Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The media is odd.
There’s a picture posted on Twitter he is a black man.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
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Latest Capitol attack reignites debate over security, fencing in D.C.; family of suspect expresses sympathy for officer killed
Capitol Hill residents say neighborhood 'feels battered' after attack
For
residents of this city that has been under occupation for months, the
arrival of spring brought a sense that life here might finally be
getting lighter.
The
weather had warmed, the cherry trees had blossomed and the fencing that
had fortressed the District’s power centers since the violent
insurrection on Jan. 6 was beginning to fall away.
But on Friday afternoon, the dread came back after a man crashed his vehicle into two police officers outside the U.S. Capitol.
The
attack that left one officer dead and the assailant fatally shot by
police reignited the ongoing political debate over how to keep Congress
safe nearly three months after the Capitol riots.
The car that struck two Capitol Police officers is towed on Friday. (Amanda Andrade-Rhoades for The Washington Post)
On
Saturday, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) said the
recent attack “has only added to the need to address security at the
Capitol in a comprehensive way.”
“Senate
Committees are already conducting bipartisan and extensive reviews to
ensure the Capitol is as secure as possible while also remaining
accessible to the public,” Schumer said. “We are fully committed to
ensuring the Capitol is safe for visitors and all who work here.”
The
same day, the family of the suspect, Noah Green, released a statement
saying the young man was “not a terrorist by any means.” He had been
studying for his master’s degree in business administration but had also
suffered from “depression and potential mental illness.” After
graduating college, the family statement said, “he began to experience
hardships among his peers” that may have stemmed from repeated head
trauma during his years playing football, including as a defensive back
at Christopher Newport University.
Green
was identified as the suspect by several people familiar with the
investigation. Police have not yet officially released the assailant’s
identity.
Green’s
family said they are “very shocked and upset” by the attack and that
they “feel great sympathy” for William “Billy” Evans, an 18-year Capitol
Police veteran who was killed, and the officer who was injured. They
learned about what had happened through the news, the family said, and
were “were just as taken aback as the rest of the nation from this
horrific event.”
For Capitol Hill residents, the incident Friday afternoon forced a flood of familiar feelings back to the forefront.
Josh
Martin, a 43-year-old lobbyist who has worked on and around the Hill
for decades, said he was running errands in Virginia when his phone
started buzzing with calls and texts from co-workers. He turned on the
radio, checked Twitter for updates and began worrying for his wife and
young daughter, who were at the family’s home just a few blocks from the
Capitol near Stanton Park.
“What happened on January 6 was pretty scary,” Martin said.
Friday afternoon brought back the “same feeling,” he said. “Like, not again.”
Capitol Police were also mourning as tragedy struck the force yet again.
Evans
is the second Capitol Police officer to die in the line of duty this
year; Officer Brian D. Sicknick died of injuries he suffered fighting a
riotous mob during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol. Four
civilians died in that riot and two police officers who were there later
died by suicide. Authorities and Evans’s family have not yet announced
memorial or funeral plans. Sicknick was honored during a service at the
Capitol.
On
Saturday, Capitol Police said on Twitter that the department “is deeply
grateful for the support we’ve received from around the world. We wish
we could respond to each one of you. Please know your sympathy is
appreciated beyond words.”
Miles of fencing went up months ago in response to homegrown threats to the seat of democracy.
There
is bipartisan opposition to permanent fencing around the Capitol,
though Democrats have been more measured in calling for it to be taken
down, deferring to ongoing security reviews, while Republicans have
seized on the fencing as evidence of Democratic overreaction. Residents
of the usually quiet and idyllic neighborhoods near the Capitol have
hoped that fencing and military Guardsmen will not become their
permanent new normal.
House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has maintained for weeks that she will
support the recommendations of retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who led a
task force to look at Capitol security after the insurrection. The
task force’s report in March found numerous security “deficiencies” at
the Capitol and called for an additional 854 Capitol Police positions,
as well as increased screening and various types of fencing around the
area.
After the attack Friday, Honoré reiterated that the Capitol remains a target around-the-clock.
“Any
time of the day, 24/7, the Capitol could be attacked,” Honoré said on
CNBC, “and it could be domestic, it could be foreign.”
The
House is in the process of finalizing an approximately $2 billion
security supplemental for equipment and personnel for the Capitol
police, according to a senior Democratic aide, who spoke on the
condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
Rep.
Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), who chairs the subcommittee that oversees the
Capitol Police, said Friday’s attack on the Capitol will renew
conversations about the security needs. Ryan has been the rare member of
Congress who has called for military fencing.
“From
my vantage point, I just think we’ve got to be very careful as we move
forward, that we can’t get too far ahead of ourselves without knowing
that we have the ability to protect the Capitol,” Ryan said in a virtual
press briefing Friday.
But Republicans, including top leadership, have criticized the security measures already in place.
Last
month, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said “there are
no serious threats against the Capitol” and said Congress was “way
overreacting to the current need.” He said the fencing — which at the
time enclosed all congressional office buildings, the Library of
Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court — reminded him of a war zone.
“I’m extremely uncomfortable with the fact that my constituents can’t come to the Capitol,” McConnell said.
Freshman
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) last month posed by a sign outside
the Capitol that said, mockingly, “Welcome to FORT PELOSI” and tweeted
that it was “time for this wall around the Capitol to come down!”
The
location of the attack Friday, known as the North Barricade, is across
the street from the Russell Senate Office Building and until recently
had been hidden behind additional layers of fencing.
On
Saturday morning, work crews were placing concrete barriers there along
the inside of the fencing as visitors and residents walked the
perimeter of the Capitol grounds.
“How close would we normally be able to get to the Capitol?” one young man asked his tour group.
Another
woman whispered to a friend about the parishioners who had been
celebrating Good Friday at St. Joseph’s, across the street from the
Capitol, when chaos once again unfolded outside.
“I
hope this isn’t the new normal, where all of this is blocked off and
citizens or tourists can’t get in,” said Jackson Shuttleworth, 30, who
had traveled to D.C. from Pittsburgh for a weekend getaway with his wife
and baby. The appeal of the nation’s capital, he said, has always been
its walkability and continuity.
Susan
Haid, 65, paused on East Capitol Street between the Library of Congress
and the U.S. Supreme Court to take a picture of the Capitol dome
through thick, black fencing. It was the first time she had been in D.C.
since last fall, before it was locked down.
“It’s
really distressing,” she said. “It brings literal tears to my eyes to
think we’re America and this is how we are now. And the family of the
officer? There’s no words for that.”
“Another sad day for Washington,” Haid added. “It’s like spring juxtaposed with terror.”
The
mood among Hill residents matched that of the dozens of National Guard
members and law enforcement officers who had to resume their security
posts after another targeted attack on their ranks. They mostly stood
far back from the edge of the fencing, looking out at the passersby but
not engaging.
But
late Saturday morning, Bill Sutton, 68, and Sydnye Pettengill, 62, rode
their bicycles up to the fence’s edge on First Street and climbed off.
They had ridden into the city from Alexandria, picking up a bouquet of
yellow and purple flowers on the way. They had been thinking about
leaving a peaceful token there already, something that would hark back
to the symbolism of the Vietnam War protester who slid a carnation into
the barrel of a soldier’s rifle.
“And then yesterday happened,” Sutton said, “and it just added more profundity to the whole thing.”
So
together, they lifted their own flowers above their heads and began
weaving the stems into the fencing. And one of the officers walked up to
greet them, helping from the other side
Paul Kane, Peter Hermann, Justin Jouvenal and Jennifer Jenkins contributed to this report.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
sure, once you get owned, change what your stated point was.
all you said was "except this to get zero coverage....doesn't fit the narrative" and you were proven wrong. again.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
sure, once you get owned, change what your stated point was.
all you said was "except this to get zero coverage....doesn't fit the narrative" and you were proven wrong. again.
WHOOSH, indeed.
In his defense it may not have had any coverage in Texas. Or on focksnooze Or in the daily stormer
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
sure, once you get owned, change what your stated point was.
all you said was "except this to get zero coverage....doesn't fit the narrative" and you were proven wrong. again.
WHOOSH, indeed.
He meant that it would get all day all night round the clock coverage which it did not. It's off to the next story.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.
Aren't we always going on about words matter and such? Also are we to believe that the news media doesn't have an angle?
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
all top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election. Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
It is definitely an interesting approach. It will be illegal for some adults and legal for others. I think it will get weird when you have a 31 year old that can smoke legally and a 30 year old that cannot. Again, I hate cigarettes, but I’m not sure this will have the intended results down the road. What motivates people to smoke in the first place? Unless the motivation is gone, people will continue to do it unless they flat out eradicate it, which they could probably actually do on the little island. Liberty is not without its caveats, but how much removal of liberty is acceptable by a society before they are considered oppressed? I feel like there is a fragile balance between the two.
