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You can 100% be arrested for driving on a suspended license. What are they going to do, write you a ticket and send you driving home on a suspended license?mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:Arrested for no insurance seems so ridiculous it does make me wonder if there are other factors. Like a suspended license and no insurance, and the arrest charge listed both? And thus included in this stat. Arresting people just on no insurance alone seems excessive if that is what happened in all of those cases.those arent criminal offenses.......traffic cases0 -
And I'm not arguing if that 5 times more likely to be arrested for no insurance was accurate or not. I was just saying I wanted more information but was unable to read the article. If black people in that county drive uninsured 5 times more often, it would make sense they get arrested 5 times more.
I also looked it up, in my state you can be arrested for no insurance. But says it is unlikely if it is your first time without incident. Arrests usually come with repeat offenders or if you were involved in an accident. I don't know what the data is so I can't comment, but was just mentioning it would be worth knowing the non-insured difference between races if you're going to compare that data. It would make the point a whole lot stronger if the uninsured rate was the same while on the other hand make that stat completely useless if there was a large difference. Its worth knowing is all I was saying, and I don't know what it is.
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I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration. And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.CM189191 said:gvn2fly1421 said:
Do you have numbers to back up this claim? I would like to know:OnWis97 said:
The white narrative is “ he should have complied.” But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive. It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.tbergs said:So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
1. How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans? Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines. Same for number of interactions with white people?
2. How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing? Same with white people?
3. How many black people have been killed by law enforcement? If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great. Same with white people? Armed and unarmed.
I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent. But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its PolicingACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-29/minneapolis-has-major-racial-disparities-in-its-policing-according-to-a-new-aclu-report- African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations
- African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
- African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession.
- African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
https://www.aclu.org/issues/racial-justice/race-and-criminal-justice/picking-pieces?redirect=feature/picking-pieces
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So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury0 -
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static111 said:
In your mind expired plates, broken taillight, etc = gang land lol I can see why you think things are good as they areLerxst1992 said:static111 said:
Would people be so worried and high stress if they knew that traffic cops were only responsible for traffic and other vehicle infractions and couldn’t expand their scope beyond what they are pulling someone over for? Probably not. I mean let’s say I have a trash bag of weed in my trunk and I get pulled over for expired tags and know that I can only get a ticket for a traffic violation, tags, etc. I’m not gonna have an oh shot moment, I’m gonna take my ticket and go.nicknyr15 said:
I hear you but you never know who you’re pulling over. Plenty of examples of very minor traffic stops resulting in cops getting shot at. I recently got pulled over for having a mask hanging on the rear view mirror. I never keep it there I just happened to hang it up in between some errands.static111 said:
There should be a whole division that deals with minor infractions that don’t carry lethal weapons and can’t issue any other citations than the one being stopped for.CM189191 said:static111 said:Here’s a good thread about some of the problems we have that could be easily fixed.
Maybe
It's also a stupid MN law:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/169.71Prohibitions generally; exceptions. (a) A person shall not drive or operate any motor vehicle with:(2) any objects suspended between the driver and the windshieldYou’re admitting if we keep enforcement off of the roads, crime will rise dramatically. Once criminals know there is limited enforcement on the roads , it’s gang land Chicago all over again.Heaven forbid someone you know is run over and suffers a terrible injury while an eyewitness has the plate ID yet they are bogus plates and the perpetrator gets away. We are all expected to drive with proper plates for a reason.0 -
Goddamn MSM and their race-baiting: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/peyton-ham-maryland-trooper-shooting/index.html; https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/teen-shot-maryland-state-police/2021/04/13/11592354-9cb2-11eb-b7a8-014b14aeb9e4_story.html; https://abcnews.go.com/US/maryland-state-trooper-fatally-shoots-16-year-responding/story?id=77058264
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Who is this Us that Black leaders should meet halfway?Lerxst1992 said:tbergs said:I don't know, this stuff is just crazy and does not help.
Wright’s family has stated that they will be unsatisfied with anything short of murder charges against Potter. “Prosecute them, like they would prosecute us,” Nyesha Wright, the victim’s aunt, said at a Tuesday news conference. “We want the highest justice.”Ben Crump, an attorney for Wright’s family, likened Potter’s shooting of the 20-year-old to an “execution” and expressed disbelief that Potter, a 26-year veteran of policing, could allegedly mistake a gun for a Taser.
“While we appreciate that the district attorney is pursuing justice for Daunte, no conviction can give the Wright family their loved one back,” Crump said in a statement Wednesday. “This was no accident. This was an intentional, deliberate, and unlawful use of force.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/14/daunte-wright-shooting-charging-decision/
That’s my point about Black leaders meeting us halfway in this case. This is not the time to be screaming Potter is a racist murderer. Anyone who watched that video should be able to understand her mistake, considering she just learned Wright had a gun crime on his record and he initiated illegal force against her
Wright put himself in this position by breaking the law multiple times. A Black leader needs to tell his people, “hey this unfortunate incident was partially caused by a young man and the dangerous decisions he made over the course of two years. And let’s have a moment of silence for all of the White victims of police murder, who outnumber black victims two to one.”American residents who take care and effort to follow the laws that attempt to keep us safe. Both sides in this horrible incident should be held accountable.0 -
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial juryBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
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big bags of soup. LOLjerparker20 said:Whatever your thoughts, this is some next level trolling...
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HughFreakingDillon said:
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial juryRacism in America is horrible. It disgusts me. I have family who voted for trump and I can no longer look them in the eyes. Do you experience that in Matt Good Country ? ( I know, not BC
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But concerned citizens should be able to distinguish the significant differences between Chauvin and Potter. Women screaming at us on TV that Potter is a racist murderer is no way for the country to get this right. And defund the police came within 0.00001% of getting trump four more years, when many “experts” mistakenly thought Biden would coast to any easy win. We all want more trump? Accountability for all matters.0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?0 -
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Halifax2TheMax said:
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
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At what point do you think they were harassing him?CM189191 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
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Guess the cops need more MRAPS and at least 6 officers to arrest someone?mace1229 said:
Was it his first time cuffing someone?
At what point do you think they were harassing him?CM189191 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.Lerxst1992 said:dankind said:
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.Lerxst1992 said:cblock4life said:Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun
2- ran from police (then, not now)
3- ignored an order to appear in court
4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk)
5- forcefully resisted arrest
6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car
7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial juryRacism in America is horrible. It disgusts me. I have family who voted for trump and I can no longer look them in the eyes. Do you experience that in Matt Good Country ? ( I know, not BC )
But concerned citizens should be able to distinguish the significant differences between Chauvin and Potter. Women screaming at us on TV that Potter is a racist murderer is no way for the country to get this right. And defund the police came within 0.00001% of getting trump four more years, when many “experts” mistakenly thought Biden would coast to any easy win. We all want more trump? Accountability for all matters.
The problem with the racism discussion is that it's far too nuanced for just about any setting/medium. Race plays a role that is more than just cops that routinely drop n-bombs and have confederate flags and swastikas in their rec rooms. It's about imbedded biases that lead someone to decide that their life is in danger because "he's black." I don't know anything about Potter but let's assume she didn't have a history of overt racism. Hell, let's assume she voted for Obama and was horrified by Trump. Liberals, too, have these pre-conceived notions and fears that lead them to react poorly in the heat of the moment in the presence of black men.
Lower-hanging fruit - find a way to keep Kyle Rittenhouse and those like him from becoming cops.
Trickier problem - Ridding the culture of biases and systemic racism.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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