* DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED FOR A SECOND TIME * (392 days after the first)

Gern Blansten · February 2021

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

Eugene Goodman was everywhere that day. He led those morons upstairs and away from the reps and sens...then he appears out of nowhere to save Mitt from (well, death, most likely).

He's the January 6 MVP.

Didn't he save Mitt before he lead them upstairs?

He definitely told Mitt to go the other direction. Hard to say what would have happened but tRumpsters probably aren't happy with Mitt even though the fucking idiots likely voted for him eight years ago.

The Juggler · February 2021

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gimmesometruth27 said:

the funniest thing is all of those rioters that are facing criminal charges are going to go to jail and the person most responsible for bringing them to DC is going to walk away without any issues.

Well, I'd say even if he is not convicted, this will have long lasting damage on him. Unlike the last impeachment, this one is really easy for regular people who do not follow things on a regular basis to understand. The pictures and the videos are heart wrenching and riveting. I'm sure there will be January 6th remembrances moving forward. Get used to seeing those images, along with Trump's words, and images of Marge Green, Hawley, Cruz etc every election cycle for the foreseeable future. This is the republican party. We can not let the American people forget it.

I'm just hoping we'll at least get 4-8 republicans to vote to convict at this point.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2021

does susan collins think trump learned his lesson this time? LOL

The Juggler · February 2021

2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

does susan collins think trump learned his lesson this time? LOL

I hear she is concerned.

I'd be shocked if she doesn't vote to convict.

tbergs · February 2021

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

does susan collins think trump learned his lesson this time? LOL

I hear she is concerned.

I'd be shocked if she doesn't vote to convict.

She's one of the gang of 6 so far who are breaking rank. I don't see how any who found the impeachment to be constitutional wouldn't convict. The evidence is overwhelming.

mickeyrat · February 2021

7:43 p.m.

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Trump’s Senate allies Graham, Lee and Cruz huddle with defense team

By Colby Itkowitz

After the Senate trial adjourned Thursday, three of Donald Trump’s chamber allies, Sens. Lindsey O. Graham, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, were seen entering a room to meet with the former president’s attorneys.

After their meeting, Trump attorney David Schoen told reporters the senators were just “talking about procedure,” called them “friendly guys” and said they did not tip him off to questions they would be asking.

They discussed “just how this format goes, you know, the question-and-answer period, all that,” Schoen said. “And then just talking about where they’re from and all that, but it’s just very nice. I said to them it was a great honor to have the opportunity to talk to them.”

During the impeachment trial, the senators are supposed to be impartial jurors, listening to the evidence from both sides before voting on whether to convict.

But most senators, including Graham (R-S.C.), Lee (R-Utah) and Cruz (R-Tex.), have predetermined Trump’s innocence, as many Democrats have already decided he is guilty.

Then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) set a precedent during the first Trump impeachment of conferring with the defense.

“Exactly how we go forward, I’m going to coordinate with the president’s lawyers,” McConnell said then in 2019. “The case is so darn weak coming over from the House. We all know how it’s going to end. There is no chance the president is going to be removed from office. My hope is that there won’t be a Republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment.”

Democrats assailed McConnell for violating his would-be oath to do “impartial justice” as a juror in the trial.

brianlux · February 2021

I hate to say it but most of these dipshit Republican senators who are sitting through the impeachment trial picking their nose, doodling, and day dreaming about who-knows-what (or even wants to know) have already made up their minds, and all the evidence and video from 1/6 and impassioned speeches in the world are not going to change their already made up minds about not wanting to vote their conscience but, rather, their current status. I wish I were wrong, but I'll be very surprised if Chump is convicted.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2021

POOTWH was offered the opportunity to appear in the senate chamber and answer questions posed and it refused. Pick a quote from below and defend it. I dare you.

There was no collusion.”

“I have nothing to hide.”

“I don’t know any Russians.”

“I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.”

“We do everything by the book.”

“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

“Very legal, very cool.”

“Fully exonerated.”

“Essentially no obstruction.”

“Very friendly and totally appropriate.”

“No quid pro quo.”

“Imminent threat.”

“I thought he was Israeli.”

OnWis97 · February 2021

brianlux said:

I hate to say it but most of these dipshit Republican senators who are sitting through the impeachment trial picking their nose, doodling, and day dreaming about who-knows-what (or even wants to know) have already made up their minds, and all the evidence and video from 1/6 and impassioned speeches in the world are not going to change their already made up minds about not wanting to vote their conscience but, rather, their current status. I wish I were wrong, but I'll be very surprised if Chump is convicted.

