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brianlux said:BB162610 said:brianlux said:After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call."Sorry, out of stock."And another call."Sorry, back-ordered."And another call."Sorry, no gots."Sheesh!dankind said:Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.
How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage?
I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens.
You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly.Good to know. I talked to a tech from Music Direct yesterday and explained what was going on with my Pro-ject Carbon Debut. Once I removed the shipping screws, the thumping motor noise stopped. I sometimes can feel a fine vibration in the tone arm but the tech told me that was not going to hurt anything. He said the carbon fiber arm is light and thus transmits some of the energy and that I should just use the cuing lever and not worry about it.With that in mind, I figure it buys me time to look at both the Thorens and the Technics. Both of them will have a big advantage over the Carbon Debut: No more lifting the platter to change speeds. What I don't know is weather I would like the Thorens' Audio Technica AT VM95E cartidge (which I haven't heard) over the Ortofon 2M Red (which is what I have on the Carbon Debut) or the Red upgrade, Ortofon 2M Blue (which I also have not heard).So many choices to make! But now,at least, I feel like I have time to do more research.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
dankind said:brianlux said:BB162610 said:brianlux said:After a TON of research, I finally decided to go with the Technics SL-1500C and made the call."Sorry, out of stock."And another call."Sorry, back-ordered."And another call."Sorry, no gots."Sheesh!dankind said:Hey, @brianlux , it's me, your Thorens pusher again.
How you doing, buddy? Jonesin' for a noiseless motor and an incredible soundstage?
I know how it is, pal. I've been there. But not anymore. Because I found Thorens.
You want user friendly. As long as you use, Thorens will be friendly.Good to know. I talked to a tech from Music Direct yesterday and explained what was going on with my Pro-ject Carbon Debut. Once I removed the shipping screws, the thumping motor noise stopped. I sometimes can feel a fine vibration in the tone arm but the tech told me that was not going to hurt anything. He said the carbon fiber arm is light and thus transmits some of the energy and that I should just use the cuing lever and not worry about it.With that in mind, I figure it buys me time to look at both the Thorens and the Technics. Both of them will have a big advantage over the Carbon Debut: No more lifting the platter to change speeds. What I don't know is weather I would like the Thorens' Audio Technica AT VM95E cartidge (which I haven't heard) over the Ortofon 2M Red (which is what I have on the Carbon Debut) or the Red upgrade, Ortofon 2M Blue (which I also have not heard).So many choices to make! But now,at least, I feel like I have time to do more research.Oh, great, now you give me more options to have to juggle and consider.No, seriously, I do appreciate the info! I will keep reading!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
its not an irreversable decision Brian....either table or cartridgePost edited by mickeyrat on_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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mickeyrat said:its not an irreversable decision Brian....either table or cartridgeTrue, the decision is not totally reversible, for sure. I'm not poor and, at least according to my wife, I don't have worry about going belly up, but with my decreasing ability to sustain a level income in a world of escalating cost and expenses (my internet fees, for example, which, with no alternative available, have currently tripled), I find it wise to choose on what and for what and how much I spend on something like a turntable. But, like food, clothing, and shelter, to me music is an essential, so the decision still looms while I weigh my options.Meanwhile, the Pro-ject Carbon Debut appears to still be usable. Thank the musical heavens!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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After literally years of researching and stewing over what to upgrade my Project Carbon debut with red Ortofon cartridge, I got this email from Crutchfield saying that they had a small, limited number of Technics SL-1500C turntables with Red Ortofon cart come in, was I interested? So I jumped on it. Got it set up today and was kind of bummed to find that the only auditory difference to me was that the Technics seems just a tiny fraction less forward sounding and on some of the highs seem more bright (not a welcome feature for my trashed ears). Otherwise, they seem fairly similar to me.Sheesh, $1200 bucks for that?I had my wife sit down and do a listening test and she kindly obliged. I am more pitch sensitive from having hyperacusis, so it seemed like a good idea to try a side-by-side test on someone with good hearing. I asked her to not change position while listening. I asked her to listen for things like dynamics, loudness, pitch, clarity, and presence.First, I played a more punchy rock tune on the Technics, The Dream Syndicate's "See That My Grave is Kept Clean", then switched the jacks and played the same tune on the Project. Next, I played Neil Young's folkier "Tell Me Why" on the Technics, switched out again, and played the same tune on the Project. At the end, I asked her to compare the two turntables. She looked at me and said, "Honestly, I can't tell the difference."Life is funny, haha!So now I have to decide whether to keep the Techincs as a second TT/ back up to the aging Project or return it before the 60 days are up. One consideration is break-in time. I'm told red Ortofon's mellow after some break-in time. I had the thing for 26 days before setting up due to being laid low by Moderna. So I don't really have much break-in time and I don't really know if it will mellow. I never really noticed the brightness on the Project's red Ortofon.Damn first-world problems!