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,695
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?
I would agree.
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A radical idea, but one that merits further thought.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?
I would agree.
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I agree. Which is why I see banning cigarettes much like the same. We've tried banning certain things and didnt work. I don't see how this would be any different or better.
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?
I would agree.
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
I can see the banning guns, sure. I don't like it though.
Banning cigarettes? I get it but I don't like it.
What else would they take next? It would be interesting to see what happens. Alcohol next? Bungee jumping?
Just curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor. Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?
I would agree.
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
I can see the banning guns, sure. I don't like it though.
Banning cigarettes? I get it but I don't like it.
What else would they take next? It would be interesting to see what happens. Alcohol next? Bungee jumping?
Take? You stated previously that New Zealanders willingly gave up their guns.
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Latest Capitol attack reignites debate over security, fencing in D.C.; family of suspect expresses sympathy for officer killed
For residents of this city that has been under occupation for months, the arrival of spring brought a sense that life here might finally be getting lighter.
The weather had warmed, the cherry trees had blossomed and the fencing that had fortressed the District’s power centers since the violent insurrection on Jan. 6 was beginning to fall away.
But on Friday afternoon, the dread came back after a man crashed his vehicle into two police officers outside the U.S. Capitol.
The attack that left one officer dead and the assailant fatally shot by police reignited the ongoing political debate over how to keep Congress safe nearly three months after the Capitol riots.
On Saturday, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) said the recent attack “has only added to the need to address security at the Capitol in a comprehensive way.”
“Senate Committees are already conducting bipartisan and extensive reviews to ensure the Capitol is as secure as possible while also remaining accessible to the public,” Schumer said. “We are fully committed to ensuring the Capitol is safe for visitors and all who work here.”
The same day, the family of the suspect, Noah Green, released a statement saying the young man was “not a terrorist by any means.” He had been studying for his master’s degree in business administration but had also suffered from “depression and potential mental illness.” After graduating college, the family statement said, “he began to experience hardships among his peers” that may have stemmed from repeated head trauma during his years playing football, including as a defensive back at Christopher Newport University.
Green was identified as the suspect by several people familiar with the investigation. Police have not yet officially released the assailant’s identity.
Green’s family said they are “very shocked and upset” by the attack and that they “feel great sympathy” for William “Billy” Evans, an 18-year Capitol Police veteran who was killed, and the officer who was injured. They learned about what had happened through the news, the family said, and were “were just as taken aback as the rest of the nation from this horrific event.”
Family and friends concerned Noah Green was unraveling before Capitol attack
For Capitol Hill residents, the incident Friday afternoon forced a flood of familiar feelings back to the forefront.
Josh Martin, a 43-year-old lobbyist who has worked on and around the Hill for decades, said he was running errands in Virginia when his phone started buzzing with calls and texts from co-workers. He turned on the radio, checked Twitter for updates and began worrying for his wife and young daughter, who were at the family’s home just a few blocks from the Capitol near Stanton Park.
“What happened on January 6 was pretty scary,” Martin said.
Friday afternoon brought back the “same feeling,” he said. “Like, not again.”
Capitol Police were also mourning as tragedy struck the force yet again.
Evans is the second Capitol Police officer to die in the line of duty this year; Officer Brian D. Sicknick died of injuries he suffered fighting a riotous mob during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol. Four civilians died in that riot and two police officers who were there later died by suicide. Authorities and Evans’s family have not yet announced memorial or funeral plans. Sicknick was honored during a service at the Capitol.
On Saturday, Capitol Police said on Twitter that the department “is deeply grateful for the support we’ve received from around the world. We wish we could respond to each one of you. Please know your sympathy is appreciated beyond words.”
Miles of fencing went up months ago in response to homegrown threats to the seat of democracy.
There is bipartisan opposition to permanent fencing around the Capitol, though Democrats have been more measured in calling for it to be taken down, deferring to ongoing security reviews, while Republicans have seized on the fencing as evidence of Democratic overreaction. Residents of the usually quiet and idyllic neighborhoods near the Capitol have hoped that fencing and military Guardsmen will not become their permanent new normal.
