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  • static111
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    I don't know, this stuff is just crazy and does not help.

    Wright’s family has stated that they will be unsatisfied with anything short of murder charges against Potter. “Prosecute them, like they would prosecute us,” Nyesha Wright, the victim’s aunt, said at a Tuesday news conference. “We want the highest justice.”

    Ben Crump, an attorney for Wright’s family, likened Potter’s shooting of the 20-year-old to an “execution” and expressed disbelief that Potter, a 26-year veteran of policing, could allegedly mistake a gun for a Taser.

    “While we appreciate that the district attorney is pursuing justice for Daunte, no conviction can give the Wright family their loved one back,” Crump said in a statement Wednesday. “This was no accident. This was an intentional, deliberate, and unlawful use of force.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/14/daunte-wright-shooting-charging-decision/


    That’s my point about Black leaders meeting us halfway in this case. This is not the time to be screaming Potter is a racist murderer. Anyone who watched that video should be able to understand her mistake, considering she just learned Wright had a gun crime on his record and he initiated illegal force against her

    Wright put himself in this position by breaking the law multiple times. A Black leader needs to tell his people, “hey this unfortunate incident was partially caused by a young man and the dangerous decisions he made over the course of two years. And let’s have a moment of silence for all of the White victims of police murder, who outnumber black victims two to one.”
    Who is this Us that Black leaders should meet halfway?
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  • static111
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    eddiec said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    static111 said:
    Here’s a good thread about some of the problems we have that could be easily fixed.  


    Maybe

    It's also a stupid MN law:

    https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/169.71

    Prohibitions generally; exceptions. (a) A person shall not drive or operate any motor vehicle with:
    (2) any objects suspended between the driver and the windshield
    There should be a whole division that deals with minor infractions that don’t carry lethal weapons and can’t issue any other citations than the one being stopped for.  
    I hear you but you never know who you’re pulling over. Plenty of examples of very minor traffic stops resulting in cops getting shot at. I recently got pulled over for having a mask hanging on the rear view mirror. I never keep it there I just happened to hang it up in between some errands. 
    Would people be so worried and high stress if they knew that traffic cops were only responsible for traffic and other vehicle infractions and couldn’t expand their scope beyond what they are pulling someone over for? Probably not.  I mean let’s say I have a trash bag of weed in my trunk and I get pulled over for expired tags and know that I can only get a ticket for a traffic violation, tags, etc. I’m not gonna have an oh shot moment, I’m gonna take my ticket and go.


    You’re admitting if we keep enforcement off of the roads, crime will rise dramatically. Once criminals know there is limited enforcement on the roads , it’s gang land Chicago all over again.
    How so? And do you think that is a problem with the US in general? I ask because of all the countries I've been/lived in, it's the US that has the largest police presence monitoring roads. I've driven in many countries and currently live in a foreign country and it's not the Wild West on the roads.
    It's absolute overkill in the states and a waste of tax dollars.
    It’s a revenue generating machine apparatus, bureaucracy on wheels with flashers basically.
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  • static111
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    The lack of empathy for our fellow citizens that are mistreated by state sanctioned violence on this thread makes me sick.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    the for-profit prison system is a pretty fucked up part of this, for sure. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    The lack of empathy for our fellow citizens that are mistreated by state sanctioned violence on this thread makes me sick.  
    +1

    But institutional racism doesn’t exist. If they had just complied.
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  • OnWis97
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    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
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  • CM189191
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    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.


    I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    ^this


    tbergs - if your take away from my comment was 'why didn't the cops shoot this guy too?', maybe you want to reflect on that a bit
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    static111 said:
    The lack of empathy for our fellow citizens that are mistreated by state sanctioned violence on this thread makes me sick.  
    do we really need to go all moral high ground on this? I don't think that is really all that constructive to enlightening people to your viewpoint. 
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  • gvn2fly1421
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    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.
  • static111
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    static111 said:
    The lack of empathy for our fellow citizens that are mistreated by state sanctioned violence on this thread makes me sick.  
    do we really need to go all moral high ground on this? I don't think that is really all that constructive to enlightening people to your viewpoint. 
    If institutional racism and state sanctioned extra judicial killings isn’t a moral issue I don’t know what is?  If someone doesn’t have qualms about this I would suggest they aren’t as moral as they would like to believe.
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  • CM189191
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    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
    ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report
    • African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations 
    • African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
    • African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession. 
    • African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
  • mace1229
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    CM189191 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
    ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report
    • African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations 
    • African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
    • African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession. 
    • African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
    I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration.  And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    I know that numbers are better than anecdotes but I don't know that we have stats on that. You can blame the establishment MSM if you want, but when you see the say people like Dylan Roof are brought in vs. what happens to the many household names of deceased blacks, I think common sense tells you something.

