2020 Fall North American rumour thread

bootlegger10 · March 2021

It is so crazy that we are talking about concerts this fall in the US while in Ireland you can’t even play golf right now. Strange how different the issues are between countries. Obviously in the US we had a better vaccine rollout, but it seems absurd to not allow people to do outdoor activities.

CO278952 · March 2021

bootlegger10 said:

It is so crazy that we are talking about concerts this fall in the US while in Ireland you can’t even play golf right now. Strange how different the issues are between countries. Obviously in the US we had a better vaccine rollout, but it seems absurd to not allow people to do outdoor activities.

It is empty toilet paper aisle absurd.

Zod · March 2021

bootlegger10 said:

It is so crazy that we are talking about concerts this fall in the US while in Ireland you can’t even play golf right now. Strange how different the issues are between countries. Obviously in the US we had a better vaccine rollout, but it seems absurd to not allow people to do outdoor activities.

Here in BC Canada, they just made it so you could do outside activities with up to 10 people, but the expectation is that it's the same 10 people. IE you can't hang out with one group one weekend, then a different on the next.

We'd been on stricter rules for about 4 months and barely got case count to flatline.. now it's going back up again.

Basically covid's super contagious. Unless enough people have the vaccine, it's going to rip. Outside is better, but I guess it doesn't solve all issues.

Zod · March 2021

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

josevolution said:

Zod said:

I guess the hard part right now is waiting to see if the vaccines curb the spread. IE we probably need to hit the point where cases flatline and reduce significantly. If that happens it's probably a good indicator the vaccines are working and doing what they're supposed to do.

Best case scenario seems to be summer. The thing is, life likes to throw curveballs, so who knows what could happen between now and then. Will bands want to announce until their 100% sure?

I expect bands will covertly reserve venues and make plans, but try to avoid publicly announcing them until their 100% sure. If anything delays the current timeline, they probably don't want to have to rebook again.

Faucci was explaining that the numbers of infection rates have flatten and that is not a good sign, they need to keep going down if we stay at 50k infection per day it’s not good 😌, and if you look at states like Florida where they are partying like it’s 1999 we have a long way to normalcy..

The numbers will only really drop to acceptable levels in the US when upwards of 70-80% of people are vaccinated. That’s my opinion. The hope is that takes effect over the next few months to enable the outdoor September shows.

There is going to be an crucial moment around August where everyone that wants to be vaccinated is and we are nowheres close to those numbers for herd immunity. What will the restrictions be by then? 20% of the US population is 16 and under. There has to be at least 25% of the adult population refusing to get vaccinated. What will the science say then? I did not think that I would be for showing proof of vaccinations to a show but fuck it if that is what we need to do to help people get persuaded that they will miss out on something if they do not get the shot.

That's true. If we don't achieve herd immunity, that might be what it comes down to. I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required.

I suppose the other issue is if you don't hit herd immunity, then the damn things spreads and mutates even more.. shrug...

tschav · March 2021

Zod said:
...I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required...

Baseball already has it baked into their terms - basically stating that they cannot be sued or liable for any effects of covid-related outcomes. That will likely keep most concert/sporting venues legally protected without going as far as requiring proof of vaccination.

That being said, federal/local governments will likely be the bottleneck for venues - requiring certain safety protocols to allow people back (capacity limits, sanitizing requirements, etc) - but I don't see a situation where government will require proof of vaccinations either. They'll watch the numbers and reopen as each state/city seem applicable like they have been.

RatherStarved · March 2021

tschav said:

Zod said:
...I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required...

Baseball already has it baked into their terms - basically stating that they cannot be sued or liable for any effects of covid-related outcomes. That will likely keep most concert/sporting venues legally protected without going as far as requiring proof of vaccination.

That being said, federal/local governments will likely be the bottleneck for venues - requiring certain safety protocols to allow people back (capacity limits, sanitizing requirements, etc) - but I don't see a situation where government will require proof of vaccinations either. They'll watch the numbers and reopen as each state/city seem applicable like they have been.

I think we could well see vaccination proof required for large events, which would be unfair right now but once the vaccine is available to all who want it, would be completely fair. Especially if it turns out the vaccines stop transmission as well as illness, I almost think it’s inevitable to be required. The whole point of social distancing was and for now still is to buy time for that level of vaccination to be in place.

NewJPage · March 2021

Zod said:

PJNB said:

RatherStarved said:

josevolution said:

Zod said:

I guess the hard part right now is waiting to see if the vaccines curb the spread. IE we probably need to hit the point where cases flatline and reduce significantly. If that happens it's probably a good indicator the vaccines are working and doing what they're supposed to do.

