Police abuse

FiveBelow said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

cutz said:

That USA statistic is misleading. Many states require at least a 2 year degree and several departments even require 4 years. Those states that don't require post secondary education are fucked up. For reference though, MN has some of the highest standards and look what happened here in the last 5 years.

Statistic mentions nothing about population as well. Another useless Twitter meme  that people will believe automatically because they want to. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

 Rate of police killings per 10 million residents

United States 33.5

Canada** 9.8

Australia*** 8.5

The Netherlands 2.3

New Zealand**** 2

Germany**** 1.3

England and Wales 0.5

Japan**** 0.2

Iceland**** 0

Norway**** 0

Cool. Crime statistics? Amount of illegal firearms in the streets? Drugs? Etc... it’s a useless meme 

And there goes the goalpost again.

Challenging someone to think more broadly is not moving the goal posts. The funny thing about statistics is they are easy to manipulate, especially when you choose not to factor in all of the comparable data.

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it never fails. every time someone posts actual stats with something to do with gun violence in the US, someone always decides it needs "more context", which somehow explains/excuses the disparity between the US and every other nation on the planet. 

Tell me where that happened in the last 10 posts? I said the meme was shit, which it is.

tbergs said:

dignin said:

tbergs said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

cutz said:

That USA statistic is misleading. Many states require at least a 2 year degree and several departments even require 4 years. Those states that don't require post secondary education are fucked up. For reference though, MN has some of the highest standards and look what happened here in the last 5 years.

Statistic mentions nothing about population as well. Another useless Twitter meme  that people will believe automatically because they want to. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

 Rate of police killings per 10 million residents

United States 33.5

Canada** 9.8

Australia*** 8.5

The Netherlands 2.3

New Zealand**** 2

Germany**** 1.3

England and Wales 0.5

Japan**** 0.2

Iceland**** 0

Norway**** 0

Cool. Crime statistics? Amount of illegal firearms in the streets? Drugs? Etc... it’s a useless meme 

And there goes the goalpost again.

Goalposts? The standard was set by a meme which got questioned for it's conveniently misleading info. Better go buck to the locker room and get a new game plan.

Did you read the statistics I posted?

Turns out the shitty meme wasn't wrong. The stats back it up, then the goalposts moved. So I don't understand what you have a problem with. 

I'm not questioning the number of shootings. Did you read my initial criticism? The statement about qualifications was misleading.

static111 said:

tbergs said:

Anyone claiming the 2 stories were covered the same is full of shit. Excuse my vulgarity. Race related shootings get the clicks over ho-hum white shootings unless it's mass casualty (where whites have the market cornered).

mcgruff10 said:

dankind said:

tbergs said:

Anyone claiming the 2 stories were covered the same is full of shit. Excuse my vulgarity. Race related shootings get the clicks over ho-hum white shootings unless it's mass casualty (where whites have the market cornered).

Good thing no one claimed that. 

Then what were you implying in your mini rant?  Sure seemed like it to me.  

My point is you damn well know if that was a black kid and a white cop there would have been a huge outcry and this story would have been front page news for days.  There was zero reason for that cop to shoot a second time when the kid raised his knife.  Couldn’t The cop could walk backwards ten steps to avoid the knife?
the media and many posters in this forum post what they want to support their narrative.  You and I both know this. 

I think they are covered differently because there is like 300 years of marginalization and over policing of one of these demographics. I could be wrong?  Both are horrible. Unfortunately only one of the cultural groups has this kind of mistake happen at a much higher rate coupled with problems of a system that was designed against them.

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

cutz said:

That USA statistic is misleading. Many states require at least a 2 year degree and several departments even require 4 years. Those states that don't require post secondary education are fucked up. For reference though, MN has some of the highest standards and look what happened here in the last 5 years.

Statistic mentions nothing about population as well. Another useless Twitter meme  that people will believe automatically because they want to. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

 Rate of police killings per 10 million residents

United States 33.5

Canada** 9.8

Australia*** 8.5

The Netherlands 2.3

New Zealand**** 2

Germany**** 1.3

England and Wales 0.5

Japan**** 0.2

Iceland**** 0

Norway**** 0

dignin said:

FiveBelow said:

dignin said:

FiveBelow said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

cutz said:

That USA statistic is misleading. Many states require at least a 2 year degree and several departments even require 4 years. Those states that don't require post secondary education are fucked up. For reference though, MN has some of the highest standards and look what happened here in the last 5 years.

Statistic mentions nothing about population as well. Another useless Twitter meme  that people will believe automatically because they want to. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

 Rate of police killings per 10 million residents

United States 33.5

Canada** 9.8

Australia*** 8.5

The Netherlands 2.3

New Zealand**** 2

Germany**** 1.3

England and Wales 0.5

Japan**** 0.2

Iceland**** 0

Norway**** 0

Cool. Crime statistics? Amount of illegal firearms in the streets? Drugs? Etc... it’s a useless meme 

And there goes the goalpost again.