All 100 have made up their minds. I would guess all 50 Dems will vote to convict. The GOP vote is far more interesting. Obviously, there aren’t 17 votes there. I’d guess about five. But I do love how badly so many of these careerists wish they didn’t have to vote.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2021

mickeyrat said:

7:43 p.m.
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Trump’s Senate allies Graham, Lee and Cruz huddle with defense team
By Colby Itkowitz
After the Senate trial adjourned Thursday, three of Donald Trump’s chamber allies, Sens. Lindsey O. Graham, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, were seen entering a room to meet with the former president’s attorneys.
After their meeting, Trump attorney David Schoen told reporters the senators were just “talking about procedure,” called them “friendly guys” and said they did not tip him off to questions they would be asking.
They discussed “just how this format goes, you know, the question-and-answer period, all that,” Schoen said. “And then just talking about where they’re from and all that, but it’s just very nice. I said to them it was a great honor to have the opportunity to talk to them.”
During the impeachment trial, the senators are supposed to be impartial jurors, listening to the evidence from both sides before voting on whether to convict.
But most senators, including Graham (R-S.C.), Lee (R-Utah) and Cruz (R-Tex.), have predetermined Trump’s innocence, as many Democrats have already decided he is guilty.
Then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) set a precedent during the first Trump impeachment of conferring with the defense.
“Exactly how we go forward, I’m going to coordinate with the president’s lawyers,” McConnell said then in 2019. “The case is so darn weak coming over from the House. We all know how it’s going to end. There is no chance the president is going to be removed from office. My hope is that there won’t be a Republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment.”
Democrats assailed McConnell for violating his would-be oath to do “impartial justice” as a juror in the trial.

this is just such a sham. imagine if we found out that juror #7, 11, and 5 were secretly having dinner with the accused and his lawyers during a murder trial. I know a senate trial isn't the same as a legal trial, and doesn't have the same requirements, but come on....this is ridiculous.

did democrats on the senate convene with clinton and his lawyers during his impeachment?

mickeyrat · February 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

mickeyrat said:

7:43 p.m.
Link copied
Trump’s Senate allies Graham, Lee and Cruz huddle with defense team
By Colby Itkowitz
After the Senate trial adjourned Thursday, three of Donald Trump’s chamber allies, Sens. Lindsey O. Graham, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, were seen entering a room to meet with the former president’s attorneys.
After their meeting, Trump attorney David Schoen told reporters the senators were just “talking about procedure,” called them “friendly guys” and said they did not tip him off to questions they would be asking.
They discussed “just how this format goes, you know, the question-and-answer period, all that,” Schoen said. “And then just talking about where they’re from and all that, but it’s just very nice. I said to them it was a great honor to have the opportunity to talk to them.”
During the impeachment trial, the senators are supposed to be impartial jurors, listening to the evidence from both sides before voting on whether to convict.
But most senators, including Graham (R-S.C.), Lee (R-Utah) and Cruz (R-Tex.), have predetermined Trump’s innocence, as many Democrats have already decided he is guilty.
Then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) set a precedent during the first Trump impeachment of conferring with the defense.
“Exactly how we go forward, I’m going to coordinate with the president’s lawyers,” McConnell said then in 2019. “The case is so darn weak coming over from the House. We all know how it’s going to end. There is no chance the president is going to be removed from office. My hope is that there won’t be a Republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment.”
Democrats assailed McConnell for violating his would-be oath to do “impartial justice” as a juror in the trial.

this is just such a sham. imagine if we found out that juror #7, 11, and 5 were secretly having dinner with the accused and his lawyers during a murder trial. I know a senate trial isn't the same as a legal trial, and doesn't have the same requirements, but come on....this is ridiculous.

did democrats on the senate convene with clinton and his lawyers during his impeachment?

good question. I'd say no.

JeBurkhardt · February 2021

gimmesometruth27 said:

the funniest thing is all of those rioters that are facing criminal charges are going to go to jail and the person most responsible for bringing them to DC is going to walk away without any issues.

To quote Mel Brooks "It's good to be the King'"

tbergs · February 2021

JeBurkhardt said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the funniest thing is all of those rioters that are facing criminal charges are going to go to jail and the person most responsible for bringing them to DC is going to walk away without any issues.

To quote Mel Brooks "It's good to be the King'"

Trump is the Walder Frey of the republican party. The question is, where the hell is Arya?

tbergs · February 2021

Wow, Schoen is really misrepresenting prior statements and claims.

tbergs · February 2021

Now we're moving on to a Kavanaugh style reasoning that it's democrat hate leading this impeachment.