Best case scenario seems to be summer. The thing is, life likes to throw curveballs, so who knows what could happen between now and then. Will bands want to announce until their 100% sure?

I expect bands will covertly reserve venues and make plans, but try to avoid publicly announcing them until their 100% sure. If anything delays the current timeline, they probably don't want to have to rebook again.

Faucci was explaining that the numbers of infection rates have flatten and that is not a good sign, they need to keep going down if we stay at 50k infection per day it’s not good 😌, and if you look at states like Florida where they are partying like it’s 1999 we have a long way to normalcy..

The numbers will only really drop to acceptable levels in the US when upwards of 70-80% of people are vaccinated. That’s my opinion. The hope is that takes effect over the next few months to enable the outdoor September shows.

There is going to be an crucial moment around August where everyone that wants to be vaccinated is and we are nowheres close to those numbers for herd immunity. What will the restrictions be by then? 20% of the US population is 16 and under. There has to be at least 25% of the adult population refusing to get vaccinated. What will the science say then? I did not think that I would be for showing proof of vaccinations to a show but fuck it if that is what we need to do to help people get persuaded that they will miss out on something if they do not get the shot.

That's true. If we don't achieve herd immunity, that might be what it comes down to. I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required.

I suppose the other issue is if you don't hit herd immunity, then the damn things spreads and mutates even more.. shrug...

This is the issue. We're already seeing variants spread like crazy...b117 will be dominant strain by April. The vaccines seem to do ok for that one, but the south African strain not so much. Everyone needs to chill out and not blow it while we get people vaccinated.

drakeheuer14 · March 2021

RatherStarved said:

tschav said:

Zod said:
...I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required...

Baseball already has it baked into their terms - basically stating that they cannot be sued or liable for any effects of covid-related outcomes. That will likely keep most concert/sporting venues legally protected without going as far as requiring proof of vaccination.

That being said, federal/local governments will likely be the bottleneck for venues - requiring certain safety protocols to allow people back (capacity limits, sanitizing requirements, etc) - but I don't see a situation where government will require proof of vaccinations either. They'll watch the numbers and reopen as each state/city seem applicable like they have been.

I think we could well see vaccination proof required for large events, which would be unfair right now but once the vaccine is available to all who want it, would be completely fair. Especially if it turns out the vaccines stop transmission as well as illness, I almost think it’s inevitable to be required. The whole point of social distancing was and for now still is to buy time for that level of vaccination to be in place.

I don’t think it’s fair at all to require a brand new vaccine to be required for anything. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but these things can have unintended side effects and it’s too early to fully know them imo.

I also know it’s not the flu, but comparable in the sense that people keep saying it may be with us like the flu forever. And the flu shot is far from required in most cases... so why require this one?

NewJPage · March 2021

drakeheuer14 said:

RatherStarved said:

tschav said:

Zod said:
...I'm sure venues/artists/promoters can put it in fineprint, but they're probably not going to want to be legally responsible if a covid outbreak occurs at an event. I could see vaccine's could be required...

Baseball already has it baked into their terms - basically stating that they cannot be sued or liable for any effects of covid-related outcomes. That will likely keep most concert/sporting venues legally protected without going as far as requiring proof of vaccination.

That being said, federal/local governments will likely be the bottleneck for venues - requiring certain safety protocols to allow people back (capacity limits, sanitizing requirements, etc) - but I don't see a situation where government will require proof of vaccinations either. They'll watch the numbers and reopen as each state/city seem applicable like they have been.

I think we could well see vaccination proof required for large events, which would be unfair right now but once the vaccine is available to all who want it, would be completely fair. Especially if it turns out the vaccines stop transmission as well as illness, I almost think it’s inevitable to be required. The whole point of social distancing was and for now still is to buy time for that level of vaccination to be in place.

I don’t think it’s fair at all to require a brand new vaccine to be required for anything. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but these things can have unintended side effects and it’s too early to fully know them imo.

I also know it’s not the flu, but comparable in the sense that people keep saying it may be with us like the flu forever. And the flu shot is far from required in most cases... so why require this one?

Because the flu doesn't kill 550k in a year and leave millions with long term issues in the US alone.

Also, mrna tech has been around for a long time. That's why they had the vaccine figured out In a week.

RatherStarved · March 2021

To be clear, I’m not saying anyone should be legally required to get a vaccine. I am just saying the consequence of choosing not to get one, once available, could include the inability to attend large events, in fairness to the other people there. I don’t see a problem with that at all. But I’m not debating what’s right or wrong, I’m just suggesting that might become the rule.