Challenging someone to think more broadly is not moving the goal posts. The funny thing about statistics is they are easy to manipulate, especially when you choose not to factor in all of the comparable data.

Are you arguing that the stats I posted are factually incorrect? 

I am questioning if other factors such as guns or crimes may have something to do with why the numbers are inflated. Both of those things lead to more interaction with the police and ultimately more deaths, one would assume. 

Of course they would to a degree. My response was directly related to this comment "Statistic mentions nothing about population as well".

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I thought all of those “responsible” gun owners with multiple firearms in their possession made US safer? Wayne LaPue has been lying to us all this time? “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” Is that not true?

It's true, but everyone is a good guy that legally owns a gun

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cblock4life said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

CM189191 said:

Kim Potter....another responsible gun owner!

I own a gun and like blunts.  Should I be murdered for an air freshener hanging from my rearview mirror?



The reason this pisses me off so much is because a similar scenario happened to me.  Pulled over in MN for an air freshener.  One of those stupid little pine trees.

I'm driving home from Des Moines to Minneapolis.  I got my car washed in Iowa.  They put the air freshener there, being unfamiliar with MN air freshener laws.  I was a recent transplant, also unfamiliar with MN air freshener law.   

Cop comes up to the car and the air freshener was an obvious excuse to stick his nose in my car and start poking around.  He starts asking questions, trying find something, anything to pin on me.  Unnecessarily and intentionally trying to get me riled up. 

I'm professional, and was wearing a suit at the time.  Being fresh out of college, they question me for being too young to be so professional.  So many questions: who are you, where are you going, anything in the car, and so on.  

It was never about the air freshener.  It was about harassing someone just trying to get home from work.

I'd be pissed too if I were you in that scenario. And nobody think he should've been shot. But let's throw out the notion that it was an accidental discharge, and go with the popular narrative around here that cops hunt black people and want to murder them. And as a lot of people say, even if you comply, you can still get killed. Alright, well then if you don't comply, you're likely going to get killed. So why resist and put yourself at the mercy of racist cops?  I don't know. It's horrible that he shot like that and the cop should face major consequences. But while you both got pulled for air-fresheners (which is dumb in it's own right), you didn't have an active warrant that would require an arrest. And if you did, I doubt you're trying to break from the handcuffs and speed away. 

Literally no one has said that around here.  What has been said over and over is that there is racism inherent in our policing system and that for some reason(racism) cops are more scared of their lives at a traffic stop with People of Color than they are with white mass shooters.  People the. Bend over backwards to come up with any theory they can that doesn’t point to the issue, which is systemic racism and bad policing.  Then obfuscate the facts with made up anecdotes about hunting people...

That's fair enough, I attributed a LeBron James quote to this place based on a similar sentiments, which I shouldn't do.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1258156220969398272?s=20

Is that not true? Are you that fucking blind? To inherent, systemic racism through all levels of ‘Murican society? From birth to death, no less.

Is it true that black people are, as James says here, "literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!"? No, it's not.  

Do you not think that every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive? Do you worry about that yourself? Probably not because I assume that you're white. That's what white privilege is.

Y'all acting like this is just one instance and want to isolate it as such, to make it seem that its not "systemic" or a "problem." If they had only complied. Fucking George Floyd complied and was murdered. Breonna Taylor was sleeping in her bed. Ahmaud Arbery was out for a jog. James Byrd was walking home. In 1998. Not all killed by cops but if nobody noticed, would there have been consequences?

And y'all should go back to page 1 of this thread and read forward. One of the OP's outrages had to do with someone who was beaten to death by cops (not arguing it was okay). He had somewhere around 96 previous run ins with law enforcement. And he was white. 96 > 2. Can't even go to church without looking over their shoulder. Hunted? Seems like it.

If you want the truth then you need to speak with an array of black people (not LeBron James). Not all feel like they’re “hunted” but they do know they’re treated differently (just like women).  Black people teach their children to be aware at all times and they hear it from the time they’re little.  They’re probably scared to death and full of hate towards all cops. One good cop will not erase a lifetime of racism, discrimination, or simply being taught their “true” history.  What should black parents do?  

So, again a one year old black child with no father.  It’s an ugly vicious circle and if you believe this child will grow up loving and respecting cops it’s not going to happen.  Talk to black convicts and they unanimously admit that their upbringing totally affected the rest of their lives (see they don’t blame whites for everything).  In order to change our opinions we need to look at all factors not just the ones we understand or agree with. 

See, here's how it really is. Not hyperbolic bullshit that "every time a black person leaves their home, they wonder if they'll come home alive."

Why do black parents teach their children how to behave outside the home, particularly around law enforcement encounters? "Hyperbolic bullshit."

dankind said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/17/brooklyn-center-protests-police-round-up-journalists/7268057002/