(But in fairness to myself, $1200 is a fairly big pile of money in my world. It was about three years of saving up much of my own spending money.)
Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
For $1200 I'd want my balls blown off. Return it, I say. Perhaps a less expensive TT with an upgraded cartridge.0
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Hobbes said:For $1200 I'd want my balls blown off. Return it, I say. Perhaps a less expensive TT with an upgraded cartridge.Haha, I hear ya! I'm thinking similarly. I wanted the Technics mainly because even though I finally solved the Project's motor noise issues, I'm concerned that sometimes I can feel a slight vibration in the arm when I'm holding it to lower by hand, and also because I liked the idea of being able to switch between 33 RPM and 45 RPM without having to lift the platter and change the band. But I don't play 45's that often, so that's not a huge deal, and if I were confident that the occasional arm vibration was not going to harm the records, I'd probably just stick with the Project and be happy to have my $1200 minus return shipping back in my pocket.
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brianlux said:After literally years of researching and stewing over what to upgrade my Project Carbon debut with red Ortofon cartridge, I got this email from Crutchfield saying that they had a small, limited number of Technics SL-1500C turntables with Red Ortofon cart come in, was I interested? So I jumped on it. Got it set up today and was kind of bummed to find that the only auditory difference to me was that the Technics seems just a tiny fraction less forward sounding and on some of the highs seem more bright (not a welcome feature for my trashed ears). Otherwise, they seem fairly similar to me.Sheesh, $1200 bucks for that?I had my wife sit down and do a listening test and she kindly obliged. I am more pitch sensitive from having hyperacusis, so it seemed like a good idea to try a side-by-side test on someone with good hearing. I asked her to not change position while listening. I asked her to listen for things like dynamics, loudness, pitch, clarity, and presence.First, I played a more punchy rock tune on the Technics, The Dream Syndicate's "See That My Grave is Kept Clean", then switched the jacks and played the same tune on the Project. Next, I played Neil Young's folkier "Tell Me Why" on the Technics, switched out again, and played the same tune on the Project. At the end, I asked her to compare the two turntables. She looked at me and said, "Honestly, I can't tell the difference."Life is funny, haha!So now I have to decide whether to keep the Techincs as a second TT/ back up to the aging Project or return it before the 60 days are up. One consideration is break-in time. I'm told red Ortofon's mellow after some break-in time. I had the thing for 26 days before setting up due to being laid low by Moderna. So I don't really have much break-in time and I don't really know if it will mellow. I never really noticed the brightness on the Project's red Ortofon.Damn first-world problems!
(But in fairness to myself, $1200 is a fairly big pile of money in my world. It was about three years of saving up much of my own spending money.)
Cartridges are a different story. A good cartridge, even on a stable but moderately priced turntable can sound incredibly good. You would have to spend a lot of money to notice a considerable improvement.
