The Texas Deep Freeze

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
    brianlux said:
    Here's a thread that's a bit over-due.  The Texas freeze has been talked about elsewhere but it is a major even and the discussion really does not relate to the PG&E thread.

    So OK, most of us here are at least left-leaning if not outright die-hard liberals, but what has and is happening in Texas is a human issue and, believe it or not, not all Texans are cretins deserving of a slow and painful death.  Take my aunt-in-law and cousin-in-law who live there.  Wonderful, lovely people. We have wonderful forum members here we care about.  Let's keep this humane.

    What I'm hoping for is that we'll see people across the nation help out in a time of need.  It looks like the Biden and the feds via FEMA are stepping up as they should be.  Here's what's going on that way:


    Maybe if we give our southern fellow country women and men a helping hand they and we will become more connected instead of being at each others throats. 


    The utility situations in California and Texas are very comparable, and somewhat proves trumps point of a liberal media bias.

    In Texas, the liberal media was quick to correctly point out it is the republican state governments responsibility to regulate, review and approve every dollar that  is spent to improve assets, yet in California, the liberal media constantly vilifies the utility and holds the democratic state government nearly blameless, even when the evidence is overwhelming the state of California rejected attempts to invest in infrastructure improvements. 

    In order to turn the page, it’s important for all of us who vote to understand what we are voting for. And most voters do not fully understand the government’s enormous role in utility management, I guess until it’s a republican state that screws up.
  • static111
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    I wish they would have gotten some of the big mobile power generators down here while the outages were at their worst, that would have been a big help.   Having worked on them I know that fema has mobile generators that can quickly be mobilized during disasters to power hospitals, water plants, city power etc.   

    it’s great that something is being done albeit a little late. There is definitely work to do restoring the water mains and the power grid. I just hope no public dollars for to the upgrading of the private grid.  Hopefully public funds will be tied to increased regulations, or the private for profit deregulated grid will be held responsible and have to pay for their own winterizing efforts etc.

    If I understand the facts correctly, 75% of the power was restored within 5 days. Moving big mobile power generators takes time, unlikely to have gotten there in time and then installed.

    texans knew to have winter coats yet its leaders did not know to winterize its utility assets. Unfortunately Texans got exactly what they voted for. Sometimes the best solution is to communicate the harshest reality so history doesn’t repeat itself.
    Half of voting Texans got what they voted for, through gerrymandering and years of voter suppression.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:

    The family of an 11-year-old who died in Texas is suing power company Entergy and grid operator Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) for more than $100 million, citing gross negligence over the boy's death. Cristian Pavon died on Tuesday after a frigid night in his family's mobile home in Conroe, Texas.

    The home had been without power since the Sunday before. 

    As CBS Houston affiliate KHOU reports, the lawsuit claims Pavon died of hypothermia. A cause of death has yet to be released by medical examiners.

    The family is being represented by attorney Tony Buzbee. CBS News has reached out for comment.

    Pavon's mother, Maria Elisa Pineda Guzman, said the family had been sleeping in one room to keep warm. "He fell asleep. He had a shirt, a sweater, two pairs of pants, socks on," Pavon's aunt, Jaliza Yera, told K'HOU. His stepfather checked on him later that evening and put another blanket over him.

    The family tried to wake up Pavon on Tuesday afternoon but he was unresponsive. The family told KHOU that they tried calling 911 but were waiting on a Spanish-language operator.

    KHOU obtained statements from Entergy and ERCOT about the case. "We are deeply saddened by the loss of life in our community. We are unable to comment due to pending litigation," Entergy responded.

    ERCOT released a statement saying it had yet to review the lawsuit. "[We] will respond accordingly when we do. Our thoughts are with all Texans who have or are suffering due to this past week."

    "However, because approximately 46% of privately-owned generators tripped offline this past Monday morning, we are confident that our grid operators made the right choice to avoid a statewide blackout," ERCOT said.

    via cbs news

    This must have been an electric only Mobile home.  That is awful for the family.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,385
    I was in Jackson Mississippi in 2009 when a freak snowstorm hit.  A cold spell followed.  It was only 6" of snow but the local news and radio stations were begging people to not go out if you don't have to.  I was surprised at how bad it sounded so I wanted to be a looky lou and on the way home drove through town rather than around it and I couldn't understand what the panic was all about?  My buddy says that down south this NEVER happens so people just aren't used to it or prepared for it.

