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You mean, the media outlets didn't whitewash it?oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.oftenreading said:
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/02/noah-green-went-from-football-player-posting-extremist-groups/7068100002/Bentleyspop said:
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.mickeyrat said:RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.Kat said:8
https://apnews.com/article/car-rams-capitol-barricade-add0fea76244f1755344aa856ee64ecdOne officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say
By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-lockdown-police-officers-injured-barricade-rammed/2021/04/02/1e1820aa-93d8-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
https://reut.rs/39CXASCAttack at Capitol Kills One Officer and Injures Another; Suspect Is Dead https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/02/us/us-capitol-police-attackall top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
WASHINGTON — The man who police say rammed his car into a security barrier at the U.S. Capitol on Friday and was fatally shot by police after emerging from the vehicle with a knife was a lifelong athlete who in recent months had shown growing support on social media for Louis Farrakhan and the extremist Nation of Islam group.
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.tempo_n_groove said:
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.oftenreading said:
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/02/noah-green-went-from-football-player-posting-extremist-groups/7068100002/Bentleyspop said:
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.mickeyrat said:RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.Kat said:8
https://apnews.com/article/car-rams-capitol-barricade-add0fea76244f1755344aa856ee64ecdOne officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say
By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-lockdown-police-officers-injured-barricade-rammed/2021/04/02/1e1820aa-93d8-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
https://reut.rs/39CXASCAttack at Capitol Kills One Officer and Injures Another; Suspect Is Dead https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/02/us/us-capitol-police-attackall top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
WASHINGTON — The man who police say rammed his car into a security barrier at the U.S. Capitol on Friday and was fatally shot by police after emerging from the vehicle with a knife was a lifelong athlete who in recent months had shown growing support on social media for Louis Farrakhan and the extremist Nation of Islam group.
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
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That too!dankind said:
You mean, the media outlets didn't whitewash it?oftenreading said:tempo_n_groove said:
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.oftenreading said:
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/02/noah-green-went-from-football-player-posting-extremist-groups/7068100002/Bentleyspop said:
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.mickeyrat said:RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.Kat said:8
https://apnews.com/article/car-rams-capitol-barricade-add0fea76244f1755344aa856ee64ecdOne officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say
By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-lockdown-police-officers-injured-barricade-rammed/2021/04/02/1e1820aa-93d8-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
https://reut.rs/39CXASCAttack at Capitol Kills One Officer and Injures Another; Suspect Is Dead https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/02/us/us-capitol-police-attackall top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
WASHINGTON — The man who police say rammed his car into a security barrier at the U.S. Capitol on Friday and was fatally shot by police after emerging from the vehicle with a knife was a lifelong athlete who in recent months had shown growing support on social media for Louis Farrakhan and the extremist Nation of Islam group.
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.
The picture didn’t really leave much doubt about the issue.tempo_n_groove said:
Picture sure but, no mention of his skin color.oftenreading said:
The first and only article I read showed a picture of him.mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/02/noah-green-went-from-football-player-posting-extremist-groups/7068100002/Bentleyspop said:
Ill take a chance and guess this guy wasn't looking to overturn the election.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Whoosh, that went over your head. Of course they’ll write on it, but no white guy = no narrative. No marches, no looting, no fires. Same violence, same death, same mourning families though. Burger King and CVS are safe for another night. Wonder if they surround the hill with barbed wire fences when a follower of the Nation of Islam is at fault. Serious question.mickeyrat said:RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Expect this to get zero coverage. They’ll be talking about skateboarding dogs again by tomorrow. Doesn’t fit the narrative of white dudes with guns, so let’s just move on.Kat said:8
https://apnews.com/article/car-rams-capitol-barricade-add0fea76244f1755344aa856ee64ecdOne officer dead after car rams Capitol barricade; suspect fatally shot by police, officials say
By Peter Hermann, Aaron C. Davis, Matt Zapotosky and Jessica Contrera
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-lockdown-police-officers-injured-barricade-rammed/2021/04/02/1e1820aa-93d8-11eb-a74e-1f4cf89fd948_story.html
https://reut.rs/39CXASCAttack at Capitol Kills One Officer and Injures Another; Suspect Is Dead https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/02/us/us-capitol-police-attackall top headline. havent gone through yahoo news aggregator yet.....