PJNB · March 2021

I think if they do the proof of vaccination to get into shows its only for this summer/fall and only so they can satisfy the governments requirements to put the shows on this early. After this year though I do not see it as fair to those that chose not to be vaccinated.

PJNB · March 2021

So I do not see a scenario where they play Hyde Park in the summer and not be able to play the two US festivals too. What I mean is if the band goes on ahead and plays Hyde Park in July or September the States would have to allow them to play too or I would guess they will pass on all 3. It would be an awkward situation where you play across the pond and deem it safe only to cancel the two shows you have in your home country later on.

nando1979 · March 2021

PJNB said:

So I do not see a scenario where they play Hyde Park in the summer and not be able to play the two US festivals too. What I mean is if the band goes on ahead and plays Hyde Park in July or September the States would have to allow them to play too or I would guess they will pass on all 3. It would be an awkward situation where you play across the pond and deem it safe only to cancel the two shows you have in your home country later on.

They won't be playing Hyde Park, no matter what people make of the mood here in the UK. This is based on the following:

The dates announced by the UK government are "at the earliest".
The government has a history of over promising and under delivering during the pandemic.
They are already making noises that people won't be able to travel this summer, just 4 weeks after saying it was more positive than ever.
There are major outbreaks happening in other European countries and fears that the astra zeneca vaccine is pretty much worthless against some strains of covid.
They had said everything lifted in June, no restrictions, however they have now confirmed the idea of allowing fans into stadiums for the Euros this summer is based on one way systems, masks, etc.

I have no link to the band, but everything we know of them and what type of people they are suggests safety is right at the top of their conditions for doing things.

PJNB · March 2021

nando1979 said:

PJNB said:

So I do not see a scenario where they play Hyde Park in the summer and not be able to play the two US festivals too. What I mean is if the band goes on ahead and plays Hyde Park in July or September the States would have to allow them to play too or I would guess they will pass on all 3. It would be an awkward situation where you play across the pond and deem it safe only to cancel the two shows you have in your home country later on.

They won't be playing Hyde Park, no matter what people make of the mood here in the UK. This is based on the following:

The dates announced by the UK government are "at the earliest".
The government has a history of over promising and under delivering during the pandemic.
They are already making noises that people won't be able to travel this summer, just 4 weeks after saying it was more positive than ever.
There are major outbreaks happening in other European countries and fears that the astra zeneca vaccine is pretty much worthless against some strains of covid.
They had said everything lifted in June, no restrictions, however they have now confirmed the idea of allowing fans into stadiums for the Euros this summer is based on one way systems, masks, etc.

I have no link to the band, but everything we know of them and what type of people they are suggests safety is right at the top of their conditions for doing things.

I agree with the July date not being feasible but feel like the rumoured September date should be. Will it happen? Probably not. Should it happen? I think it should if everyone in the UK has been vaccinated that wants to and if they put restrictions on those that come in from other countries to be vaccinated as well. I am not a huge fan on restrictions but if it means we get shows this year opposed to getting nothing I am all for it.

RatherStarved · March 2021

The UK dates are aspirational but with today’s news on results of the AZ US trial I choose to remain optimistic.

PJNB · March 2021

RatherStarved said:

The UK dates are aspirational but with today’s news on results of the AZ US trial I choose to remain optimistic.

100% across the board on all vaccines protecting against severe symptoms, hospitalizations and deaths. That number can only go down of course but it is incredible to have 4 vaccines that perform this well currently.

Are we really not going to have concerts this fall with those numbers due to people not wanting to get the vaccine and us being nowheres close to herd immunity?

BloodMeridian80 · March 2021

It’s important to remember that herd immunity can be reached through vaccines and those recovered from infection. It should be reached by the end of summer. Latest Pew Research poll found that 69% of people will vaccinate (19 have at least one dose, 32 said definitely, 17 said probably). Add in those a growing number of anti-vaxxers recovering from infection and we should clear herd immunity, or certainly be very close by end of summer.

PJ and many other large event acts may choose to wait out of an abundance of caution, not to mention that many cities/states may still not allow full capacity events or want to promote the type of travel that comes with such events.
Late summer and fall will be a great opportunity to support smaller venue local music. I’m super excited about that. I can wait for 2022 and PJ.

on2legs · March 2021

mcgruff10 · March 2021

on2legs said:

I m in. Let s go!!

BloodMeridian80 · March 2021

on2legs said:

Here's an article with more info about it: https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2021/03/22/knicks-rangers-covid-tests-fans-tickets/4801229001/

Still currently only 10% capacity (obviously that will change in the coming months), but the digital smart phone proof of vaccination discussed gives some insight into how this can be managed, and they will also be providing same day covid tests for those without proof of vaccination.

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