How easily can you admire a product of creativity despite the flaws of the one who created it?

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  • Posts: 12,912
    this is a hard question. I put sometimes.  There are actors, comedians and musicians who have done questionable or worse things but I can still watch or listen to.  Sadly part of it probably depends on what I thought of their art before I learned about their transgressions.  I can still listen to some Michael Jackson but have no interest in ever hearing or seeing Bill Cosby again.  I mean that makes no sense right?  I get that and can't give an answer to why.  So for me, sometimes I tune them out and sometimes I don't. 
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    I had a hard time with this question as well. 

    I can think of one example where my opinion changed on an artist after seeing them live.  It’s something I can’t help, any new music by this artist just doesn’t really appeal to me anymore because I had that one experience that did not sit well with me.

    The artist/band was the Foo Fighters.  Dave Grohl was so CRUDE, totally insulting to women, telling very graphic stories about women; basically indicating their purpose in life is to satisfy men.    

    I went to that show with two males, and we all walked out of there shocked at what we witnessed.  I was blown away that this was his front man persona.  


    I can see hwy you would be bummed.  What a shame!
    pjhawks said:
    this is a hard question. I put sometimes.  There are actors, comedians and musicians who have done questionable or worse things but I can still watch or listen to.  Sadly part of it probably depends on what I thought of their art before I learned about their transgressions.  I can still listen to some Michael Jackson but have no interest in ever hearing or seeing Bill Cosby again.  I mean that makes no sense right?  I get that and can't give an answer to why.  So for me, sometimes I tune them out and sometimes I don't. 
    That makes sense to me because I'm sometimes that way and don't know why.   I can think of a few artists I was a fan of early on years ago and later learned more about them and that pretty much left me cool to their work.  Others, on the other hand, I still enjoy.  It's hard to say why the discrepancy.  

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lotusland Posts: 6,965

    I had a hard time with this question as well. 

    I can think of one example where my opinion changed on an artist after seeing them live.  It’s something I can’t help, any new music by this artist just doesn’t really appeal to me anymore because I had that one experience that did not sit well with me.

    The artist/band was the Foo Fighters.  Dave Grohl was so CRUDE, totally insulting to women, telling very graphic stories about women; basically indicating their purpose in life is to satisfy men.    

    I went to that show with two males, and we all walked out of there shocked at what we witnessed.  I was blown away that this was his front man persona.  


    Wow!  That is do unexpected.  I’ve seen them a few times and that was not my experience at all.  Was this recent? Early in their career?  Post- divorce?  Regardless, I’m so sorry you had that experience.

    pjhawks said:
    this is a hard question. I put sometimes.  There are actors, comedians and musicians who have done questionable or worse things but I can still watch or listen to.  Sadly part of it probably depends on what I thought of their art before I learned about their transgressions.  I can still listen to some Michael Jackson but have no interest in ever hearing or seeing Bill Cosby again.  I mean that makes no sense right?  I get that and can't give an answer to why.  So for me, sometimes I tune them out and sometimes I don't. 
    I think your on to something there.  If you really liked or admired an artist before the negative behaviour was revealed, one is probably going to give them more leeway. I think, especially in the case of MJ, that he and his music was is much a part of the cultural zeitgeist if the 80s that we tapping our toes and singing a long before our brains kick in and question whether or not it’s appropriate.

    MJ I such a complicated one.  Mental illness, drug addiction, money, fame, abusive parents, his and the children, salacious gossip.  Also, unproven in a court of law, pedophilia charges; but that was because he could afford to pay his way out? I don’t go out of my way to listen to him, I never did, but if he comes on the radio I don’t think to immediately change the station.  Overall, everything to do with MJ is just sad on so many levels.
    "What the CANUCK happened?!? - Esquimalt Barber Shop
  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Poncier said:
    Anyone sleeping on a MyPillow?
    Have you felt a My Pillow? They are literally the lumpiest pillows ever made. I don't know how anyone can sleep on those things!

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:
    Have you felt a My Pillow? They are literally the lumpiest pillows ever made. I don't know how anyone can sleep on those things!

    I haven't felt one, but I heard it's chunks of memory foam.  I have a pillow made of little chunks of memory foam that I "got" from a surgical unit in a hospital and it's amazing...it does feel lumpy to the touch, but you don't feel that when you lay your head on it and I've been using it every night for 11 years and it hasn't flattened or lost loft at all. 
    Fuck that guy though.. 
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    PJ_Soul said:
    Have you felt a My Pillow? They are literally the lumpiest pillows ever made. I don't know how anyone can sleep on those things!

    They are asleep before they hit the pillow....typing out all of those Comet Ping Pong pizza stories really tires a right wing nutter MyPillow fan conspiracy theorist right out.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Posts: 5,818
    My Foos experience was a long time ago, I'd say early 2003-2004. I have spoken with a friend who was aware of that persona but did also indicate he has changed his ways on stage.  But that one experience was enough to turn me off.  I don't not listen when they come on the radio but I will never pay money to see them again.
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • My Foos experience was a long time ago, I'd say early 2003-2004. I have spoken with a friend who was aware of that persona but did also indicate he has changed his ways on stage.  But that one experience was enough to turn me off.  I don't not listen when they come on the radio but I will never pay money to see them again.
    Don't  blame you.  Not cool 


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