IME, if you're unhappy with your stereo, you would be better served by upgrading your speakers, as they contribute the most to the overall experience. Preamp electronics, power amp, source and cables come later and almost always yield more subtle improvements.
YMMV, of course.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
dudeman said:brianlux said:After literally years of researching and stewing over what to upgrade my Project Carbon debut with red Ortofon cartridge, I got this email from Crutchfield saying that they had a small, limited number of Technics SL-1500C turntables with Red Ortofon cart come in, was I interested? So I jumped on it. Got it set up today and was kind of bummed to find that the only auditory difference to me was that the Technics seems just a tiny fraction less forward sounding and on some of the highs seem more bright (not a welcome feature for my trashed ears). Otherwise, they seem fairly similar to me.Sheesh, $1200 bucks for that?I had my wife sit down and do a listening test and she kindly obliged. I am more pitch sensitive from having hyperacusis, so it seemed like a good idea to try a side-by-side test on someone with good hearing. I asked her to not change position while listening. I asked her to listen for things like dynamics, loudness, pitch, clarity, and presence.First, I played a more punchy rock tune on the Technics, The Dream Syndicate's "See That My Grave is Kept Clean", then switched the jacks and played the same tune on the Project. Next, I played Neil Young's folkier "Tell Me Why" on the Technics, switched out again, and played the same tune on the Project. At the end, I asked her to compare the two turntables. She looked at me and said, "Honestly, I can't tell the difference."Life is funny, haha!So now I have to decide whether to keep the Techincs as a second TT/ back up to the aging Project or return it before the 60 days are up. One consideration is break-in time. I'm told red Ortofon's mellow after some break-in time. I had the thing for 26 days before setting up due to being laid low by Moderna. So I don't really have much break-in time and I don't really know if it will mellow. I never really noticed the brightness on the Project's red Ortofon.Damn first-world problems!
(But in fairness to myself, $1200 is a fairly big pile of money in my world. It was about three years of saving up much of my own spending money.)
Cartridges are a different story. A good cartridge, even on a stable but moderately priced turntable can sound incredibly good. You would have to spend a lot of money to notice a considerable improvement.
IME, if you're unhappy with your stereo, you would be better served by upgrading your speakers, as they contribute the most to the overall experience. Preamp electronics, power amp, source and cables come later and almost always yield more subtle improvements.
YMMV, of course.Good advice all around, Dudeman, thanks!I got return authorization today from Crutchfield and they made it very easy and pleasant. They're a great company to work with and the return was way more affordable than I'd expected!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:dudeman said:brianlux said:After literally years of researching and stewing over what to upgrade my Project Carbon debut with red Ortofon cartridge, I got this email from Crutchfield saying that they had a small, limited number of Technics SL-1500C turntables with Red Ortofon cart come in, was I interested? So I jumped on it. Got it set up today and was kind of bummed to find that the only auditory difference to me was that the Technics seems just a tiny fraction less forward sounding and on some of the highs seem more bright (not a welcome feature for my trashed ears). Otherwise, they seem fairly similar to me.Sheesh, $1200 bucks for that?I had my wife sit down and do a listening test and she kindly obliged. I am more pitch sensitive from having hyperacusis, so it seemed like a good idea to try a side-by-side test on someone with good hearing. I asked her to not change position while listening. I asked her to listen for things like dynamics, loudness, pitch, clarity, and presence.First, I played a more punchy rock tune on the Technics, The Dream Syndicate's "See That My Grave is Kept Clean", then switched the jacks and played the same tune on the Project. Next, I played Neil Young's folkier "Tell Me Why" on the Technics, switched out again, and played the same tune on the Project. At the end, I asked her to compare the two turntables. She looked at me and said, "Honestly, I can't tell the difference."Life is funny, haha!So now I have to decide whether to keep the Techincs as a second TT/ back up to the aging Project or return it before the 60 days are up. One consideration is break-in time. I'm told red Ortofon's mellow after some break-in time. I had the thing for 26 days before setting up due to being laid low by Moderna. So I don't really have much break-in time and I don't really know if it will mellow. I never really noticed the brightness on the Project's red Ortofon.Damn first-world problems!