U.S. Capitol Police Officer William ‘Billy’ Evans killed in the line of duty
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has maintained for weeks that she will support the recommendations of retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who led a task force to look at Capitol security after the insurrection. The task force’s report in March found numerous security “deficiencies” at the Capitol and called for an additional 854 Capitol Police positions, as well as increased screening and various types of fencing around the area.
After the attack Friday, Honoré reiterated that the Capitol remains a target around-the-clock.
“Any time of the day, 24/7, the Capitol could be attacked,” Honoré said on CNBC, “and it could be domestic, it could be foreign.”
The House is in the process of finalizing an approximately $2 billion security supplemental for equipment and personnel for the Capitol police, according to a senior Democratic aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), who chairs the subcommittee that oversees the Capitol Police, said Friday’s attack on the Capitol will renew conversations about the security needs. Ryan has been the rare member of Congress who has called for military fencing.
“From my vantage point, I just think we’ve got to be very careful as we move forward, that we can’t get too far ahead of ourselves without knowing that we have the ability to protect the Capitol,” Ryan said in a virtual press briefing Friday.
But Republicans, including top leadership, have criticized the security measures already in place.
Last month, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said “there are no serious threats against the Capitol” and said Congress was “way overreacting to the current need.” He said the fencing — which at the time enclosed all congressional office buildings, the Library of Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court — reminded him of a war zone.
“I’m extremely uncomfortable with the fact that my constituents can’t come to the Capitol,” McConnell said.
One officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police
Freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) last month posed by a sign outside the Capitol that said, mockingly, “Welcome to FORT PELOSI” and tweeted that it was “time for this wall around the Capitol to come down!”
The location of the attack Friday, known as the North Barricade, is across the street from the Russell Senate Office Building and until recently had been hidden behind additional layers of fencing.
On Saturday morning, work crews were placing concrete barriers there along the inside of the fencing as visitors and residents walked the perimeter of the Capitol grounds.
“How close would we normally be able to get to the Capitol?” one young man asked his tour group.
Another woman whispered to a friend about the parishioners who had been celebrating Good Friday at St. Joseph’s, across the street from the Capitol, when chaos once again unfolded outside.
“I hope this isn’t the new normal, where all of this is blocked off and citizens or tourists can’t get in,” said Jackson Shuttleworth, 30, who had traveled to D.C. from Pittsburgh for a weekend getaway with his wife and baby. The appeal of the nation’s capital, he said, has always been its walkability and continuity.
Susan Haid, 65, paused on East Capitol Street between the Library of Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court to take a picture of the Capitol dome through thick, black fencing. It was the first time she had been in D.C. since last fall, before it was locked down.
“It’s really distressing,” she said. “It brings literal tears to my eyes to think we’re America and this is how we are now. And the family of the officer? There’s no words for that.”
“Another sad day for Washington,” Haid added. “It’s like spring juxtaposed with terror.”
The mood among Hill residents matched that of the dozens of National Guard members and law enforcement officers who had to resume their security posts after another targeted attack on their ranks. They mostly stood far back from the edge of the fencing, looking out at the passersby but not engaging.
But late Saturday morning, Bill Sutton, 68, and Sydnye Pettengill, 62, rode their bicycles up to the fence’s edge on First Street and climbed off. They had ridden into the city from Alexandria, picking up a bouquet of yellow and purple flowers on the way. They had been thinking about leaving a peaceful token there already, something that would hark back to the symbolism of the Vietnam War protester who slid a carnation into the barrel of a soldier’s rifle.
“And then yesterday happened,” Sutton said, “and it just added more profundity to the whole thing.”
So together, they lifted their own flowers above their heads and began weaving the stems into the fencing. And one of the officers walked up to greet them, helping from the other side
Paul Kane, Peter Hermann, Justin Jouvenal and Jennifer Jenkins contributed to this report.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
all you said was "except this to get zero coverage....doesn't fit the narrative" and you were proven wrong. again.
WHOOSH, indeed.
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Or on focksnooze
Or in the daily stormer
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
or are we being naïve?
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettes
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Liberty is not without its caveats, but how much removal of liberty is acceptable by a society before they are considered oppressed? I feel like there is a fragile balance between the two.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
"Helter Skelter?"
"Suicide Solution?"
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I would agree.
Meantime, I’ll decide what kills me, thankyouverymuch!
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
Banning cigarettes? I get it but I don't like it.
What else would they take next? It would be interesting to see what happens. Alcohol next? Bungee jumping?
Alcohol? Bungee jumping? Books? Music? Again, slippery slope fallacy.