot more about you than Biden.

Well he is vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. Couldn't he demonstrate that it's okay to not be wearing a mask in this situation? The same way Trump's behavior led people to wrongly believe the virus wasn't a big deal, Biden makes it look like you should still be worried about it even if you're, as I said, vaccinated, outdoors, and nowhere near anybody. The other day, he was on Zoom with other world leaders, and he was the only one wearing a mask. If the vaccine works, as I believe it does, what's with the mask in these two situations?

He walked to a fucking podium. There's at least ONE camera there, and likely many more, along with all of the people that surround the president. He's not walking aimlessly in a garden.
And was that zoom call outside, with no advisors anywhere near him? I would seriously doubt that.

Does it deserve front page coverage? No.
But it is funny, and without a doubt is playing to the mask vs unmask division. There is zero reason to be wearing a mask in that situation other than to make a statement. That doesn't make him a bad person or bad president. But lets not pretend it was anything else. He was not surrounded by his people, there was clearly no one within 50 feet. And at least 1 camera? How close do you think that one camera ones? Plenty far enough to not worry about it.
Like I said, I see it funny more than anything. But we don't need to pretend its anything other than what it was, making a statement.

I think it's fucking stupid. If someone wants to wear a mask, good for you. Why do I care?
And how do you know there is clearly no one within 50 feet? Is there an omni camera that I didn't see?

You can see no one is anywhere near him in the video. He walks down the walkway and clearly no one is anywhere close to him. You just have to watch the clip to know he's alone.
And I don't really care, just seems odd to me. Just like when I see someone driving alone in a car and they have a mask on jogging in the street or walking their dog. Still comes across as odd to me. No one came across as complaining or even caring, just commenting that it seems odd and pointless.

Well I hope you read the rest of the thread. Turns out that was complete misinformation. That was the conference where he announced the new guidelines, took off the mask and walked back in. So the whole premise is a fucking lie.

What premise? What lie? Someone just commented they thought it was odd he walked down with his mask, outside and alone. I said I agreed. What lie are you talking about?
I've been walking outside, alone without a mask for a year. There never has been any scientific reason to wear a mask when you're alone outside.

The premise of the "tweet" was to mock Biden for wearing a mask outdoors after the CDC announcement. Yet, the video and tweet failed to mention/make clear that this was the conference where he made the announcement. So he walked out, took off the mask, announced, and walked in without the mask. As Juggler pointed out, it was the symbolism of changing the guidance. And again, the tweet and the person posting the tweet sought to mock Biden when it was done perfectly.

That’s not the point, at least not to me. The point is making fun of us being told it’s okay to not have masks outside finally, when most of us have been doing that for a year and there’s never been any science against not wearing a mask outdoors to begin with.
Kind of like a few weeks ago when he said if we follow the guidelines we might be able to have a small outdoor bbq for the 4th of July. If he comes out July 3rd to say it’s okay, I’m going to laugh.
No one I’ve seen is upset over it or saying he’s bad. It’s just funny to me to make a big deal, a symbolic masked walk down to announce its okay to do what most of us already know and do.

So it's hilarious that Joe Biden was following CDC guidance.. Got it, makes sense.

static111 · April 2021

mcgruff10 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

static111 said:

brianlux said:

static111 said:

Is everyone that is wholeheartedly agreeing with carville over 40? I’m wondering if this is a generational worldview thing. Most of the people I know would disagree with a lot of his opinion. And they aren’t all “far left”. For instance the Latinx thing, that is something that I was unaware of until people I know who are younger than me and identify as Latinx and prefer the term explained it to me. I don’t think this is from those high falutin university teachers lounges as carville claims. I think there is a lot of societal awakening to problematic cultural norms across t he board.

It kind of mirrors the right in a way, where when there is something he can’t understand he just blames academic echelons, that actually seems to be the Teapublican playbook of the last 15 years. I hope that isn’t what he meant by messaging more like republicans.

What is today? "Everybody's in the Same Boat Day"? I was just reading something on another forum where this guy claims that everyone that has such and such are all exactly the same.
Come on static, you can do better than that weak argument. Some of us are actually capable of forming thoughts independently of such strictures.

It’s not really an argument it’s a question of if it is a generational worldview. I think a lot of millennials and under don’t read something like that and say wow this guy really hit it out of the park, woke and cancel culture are the problem. Or is it ok when a policy wonk says something like that, because I don’t remember people coming out of the woodwork wholeheartedly supporting trump for blaming academia, woke and cancel culture for everything.

They didn't? Were we watching the same election in November when a president mishandled and lied about a pandemic and came within 43,000 votes of getting reelected, by turning the country into an anti woke defund the police nation...and destroyed democrats in nearly all state government races in non blue states?

Why do you think democrats are about to get gerrymandered into oblivion next year? Because they got hammered in state govt races and republicans get to draw the districts in almost all swing states. Again. Cmon man, be real.

.....
James Carville
Right, but we can’t say, “Republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what, so let’s just run as out-and-out socialists.” That’s not the smartest thing to do. And maybe tweeting that we should abolish the police isn’t the smartest thing to do because almost fucking no one wants to do that.
Here’s the deal: No matter how you look at the map, the only way Democrats can hold power is to build on their coalition, and that will have to include more rural white voters from across the country. Democrats are never going to win a majority of these voters. That’s the reality. But the difference between getting beat 80 to 20 and 72 to 28 is all the difference in the world.

And if you want the rural white vote saying we are anti cancel culture too isn’t gonna do it. Republicans are already there and they offer it to a greater extent than Dems could dream of. You want the rural white vote, get money and education into those communities and talk about how you are helping them and republicans are screwing them. Say it loud say it over and over. We are anti woke too isn’t gonna register with anyone, if they want that there is a firm that offers that times 9/11 times 1000, that’s the GQP

You should read “What’s wrong with Kansas” and you ll see it isn’t as easy as that.

I’ll look into that thanks for the recommendation. I am hoping that is written by someone from Kansas or at least rural America. Having grown up and spent the first 20 years of my life in the far rural Midwest I do believe that it may not be as easy as telling them how bad republicans are and in turn providing real programs that economically impact people’s lives, at the same time I also don’t think that sharing messaging with republicans gets us there either. I mean look at the crisis in the policing system, while started by the republicans, democrats were very happy for a number of years to be “the other law and order party”, and I'm no genius but when you have two law and order parties you are bound to over do it. If we want a better america it has to be through different messaging than republicans, not calling out our own side using Republican framed talking points. If you have two anti cancel culture, anti woke anti academia parties we will get to a similar point as we did with law and order, but at least we will get some votes I guess...

mcgruff10 · April 2021

The author is from Kansas. It s from the W years but it really a fascinating book. I ll look in my classroom tomorrow and see if I have an extra copy to give you.

Merkin Baller · April 2021

mcgruff10 said:

The author is from Kansas. It s from the W years but it really a fascinating book. I ll look in my classroom tomorrow and see if I have an extra copy to give you.

I was just reading a description on Amazon based on your recommendation, and will be tracking a copy down at some point myself. Thanks for the suggestion.

Bentleyspop · April 2021

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