JeBurkhardt · February 2021

tbergs said:

JeBurkhardt said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

the funniest thing is all of those rioters that are facing criminal charges are going to go to jail and the person most responsible for bringing them to DC is going to walk away without any issues.

To quote Mel Brooks "It's good to be the King'"

Trump is the Walder Frey of the republican party. The question is, where the hell is Arya?

Confession time, I have never seen GOT. I had to look up who that was. I really need to get the free trial of HBO Max and binge the crap out of it before the free trial is up.

Kat · February 2021

https://twitter.com/kentbernard64/status/1360310180987080704

Ledbetterman10 · February 2021

https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1360320460462968838?s=20

The Juggler · February 2021

2021

3 hours. lol

tbergs · February 2021

From WaPo:

A key part of Trump’s impeachment defense was already undercut by his own attorney

By Philip Bump

February 12 at 1:45 PM CST

Three-hundred seventy-seven times.

According to an automated transcription of the first two hours of presentations by Donald Trump’s defense attorneys at his impeachment trial Friday, that’s the number of times that the word “fight” was heard in the Senate chamber. Most of those came in the form of lengthy videos in which Democratic legislators were shown using the word in a political context: minutes-long barrages of various politicians saying “fight” “fight” “fight” over and over.

The idea offered by Trump’s team is that similar language is so common in politics that Trump’s repeated deployment of it on the morning of Jan. 6, shortly before the Capitol was overrun by his supporters, should be seen as something unremarkable. If people are so used to hearing that phrase deployed in a political context, the argument seems to go, why would they have suddenly seized upon it in this moment as a spur to violence?

As it turns out, that question has already been answered — by one of Trump’s attorneys.

In an interview on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program Tuesday, Trump attorney David Schoen speculated on the difference this time around. Schoen and Hannity were discussing examples of Democrats using the same word in different ways over the years, prompting Schoen to explain the difference.

“They’re using rhetoric that’s just as inflammatory, or more so,” he said of the Democrats. “The problem is, they don’t really have followers, you know, their dedicated followers and so — you know, when they give their speeches.”

We can read between the lines: The Democrats’ language was “just as inflammatory” but “the problem” they had — apparently preventing them from seeing their supporters lose control — is that they don’t have “dedicated followers.”

This probably isn’t really what Schoen was hoping viewers would take away from the discussion. He was on Hannity and probably just trying to score some points by dinging the Democrats for not having the same fervency in their base that Trump does. Which is broadly true, of course. No politician has a base as energetic and large as Trump’s — though probably no politician has worked as hard to rile up his base as has the former president.

But that’s the point, of course. The difference between Trump saying “fight” Jan. 6 was not that his supporters heard that particular word and, like an unwitting assassin in a bad action flick were suddenly triggered to push toward the Capitol. The problem was, instead, that Trump had actually conditioned his base of support for months to believe that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, and he insisted that morning that the final opportunity to avert that theft was at hand.

“All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing, and stolen by the fake news media,” he said that morning.

“The Republicans have to get tougher,” he said at another point. “You’re not going to have a Republican Party if you don’t get tougher. They want to play so straight. …'Sir, yes, the United States Constitution doesn’t allow me to send them back to the States.'

Well, I say, yes, it does, because the Constitution says you have to protect our country and you have to protect our Constitution, and you can’t vote on fraud. And fraud breaks up everything, doesn’t it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you’re allowed to go by very different rules.”

“I said something’s wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened,” he concluded. “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

That’s not just “fight.” That’s something else, said to a base who deeply believed that Trump’s victory had been snatched away — just as he said again that morning. Trump did have a base of support which was dedicated to his false argument, unlike those Democrats Schoen mocked and the Trump defense team quoted Friday.

As we’ve pointed out, there’s a difference in the meaning of words and phrases depending on context. The standard asterisk applied to the First Amendment is instructive: You can shout “fire” if you see a fire, but you can’t shout “fire” in a crowded theater when there isn’t one.

Likewise, you can say “we need to fight for our future” to a group of volunteers at a political rally shortly before an election because you understand that it’s unlikely anyone loosely familiar with the English language will then go start a physical fight with a political opponent. It is far riskier to cap off months of false claims about the core of American democracy being undermined by telling a group of angry, determined supporters that the last chance to avert that crime was at hand.

In other words, Schoen’s right. Democrats used language similar to that used by Trump — and the crucial difference lay in who heard it.

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