    Something else that the infrastructure wasn't prepared for was water pipes freezing and bursting.  The frost line wasn't nearly deep enough for the pipes not to freeze.  The city spent the next month asking people to use bottled water until all the pipes were repaired as it might not be safe to drink.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2021
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Here's a thread that's a bit over-due.  The Texas freeze has been talked about elsewhere but it is a major even and the discussion really does not relate to the PG&E thread.

    So OK, most of us here are at least left-leaning if not outright die-hard liberals, but what has and is happening in Texas is a human issue and, believe it or not, not all Texans are cretins deserving of a slow and painful death.  Take my aunt-in-law and cousin-in-law who live there.  Wonderful, lovely people. We have wonderful forum members here we care about.  Let's keep this humane.

    What I'm hoping for is that we'll see people across the nation help out in a time of need.  It looks like the Biden and the feds via FEMA are stepping up as they should be.  Here's what's going on that way:


    Maybe if we give our southern fellow country women and men a helping hand they and we will become more connected instead of being at each others throats. 


    The utility situations in California and Texas are very comparable, and somewhat proves trumps point of a liberal media bias.

    In Texas, the liberal media was quick to correctly point out it is the republican state governments responsibility to regulate, review and approve every dollar that  is spent to improve assets, yet in California, the liberal media constantly vilifies the utility and holds the democratic state government nearly blameless, even when the evidence is overwhelming the state of California rejected attempts to invest in infrastructure improvements. 

    In order to turn the page, it’s important for all of us who vote to understand what we are voting for. And most voters do not fully understand the government’s enormous role in utility management, I guess until it’s a republican state that screws up.
    That’s a good point.  The one in 2003 was a pretty big deal and effected mostly liberal states.  
    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/photos-15-years-since-the-2003-northeast-blackout/567410/
    New Yorkers were without power for 2 weeks after hurricane Sandy...(shouldn’t the infrastructure be prepared for hurricanes by now)?
    The 2011 Southwest blackout was no walk in the park:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Southwest_blackout
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    PJPOWER said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Here's a thread that's a bit over-due.  The Texas freeze has been talked about elsewhere but it is a major even and the discussion really does not relate to the PG&E thread.

    So OK, most of us here are at least left-leaning if not outright die-hard liberals, but what has and is happening in Texas is a human issue and, believe it or not, not all Texans are cretins deserving of a slow and painful death.  Take my aunt-in-law and cousin-in-law who live there.  Wonderful, lovely people. We have wonderful forum members here we care about.  Let's keep this humane.

    What I'm hoping for is that we'll see people across the nation help out in a time of need.  It looks like the Biden and the feds via FEMA are stepping up as they should be.  Here's what's going on that way:


    Maybe if we give our southern fellow country women and men a helping hand they and we will become more connected instead of being at each others throats. 


    The utility situations in California and Texas are very comparable, and somewhat proves trumps point of a liberal media bias.

    In Texas, the liberal media was quick to correctly point out it is the republican state governments responsibility to regulate, review and approve every dollar that  is spent to improve assets, yet in California, the liberal media constantly vilifies the utility and holds the democratic state government nearly blameless, even when the evidence is overwhelming the state of California rejected attempts to invest in infrastructure improvements. 

    In order to turn the page, it’s important for all of us who vote to understand what we are voting for. And most voters do not fully understand the government’s enormous role in utility management, I guess until it’s a republican state that screws up.
    That’s a good point.  The one in 2003 was a pretty big deal and effected mostly liberal states.  
    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/photos-15-years-since-the-2003-northeast-blackout/567410/
    New Yorkers were without power for 2 weeks after hurricane Sandy...(shouldn’t the infrastructure be prepared for hurricanes by now)?
    The 2011 Southwest blackout was no walk in the park:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Southwest_blackout
    Sandy wasn't a hurricane but a perfect storm if you will.  It was more of a Tsunami that took out the power grid here.  NY also changed laws so that gas stations have to have a back up generator in case such an event happens again.

    NY did learn from it.  NYers learned from it too.

    Want to hear something crazy?  Clinton when in the Senate here proposed a multi billion dollar plan to stop such a surge of weather from hurricanes and storms alike.  I for one thought she was nuts.  I was also wrong.  The amount of money that was spent on infrastructure here in mind numbing.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

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  • static111
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    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    Holy fuck. I grew up in northern Michigan, 45 minutes from the Canadian border.  I know snow! What we just experienced in Texas was a fucking Alberta clipper From Hell! Anyone that thinks that kind of snow could be a false flag, probably should just die.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    Holy fuck. I grew up in northern Michigan, 45 minutes from the Canadian border.  I know snow! What we just experienced in Texas was a fucking Alberta clipper From Hell! Anyone that thinks that kind of snow could be a false flag, probably should just die.