(But in fairness to myself, $1200 is a fairly big pile of money in my world. It was about three years of saving up much of my own spending money.)
Cartridges are a different story. A good cartridge, even on a stable but moderately priced turntable can sound incredibly good. You would have to spend a lot of money to notice a considerable improvement.
IME, if you're unhappy with your stereo, you would be better served by upgrading your speakers, as they contribute the most to the overall experience. Preamp electronics, power amp, source and cables come later and almost always yield more subtle improvements.
YMMV, of course.Good advice all around, Dudeman, thanks!I got return authorization today from Crutchfield and they made it very easy and pleasant. They're a great company to work with and the return was way more affordable than I'd expected!0 -
Oh and Crutchfield is great. I think returns are $10 across the board. Their HQ are in C'ville so less than an hour away. I've bought plenty from them, but I've demoed even more. They are really good about that.0
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Got a nice deal on a VPI Cliffwood, loads better than my Project Debut 2.
Many turntables do not have covers these days and they charge a flippin arm and leg for them. Had a custom one made for it. Somethign to consider when buying. The project debut 2 had a cover0 -
hrd2imgn said:Got a nice deal on a VPI Cliffwood, loads better than my Project Debut 2.
Many turntables do not have covers these days and they charge a flippin arm and leg for them. Had a custom one made for it. Somethign to consider when buying. The project debut 2 had a cover0 -
I was at my parents' house for the holidays. My Dad recently purchased a U-Turn with a Grado cartridge and acrylic platter. It's a decent setup with a Mani phono stage and a Rotel A11 amp into Bose 201's (I think). But what made it sound fantastic was the isolation shelf he had the turntable sitting on. It was just so quiet and smooth sounding. If I had the space, I would definitely put up a turntable shelf. Highly recommended.
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Just looking to get into a new turntable. Looking to spend about $500-$600. Low end looking at a LP120XUSB, Uturn custom or the Pro-ject Automat. Thoughts?0
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Uturn0
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Read through a bunch of reviews. Decided to go Uturn custom with Grado Black3. Let’s see how it sounds
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i got id said:Read through a bunch of reviews. Decided to go Uturn custom with Grado Black3. Let’s see how it soundsMy Dad recently bought the same setup. Sounds fantastic. I was very impressed with it.One thing- we initially set it up running through a Mani preamp. The volume output was considerably lower than the CD player. I switched out the Mani and when straight into the phono stage on the Denon amp. Same issue. Low volume output was nearly identical on both.So we changed the settings of the Mani and that solved it. (But obviously not if we continued to use the Denon phono stage.)I'd be interested if you notice this as well.0
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eddiec said:i got id said:Read through a bunch of reviews. Decided to go Uturn custom with Grado Black3. Let’s see how it soundsMy Dad recently bought the same setup. Sounds fantastic. I was very impressed with it.One thing- we initially set it up running through a Mani preamp. The volume output was considerably lower than the CD player. I switched out the Mani and when straight into the phono stage on the Denon amp. Same issue. Low volume output was nearly identical on both.So we changed the settings of the Mani and that solved it. (But obviously not if we continued to use the Denon phono stage.)I'd be interested if you notice this as well.0
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need to fix my table , Onkyo 1010a. the left channel wire is broken causing the sound to cut out. there is no grommet for the wire to come through the case so there has been movement over the years. Ordered a pair of used ones(stupid cheap) off ebay and am prepared to cut and re-solder on the circuit board of the existing one or do that to one of the used ones and swap out.Have Onkyo 1200A as well and the motor needs replaced I think. Swapped the 1010 out to listen fuck up free and no go. Drags bad as if it was a 45 set on 33. First test on receipt it worked well. That one I will take in to have it tuned up and repaired....._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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