    (Bold) Yes, it's probably statistically unlikely that if you're black, you're going to die unarmed at the hands of police. I've see the same argument for school shootings and terrorism. Statistically, you (/your kids) are unlikely to die in these events.  

    I don't think these low likelihoods mean we shouldn't address gun violence or terrorism. And I don't think it means police shouldn't do better are distinguishing guns from wallets, cell phones, and stun guns in the presence of black men. And if you don't see a difference, you don't want to.
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  • mickeyrat
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    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
    ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report
    • African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations 
    • African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
    • African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession. 
    • African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
    I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration.  And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.

    Ive been cited for no proof ins. never arrested for it.
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  • gvn2fly1421
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    OnWis97 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    I know that numbers are better than anecdotes but I don't know that we have stats on that. You can blame the establishment MSM if you want, but when you see the say people like Dylan Roof are brought in vs. what happens to the many household names of deceased blacks, I think common sense tells you something.

    (Bold) Yes, it's probably statistically unlikely that if you're black, you're going to die unarmed at the hands of police. I've see the same argument for school shootings and terrorism. Statistically, you (/your kids) are unlikely to die in these events.  

    I don't think these low likelihoods mean we shouldn't address gun violence or terrorism. And I don't think it means police shouldn't do better are distinguishing guns from wallets, cell phones, and stun guns in the presence of black men. And if you don't see a difference, you don't want to.
    I agree totally.  The problem seems to be, the way we are "addressing" these things is burning these cities to the ground.  That is not productive.
  • mace1229
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    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
    ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report
    • African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations 
    • African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
    • African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession. 
    • African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
    I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration.  And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.

    Ive been cited for no proof ins. never arrested for it.
    You're right. In my mind I was thinking "ticketed" even though you said arrested. 
  • gvn2fly1421
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    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    tbergs said:
    So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
    The white narrative is “ he should have complied.”  But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive.  It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.

    And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
    Do you have numbers to back up this claim?  I would like to know:

    1.  How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans?  Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines.  Same for number of interactions with white people?
    2.  How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing?  Same with white people?
    3.  How many black people have been killed by law enforcement?  If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great.  Same with white people?  Armed and unarmed.

    I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent.  But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.

    Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
    ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report
    • African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations 
    • African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
    • African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession. 
    • African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
    I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration.  And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.

    Ive been cited for no proof ins. never arrested for it.
    Looking over my towns booking log daily, I never see anyone get arrested SOLELY for no proof of insurance.  There are always other charges that accompany it.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited April 2021
    Arrested for no insurance seems so ridiculous it does make me wonder if there are other factors. Like a suspended license and no insurance, and the arrest charge listed both? And thus included in this stat. Arresting people just on no insurance alone seems excessive if that is what happened in all of those cases.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,408
    mace1229 said:
    Arrested for no insurance seems so ridiculous it does make me wonder if there are other factors. Like a suspended license and no insurance, and the arrest charge listed both? And thus included in this stat. Arresting people just on no insurance alone seems excessive if that is what happened in all of those cases.

    those arent criminal offenses.......

    traffic cases
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
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    You are missing the point...  Went and looked at the booking log for today in my town.  First arrest was made to a white man and the charges are:

    ALTERNG,FALSFYNG,FORGNG AUTO TITLES/ASSGNMNT PLATE
    2500
    TRAFFIC - OPERATOR OR CHAUFFER LICENSE REQUIRED
    0
    COMPLIANCE W/ FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (INSURANCE)
    0

    So he got the insurance slapped on to the other charges.  I am guessing that is what happens in these cases.  They are not arrested SOLELY for lack of insurance.

    Edited to add another set from a black female yesterday....

    DRUGS - SIMPLE POSSESSION/CASUAL EXCHANGE
    250
    TRAFFIC - SPEEDING
    0
    COMPLIANCE W/ FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY (INSURANCE)
    0

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