    It's really disappointing that the Deep State had the ability to blanket most of the second-biggest state in phony snow and to make it fall so uniformly from the sky (covering thousands of square miles, mind you) and they can't even use the space lasers to take out Fox News's satellites.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,889
    PJPOWER said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Here's a thread that's a bit over-due.  The Texas freeze has been talked about elsewhere but it is a major even and the discussion really does not relate to the PG&E thread.

    So OK, most of us here are at least left-leaning if not outright die-hard liberals, but what has and is happening in Texas is a human issue and, believe it or not, not all Texans are cretins deserving of a slow and painful death.  Take my aunt-in-law and cousin-in-law who live there.  Wonderful, lovely people. We have wonderful forum members here we care about.  Let's keep this humane.

    What I'm hoping for is that we'll see people across the nation help out in a time of need.  It looks like the Biden and the feds via FEMA are stepping up as they should be.  Here's what's going on that way:


    Maybe if we give our southern fellow country women and men a helping hand they and we will become more connected instead of being at each others throats. 


    The utility situations in California and Texas are very comparable, and somewhat proves trumps point of a liberal media bias.

    In Texas, the liberal media was quick to correctly point out it is the republican state governments responsibility to regulate, review and approve every dollar that  is spent to improve assets, yet in California, the liberal media constantly vilifies the utility and holds the democratic state government nearly blameless, even when the evidence is overwhelming the state of California rejected attempts to invest in infrastructure improvements. 

    In order to turn the page, it’s important for all of us who vote to understand what we are voting for. And most voters do not fully understand the government’s enormous role in utility management, I guess until it’s a republican state that screws up.
    That’s a good point.  The one in 2003 was a pretty big deal and effected mostly liberal states.  
    https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/photos-15-years-since-the-2003-northeast-blackout/567410/
    New Yorkers were without power for 2 weeks after hurricane Sandy...(shouldn’t the infrastructure be prepared for hurricanes by now)?
    The 2011 Southwest blackout was no walk in the park:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Southwest_blackout

    “ shouldn’t the infrastructure be prepared for hurricanes by now)?”

    90mph winds, ocean storm surges, and wildfires have the power to immediately destroy assets no matter what improvements are made.

    Humans have proven, in hundreds of localities across the world, utility assets can be successfully winterized.

    After sandy, assets near the shore like substations have mostly been raised ten feet, but if climate conditions continue to deteriorate and the next big storm has a 15 foot surge? 
  • mickeyrat
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
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    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
    If the government can control weather, then I am requesting 72 with low humidity this Summer. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
    They took a torch to snow and it didn't melt right?

    You mean it didn't melt how they thought it should?
  • mickeyrat
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
    They took a torch to snow and it didn't melt right?

    You mean it didn't melt how they thought it should?
    yes. apparently it vaporized.
    steamed likely .
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    And y’all thought those contrails were just jet engine exhaust. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
    They took a torch to snow and it didn't melt right?

    You mean it didn't melt how they thought it should?
    yes. apparently it vaporized.
    steamed likely .
    Ice heated up to a high temperature turned into a gas?  ya don't say?
  • tbergs
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The conspiracy theory that Texas's snow is fake and made by the government has enough legs that snopes is weighing in.

    I would love to find the thread where this is actually discussed to make Snopes put something out about it, or "threads" but then again they believe that Snopes is funded by Soros and the deep state too.

    local radio mentioned it. tik tok video. torch on a sbowball. vaporied it so because it didnt melt to liquid its fake.
    They took a torch to snow and it didn't melt right?

    You mean it didn't melt how they thought it should?
    yes. apparently it vaporized.
    steamed likely .
    Ice heated up to a high temperature turned into a gas?  ya don't say?
    Fuckin' science does it every time! Damn egg heads and their made up theories. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    wasn’t fake at all, sad that that was out there.  I got out unscathed with only no power for three days and no water for two. I just loaned $10k today to an employee of mine to help her family pay for home repairs while she waits for her homeowners insurance to do something to help her.  I wouldn’t even have had it if not for the ppp!
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  • josevolution
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    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    So Texans are getting $10,000 utility bills...

    God bless deregulation!
    That’s the cost of freedom I guess
    Don’t forget 2A as long as they can carry they’ll take being frozen over not being able to open carry! That will always Trump over anything else..
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