The Golf Thread

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I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

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mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jumb0 said:

I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

Nah. It's like that age old Cricket argument of who's better between Sachin Tendulkar and Donald Bradman. Then of course there are the delusional Viv Richards' fanatics. Give me a break!

Dude please.  You're arguing that hockey is at the same level as cricket in this country? You can't even be a little serious.  

Don't tell me you don't know who Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky are.  I can honestly say I don't know those names you wrote  

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jumb0 said:

I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

Nah. It's like that age old Cricket argument of who's better between Sachin Tendulkar and Donald Bradman. Then of course there are the delusional Viv Richards' fanatics. Give me a break!

Dude please.  You're arguing that hockey is at the same level as cricket in this country? You can't even be a little serious.  

Don't tell me you don't know who Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky are.  I can honestly say I don't know those names you wrote  

I put it a hair above cricket, just a notch below badminton. I mean, come on. You ever see the way Taufik Hidayat pounds a shuttlecock? That Indonesian sum' bitch broke records in his sleep. I'd like to see some "goalie" try the same thing. 

Let me know when you're ready to discuss men's sports again. 

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mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jumb0 said:

I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

Nah. It's like that age old Cricket argument of who's better between Sachin Tendulkar and Donald Bradman. Then of course there are the delusional Viv Richards' fanatics. Give me a break!

Dude please.  You're arguing that hockey is at the same level as cricket in this country? You can't even be a little serious.  

Don't tell me you don't know who Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky are.  I can honestly say I don't know those names you wrote  

I put it a hair above cricket, just a notch below badminton. I mean, come on. You ever see the way Taufik Hidayat pounds a shuttlecock? That Indonesian sum' bitch broke records in his sleep. I'd like to see some "goalie" try the same thing. 

Let me know when you're ready to discuss men's sports again. 

Bout the same time you discover sarcasm. We'll circle back then. Meantime, time for me to hit the hay. 

Haha, well I'm as sarcastic as they come, but I don't know where your opinion is ending and sarcasm beginning on the topic.  

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jumb0 said:

I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

Nah. It's like that age old Cricket argument of who's better between Sachin Tendulkar and Donald Bradman. Then of course there are the delusional Viv Richards' fanatics. Give me a break!

Dude please.  You're arguing that hockey is at the same level as cricket in this country? You can't even be a little serious.  

Don't tell me you don't know who Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky are.  I can honestly say I don't know those names you wrote  

I put it a hair above cricket, just a notch below badminton. I mean, come on. You ever see the way Taufik Hidayat pounds a shuttlecock? That Indonesian sum' bitch broke records in his sleep. I'd like to see some "goalie" try the same thing. 

Let me know when you're ready to discuss men's sports again. 

Bout the same time you discover sarcasm. We'll circle back then. Meantime, time for me to hit the hay. 

Haha, well I'm as sarcastic as they come, but I don't know where your opinion is ending and sarcasm beginning on the topic.  

If the badminton analogy didn't work for you, I don't know what to tell you. 

I'm on a plane now to Naples, three rounds in three days,  two at Tiburon ( black and gold) and one at a club.  Can't frigging wait.  Tiburon Black will kick your ass all day. Brutal course. 

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Jumb0 said:

I wonder if a guy like Tiger wants to play the senior tour though. 

Wasn't Nickalus very reluctant too?

Best golfers all time
1- Bobby Jones
2- Tiger Woods
3- Golden Bear
4- Sam Snead
5- Ben Hogan

Tiger, then Jack, then everyone else. Come on now. 

This.

Except for the fact that Jack has more majors.  Isn't the argument that Jordan is better than Lebron connected to titles?  Is Brees better than Brady because he has better stats?

It is not as simple as that. Lebron has never had any debilitating injury that caused him to miss a lot of time. He has 4 rings right now and, I believe, has actually had a longer NBA career at this point that MJ's. That's a strike against him in my book. 

BUT...If Lebron missed a sizable chunk of a decade and still finished with 4 championships and had much better stats that Jordan (ala Tiger blowing Jack out of the water regarding total wins maybe), I think the people you're referencing here would be more inclined to say he's better or at least as good as MJ. 

I don't see how you hold LBJ's durability against him.  To me,  it's the opposite.  Mario is always second to Wayne in the pantheon of hockey.  Had Mario not had cancer and a back issue,  maybe Mario is the Great One.  

Majors = titles in my book.  You get four title shots per year. 

Yeah but...who cares about hockey?

Me, plenty of people.  The analogy holds regardless. 

 I am talking about the major sports though. 

Baseball, football, basketball,  hockey.  Big 4.

Nah. It's like that age old Cricket argument of who's better between Sachin Tendulkar and Donald Bradman. Then of course there are the delusional Viv Richards' fanatics. Give me a break!

Dude please.  You're arguing that hockey is at the same level as cricket in this country? You can't even be a little serious.  

Don't tell me you don't know who Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky are.  I can honestly say I don't know those names you wrote  

I put it a hair above cricket, just a notch below badminton. I mean, come on. You ever see the way Taufik Hidayat pounds a shuttlecock? That Indonesian sum' bitch broke records in his sleep. I'd like to see some "goalie" try the same thing. 

Let me know when you're ready to discuss men's sports again. 

Bout the same time you discover sarcasm. We'll circle back then. Meantime, time for me to hit the hay. 

Haha, well I'm as sarcastic as they come, but I don't know where your opinion is ending and sarcasm beginning on the topic.  

If the badminton analogy didn't work for you, I don't know what to tell you. 

I'm way upstream from that.  I still don't understand how you think LBJs reliability is somehow a mark against his greatness.  Is that sarcasm? You can see how that belief could lead someone to question everything. 

Listen, Salmon Sam, putting your unexplained utter contempt for the wonderful world of badminton aside for a moment...

I believe your point was that Jordan is better than Lebron simply because he has more rings and Tiger isn't better than Jack because he doesn't have enough majors. My point was that it is not as simple as that and there are a ton of other factors that come into play (comparable stats, level of dominance vs competition, comparing the eras they played, eye ball test, total wins in Tigers case, etc etc etc).

Lebron's reliability is not a mark against his greatness. That's ridiculous. I did not say that. I was pointing out that he has had more chances of getting a ring than Jordan had and still is two short. To me, that's a knock against him just with comparing to MJ--but its not the end all be all. Tiger has had less chances than Jack and still came close in majors but also blows him away with total wins and was more dominant in his heyday than Jack was. So my overall point is it is not a black and white issue. Championships/majors matter greatly, but they're not everything. Dan Marino was probably better than close to 99% of the quarterbacks who have won super bowls yet he never won one himself.

Well this thread has turned into an episode of First Take.

Awesome field this week for the WGC.  Crazy that they got this course ready for a PGA tournament in only 6 weeks....

Day one ends with the death of a $9k golf cart...

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Day one ends with the death of a $9k golf cart...