Like the mostly white, male QtRUmplicans who thought it was okay to have an insurrection based on a LIE
WASHINGTON — The man who police say rammed his car into a security barrier at the U.S. Capitol on Friday and was fatally shot by police after emerging from the vehicle with a knife was a lifelong athlete who in recent months had shown growing support on social media for Louis Farrakhan and the extremist Nation of Islam group.
find it odd that in the several articles I read on this , not one listed his race. we are to infer he is black( I assume) given the reported support or infatuation with farrakhan
The news will do this often. You can see where they want the story to go with how they describe certain things.0 -
Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?0 -
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...0 -
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...Post edited by Hobbes on0 -
It is definitely an interesting approach. It will be illegal for some adults and legal for others. I think it will get weird when you have a 31 year old that can smoke legally and a 30 year old that cannot. Again, I hate cigarettes, but I’m not sure this will have the intended results down the road. What motivates people to smoke in the first place? Unless the motivation is gone, people will continue to do it unless they flat out eradicate it, which they could probably actually do on the little island.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Liberty is not without its caveats, but how much removal of liberty is acceptable by a society before they are considered oppressed? I feel like there is a fragile balance between the two.
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Hobbes said:
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
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I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
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Catcher in the Rye?Hobbes said:
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
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The bible?mickeyrat said:Hobbes said:
Name a book or piece of music that is cause of death.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...turner diarieshitlers trash
"Helter Skelter?"
"Suicide Solution?"0 -
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.0 -
Bloomberg tried to ban soda in the city. I understood why but the people went nuts over it so it was aborted rather quickly.0
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Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.0 -
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?Hobbes said:
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I would agree.0 -
A radical idea, but one that merits further thought.
Meantime, I’ll decide what kills me, thankyouverymuch!Post edited by hedonist on0 -
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.tempo_n_groove said:
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?Hobbes said:
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I would agree.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?0 -
I agree. Which is why I see banning cigarettes much like the same. We've tried banning certain things and didnt work. I don't see how this would be any different or better.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
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Did he ban soda? I thought it was just the limits on free refills and size? Not much different, but still different.tempo_n_groove said:Bloomberg tried to ban soda in the city. I understood why but the people went nuts over it so it was aborted rather quickly.
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I can see the banning guns, sure. I don't like it though.Hobbes said:
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.tempo_n_groove said:
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?Hobbes said:
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I would agree.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
Banning cigarettes? I get it but I don't like it.
What else would they take next? It would be interesting to see what happens. Alcohol next? Bungee jumping?0 -
Take? You stated previously that New Zealanders willingly gave up their guns.tempo_n_groove said:
I can see the banning guns, sure. I don't like it though.Hobbes said:
Multiple layers, sure. My thinking that each (alcohol, narcotics, tobacco) are substances that have lethal consequences.tempo_n_groove said:
In that they both gave way to cartels and organized crime?Hobbes said:
Actually, these examples are more related than your guns-cigarettes-books/music scenario.tempo_n_groove said:
We tried the whole prohibition thing and that seemed to work out so well that it gave birth to organized crime.mace1229 said:
I wouldn't think it leaps to books or music, but I had a similar thought. Why not alcohol, or fast food? Heart disease is the biggest killer and bad diet/fast food is a big contributor.tempo_n_groove said:
That country willfully gave up their guns so why not smoking? I'm sure other things are on the docket too.PJPOWER said:Not sure if this fits into the “Breaking News” category, but maybe;
New Zealand considers banning smoking for anyone born after 2004:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/new-zealand-aims-to-create-smoke-free-generation-cigarettesJust curious about what everyone thinks about this. Justified or overstepping? I think it is idiotic to smoke cigarettes, and have seen many people I’m close to suffer from the choice to do so, but evidently some people still like doing it for some reason. Any smokers around here have comments on New Zealand’s approach to this?
Anything else that causes problems? A book or certain music perhaps?
Not a fan of this...
Think of all the lives we'd save here if we banned fast food and sugar drinks.
We did the same thing with drugs/narcotics and that seemed to go swimmingly well also.
Now mind you these 3 are not the same but would they, the smokers be allowed to do ecigs/vapes? Can I not puff on a cigar anymore?
Lots of questions.
I would agree.
A better argument than banning guns leads to banning tobacco which leads to banning books/music. Slippery slope, much?
Banning cigarettes? I get it but I don't like it.
What else would they take next? It would be interesting to see what happens. Alcohol next? Bungee jumping?
Alcohol? Bungee jumping? Books? Music? Again, slippery slope fallacy.0
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