The coronavirus

F Me In The Brain said:

Also.  .."the vaccine is probably more harmful to you than the virus" was a great post.  We need to keep that in mind when reading anything else you share with us 

Stay safe, keep that mask up.

Don’t you mean, “keep that face diaper up?”

I don’t waste my time with paper mask...

me shopping.

bootlegger10 said:

If there is some conspiracy for the elite then it is worldwide and not just the US.  Calling masks "face diapers" makes me want to put you in the MAGA crowd because it is silly to think that masks don't help in some form. 

The rules do seem arbitrary though and frustrating.    Airports can be packed, can fly on planes, shop at Wal-Mart and Home Depot, etc... but restaurants have to shutdown or golf courses have to be closed?   

When I see “face diapers” I assume that means they work. I wouldn’t hold a baby 2 seconds if he wasn’t wearing a diaper.

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Also.  .."the vaccine is probably more harmful to you than the virus" was a great post.  We need to keep that in mind when reading anything else you share with us 

Stay safe, keep that mask up.

I stand by it.  Please take it into consideration.  Vaccines typically take 5-10 years to develop.  This one took what, 8 months?  

The virus on the other hand is so bad, we are testing perfectly healthy people to know they have it.  Most healthy people have nothing more than a cold or other small symptoms.  

Under the current circumstances, I would rather take my chances with the virus opposed to potential side effects of the virus.  In a few years once we see the results from the vaccine, might consider taking it then.  Not to post another link, but Alex Berenson has been all over the vaccine deaths that are reported, just do not make the news.  Give him a read.  And I don’t condemn anyone for wanting the vaccine, that is their choice.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1352673049561198594

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1352698454464724992

Last thing then I am gone for a while, what is the one thing that the average person should take from this? To be healthier.  Eat better.  Exercise.  Get outside.  Can you agree to that?  But what is happening?  We are being locked in our house.  Gyms are closed.  Eating bad.  Stress.  Worry.  How come no one is reporting that we should be living healthier lifestyles?

Yall have a good night!  Officially signing off tonight for a bit.  Daughter has two games the next two days then softball is starting up.  God Bless you all and stay healthy!

Who’s “locked in their house?” Delusional.Eat better? People are because they’re cooking at home with more time to do so. Whether it’s healthier or not is up to the individuals. Gyms closed? Some are, some aren’t. Americans have had one of the poorest health statistics compared to other wealthy nations for quite some time, well before the pandemic, paying more for health insurance with worse outcomes. I’m sure you remember the vilification of Michele Obama for planting a garden, encouraging the eating of more fruits and vegetables, healthier diets in general and advocating for a much healthier school lunch program? Yup, no reporting of how Americans should lead healthier lifestyles, ever.

F Me In The Brain said:

I looked up Alex Berenson.

Fuck

That

Guy

He's a loon.

This loon? I’m telling ya, this nation is fucked and Faux news and their guest loons like Berenson are why. Good luck, ‘Murica.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/ex-new-york-times-alex-berenson-coronavirus-skeptic

In the weeks and months after people get vaccinated we will indeed see people die. Some will die to myocardial infarcts, some will die of strokes, some of pulmonary emboli, some of pneumonia, some of cancer, and some of dementia. Some will also die of motorvehicle crashes, gunshot wounds, and food poisoning. In addition, some people will get married, some will get divorced, some will change job and some will move house. You might even get a few who write a book or record a song. That's because all of these things happen as life goes on - the pandemic doesn't make them stop, and vaccination doesn't make them stop. 

It's just as silly to argue that vaccination is causing novels to happen as it is to argue that it's causing all of the deaths that occur afterward.

We have data from tens of thousands of people in controlled trials, and now we are gathering data from millions of people. At this point the data do not show an increased risk of death related to vaccination. 

Correlation is not causation. 

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Also.  .."the vaccine is probably more harmful to you than the virus" was a great post.  We need to keep that in mind when reading anything else you share with us 

Stay safe, keep that mask up.

I stand by it.  Please take it into consideration.  Vaccines typically take 5-10 years to develop.  This one took what, 8 months?  

“Sometimes people think that these vaccines just popped out of nowhere over a period of 4 months,” Hotez said. But “this is not a 4-month process. This is a 17-year process.”

Research on pandemic-causing coronaviruses and vaccines to protect against them began after the emergence of a related virus that caused the SARS outbreak in 2003.”

Forgot to quote the interview.
This sounds a little misleading with elements of truth in it.
These vaccines were rushed. He says at least twice they weren’t. That’s not true, they flat out were. They didn’t receive the typical FDA process and approval, they were granted emergency use. That’s enough right there to say it was rushed.
These vaccines haven’t been developed over 17 years either. He doesn’t really say these vaccines were developed over 17 years, kind of totes the line and dancing around it and says it’s a 17 year process. I’d rate that partially true since the knowledge they gained over the last 17 years did help make this vaccine. But we don’t even know how effective the vaccines are against the new strains of Covid-19. It would be more accurate to say these vaccines are new, but utilize the research over the last 17 years to make them.
The vaccine trials went from phase 1 to phase 3 and emergency approval in about 4 months. That is extremely rushed by any standards, I don’t know why anyone would try to convince people otherwise. Instead of saying it wasn’t rushed, just say we used 17 years of research to develop this vaccine. It was tested on tens of thousands and now millions have received it without any concerns of severe side effects or long term effects. Because that’s what it is. 

gvn2fly1421 said:

tish said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

My position is this, time to move on.  The Election is over and Biden is in.  Time to let everyone get their life back to normal.  Time to take the masks off and get back to work.  Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms.  Most importantly, time to stop testing people.  Period.  Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it?  The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all.  They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering.  I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not.  Y’all have seen them.  

Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.

I'm not sure that disputing covid-19 science deniers is the best approch. It's recommended we:
1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!)
2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS)
3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)

Last response for a while, much to the delight of all here I am sure, but I am not sure if this agrees with me or not.  I do empathize with those suffering and those kids who are not in school.  My wife and I decided to send our daughter to private school this year.  Best decision we have ever made.  She is excelling.  Other kids in my county are not as lucky.

Not sure what point 2 means, but I have certainly
pointed out all the hypocrisy.  And my thing is this, these “experts” and leaders are setting these strict rules because of this deadly virus, YET they do not even follow their own advice.  Again, I am fine with them living their life, just stop with all the talk and lets move on.

yes, there are some experts and those in political power pulling "do as I say, not as I do", but those aren't the norm, they are the exception. you are falling for the old media trope of guilty by association; "if one politician is lying, then all of them are". they need you to be outraged in order to keep you engaged. 

going back to normal is the worst thing anyone can do. it would overwhelm the healthcare system, and it would cause situations like they had in Italy and Spain where they had to choose who lived or died; ventilators are a finite supply, while breath is an infinite demand. 

lockdowns, as shitty as they are, DO work. the 8 week lockdown we just slightly came out of yesterday worked. so they loosed restrictions a bit. this sucks but this is life for the time being. i'm getting so sick of people shouting "freedom". we all want to be back to normal. and it sucks that some people have to sacrifice more than others; the small business owners, the kids missing their friends, the seniors being isolated, etc. but this isn't some "grand reset" or some stupid fucking conspiracy to control the masses. do you have any idea how many people would have to be in on it for that to be the case?

it's not "just the flu". 40 year olds don't die from the flu. and your suggestion that we sacrifice the old because "they'd die soon anyway" is horrendously callous. i doubt you'd have that attitude if it were your family member. this is the trouble i have with conservatives in many cases: they don't give a flying fuck about other people until they are personally affected (or if it's to control women). 

ditch the masks? great idea. let's start sneezing all over each other again. that's a fabulous plan. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

tish said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

My position is this, time to move on.  The Election is over and Biden is in.  Time to let everyone get their life back to normal.  Time to take the masks off and get back to work.  Time to take the masks off of school kids and get them back in the classrooms.  Most importantly, time to stop testing people.  Period.  Name a disease/virus so bad that we have to test them to know they have it?  The rich/elite have made an absolute killing During this time where the common person has lost all.  They are jetting all over the world living their best life while the rest of us are locked down and suffering.  I could post numerous “Rules are for thee, not for me“ links but I will not.  Y’all have seen them.  

Please someone dispute anything I said and leave the clown emojis and Q and Trumper stuff out of it.

I'm not sure that disputing covid-19 science deniers is the best approch. It's recommended we:
1. Try to empathize (Gee, it sure sucks that we are not back to normal yet, have to wear masks, and have some kids remote learning. I'm glad some children can participate in some sports in some places! Your kid is lucky! School and sports are important for our youth!)
2. Point out areas where they are right (like hypocrisy and the new POTUS)
3. Hit em with facts. (Although some articles says this doesn't work. I won't bother since Weston has commented based on his expertise in the scientific community.)

Last response for a while, much to the delight of all here I am sure, but I am not sure if this agrees with me or not.  I do empathize with those suffering and those kids who are not in school.  My wife and I decided to send our daughter to private school this year.  Best decision we have ever made.  She is excelling.  Other kids in my county are not as lucky.

Not sure what point 2 means, but I have certainly
pointed out all the hypocrisy.  And my thing is this, these “experts” and leaders are setting these strict rules because of this deadly virus, YET they do not even follow their own advice.  Again, I am fine with them living their life, just stop with all the talk and lets move on.

yes, there are some experts and those in political power pulling "do as I say, not as I do", but those aren't the norm, they are the exception. you are falling for the old media trope of guilty by association; "if one politician is lying, then all of them are". they need you to be outraged in order to keep you engaged. 

going back to normal is the worst thing anyone can do. it would overwhelm the healthcare system, and it would cause situations like they had in Italy and Spain where they had to choose who lived or died; ventilators are a finite supply, while breath is an infinite demand. 

lockdowns, as shitty as they are, DO work. the 8 week lockdown we just slightly came out of yesterday worked. so they loosed restrictions a bit. this sucks but this is life for the time being. i'm getting so sick of people shouting "freedom". we all want to be back to normal. and it sucks that some people have to sacrifice more than others; the small business owners, the kids missing their friends, the seniors being isolated, etc. but this isn't some "grand reset" or some stupid fucking conspiracy to control the masses. do you have any idea how many people would have to be in on it for that to be the case?

it's not "just the flu". 40 year olds don't die from the flu. and your suggestion that we sacrifice the old because "they'd die soon anyway" is horrendously callous. i doubt you'd have that attitude if it were your family member. this is the trouble i have with conservatives in many cases: they don't give a flying fuck about other people until they are personally affected (or if it's to control women). 

ditch the masks? great idea. let's start sneezing all over each other again. that's a fabulous plan. 

HFD I agree