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  • Poncier
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    This weekend we rock Portland
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,855
    I will never shovel dirt on the patriots until Bill belichick is triple tapped and chained to concrete at the bottom of the ocean.  I will always have nightmares and need therapy for the past 20 years.

    But... you have to wonder if he can turn new England around again.  Interpersonally, there is no appeal for players.  The days of rock solid control likening to the days of George Halas and Lombardi are done.  Good coaches now aren't only smart and adaptable... they know how to respect players and their staff as individuals.  When they are perpetually winning and have an inside track to a superbowl, players will buy in and maybe even play at a discount for a title.  When they aren't winning?  Who wants to play for that grump?  You have to wonder if all those opt-outs aren't bad luck, but a symptom of how difficult life is under belichick.  I wonder if the drive of Brady created an environment of accountability and a glue that meshed with belichick's iron fist program.

    I could see belichick getting a lot of good value defensive players and scheming his way to 6-10 wins the next few seasons.  Or not.  He has been pretty abysmal at drafting in recent years. Outside of a few pesky Rex Ryan years, belichick has never experienced AFCE opponents as formidable as Miami and Buffalo appear to be.  Through the dynasty, new England could count on 4-6 easy division wins by default.  
  • pjhawks
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    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,893
    MayDay10 said:
      When they are perpetually winning and have an inside track to a superbowl, players will buy in and maybe even play at a discount for a title.  When they aren't winning?  Who wants to play for that grump?  You have to wonder if all those opt-outs aren't bad luck, but a symptom of how difficult life is under belichick.   
    Belichick has been uncharacteristically effusive with his praise for Cam Newton all season despite the obvious fact (to anyone with eyes) that Cam is pretty much cooked. I don't think that is a coincidence. Cam has reciprocated the praise and been a model citizen for the team and has said all the right things. I think they have a deal and each is using the other to get their image rehabilitated. Folks don't think Bill treated Brady with the respect he earned and just treated him like 1 out of 53, so now he is going above and beyond to treat Cam better than he seems to be deserving of, I think its to plant seeds for the future that NE is not that miserable of a place to play.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,919
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
    How do you explain Bill's losing record before and after Brady?  And yes they had an unbelievable defensive game in SB 53 and a putrid one in SB 52 against a backup QB.  Is your point that a dominant performance in SB 53 somehow means the greatest 20 year run in NFL history was because of that one game?   The greatest run in NFL history came about because  they had the greatest QB in history. Why is this hard to understand or admit? 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,256
    edited December 2020
    Playing for Bill is “work.” Playing for Bill is not “fun.” TB12 got tired of the grind of “work” and not having “fun,” as did Gronk,  plus felt dissed after catching wind of him being floated for a trade in 2017. I don’t blame him for leaving but at the end of the day, the NFL is a business and playing the game is “work” and not meant to be “fun.” I’m hopeful for a Bill lead Pats against a Brady lead TB super bowl at some point in the future. Cam is toast.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
    How do you explain Bill's losing record before and after Brady?  And yes they had an unbelievable defensive game in SB 53 and a putrid one in SB 52 against a backup QB.  Is your point that a dominant performance in SB 53 somehow means the greatest 20 year run in NFL history was because of that one game?   The greatest run in NFL history came about because  they had the greatest QB in history. Why is this hard to understand or admit? 
    You sound like someone who didn't see a single Patriots game from '01 - '04. 

    Go ahead, keep telling people it was all Brady. Expect people to keep laughing at you. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    Halifax2TheMax said:
     I’m hopeful for a Bill lead Pats against a Brady lead TB super bowl at some point in the future.

    don't hold your breath...
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Wobbie
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    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
    How do you explain Bill's losing record before and after Brady?  And yes they had an unbelievable defensive game in SB 53 and a putrid one in SB 52 against a backup QB.  Is your point that a dominant performance in SB 53 somehow means the greatest 20 year run in NFL history was because of that one game?   The greatest run in NFL history came about because  they had the greatest QB in history. Why is this hard to understand or admit? 

    hawks - I think BB could have done it with any number of competent QB's. cam is no longer competent.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • MayDay10
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    ikiT said:
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

    Hadn't been swept by the bills since 99.

    It was the first loss to the bills since fall of 2020
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791
    MayDay10 said:
    ikiT said:
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

    Hadn't been swept by the bills since 99.

    It was the first loss to the bills since fall of 2020
    Bills beat NE in W1 ‘03, 31-0... that was the Lawyer Milloy / “the New England Patriots hate their coach” game. 
    .
  • MayDay10
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    Merkin Baller said:
    MayDay10 said:
    ikiT said:
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

    Hadn't been swept by the bills since 99.

    It was the first loss to the bills since fall of 2020
    Bills beat NE in W1 ‘03, 31-0... that was the Lawyer Milloy / “the New England Patriots hate their coach” game. 
    .
    There was that one.  The one that the bills had a wild comeback with Fitzpatrick in 09 maybe?  There was a time where it was week 17 and Brady came out at halftime maybe 2012.  Then a time they pasted jacoby brissett when Brady was suspended in 2016?

    That's it I think in the 2000s until this season.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,791
    MayDay10 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    MayDay10 said:
    ikiT said:
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

    Hadn't been swept by the bills since 99.

    It was the first loss to the bills since fall of 2020
    Bills beat NE in W1 ‘03, 31-0... that was the Lawyer Milloy / “the New England Patriots hate their coach” game. 
    .
    There was that one.  The one that the bills had a wild comeback with Fitzpatrick in 09 maybe?  There was a time where it was week 17 and Brady came out at halftime maybe 2012.  Then a time they pasted jacoby brissett when Brady was suspended in 2016?

    That's it I think in the 2000s until this season.
    Correct... at the last minute Brissette got the start & Jimmy G didn’t even dress, which surprised everyone as he had been practicing all week & looked good.
  • Poncier
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    Wobbie said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
    How do you explain Bill's losing record before and after Brady?  And yes they had an unbelievable defensive game in SB 53 and a putrid one in SB 52 against a backup QB.  Is your point that a dominant performance in SB 53 somehow means the greatest 20 year run in NFL history was because of that one game?   The greatest run in NFL history came about because  they had the greatest QB in history. Why is this hard to understand or admit? 

    hawks - I think BB could have done it with any number of competent QB's. cam is no longer competent.
    And you would be wrong.
    Need a lot more than a competent QB to win 6 titles.
    If all it took was competent, Troy Aikman might have 6 rings.
    You continually post about Brady being a system QB and nothing special, you have no clue. The man is the all tie leader in TD passes, 2nd all time in pass yards and the all time leader in Super Bowl rings and Super Bowl MVPs, as well as a 3 time regular season MVP, that is not a system QB, that is the best to ever play the position.
    A system QB would be a guy with 165 career TDs to 141 career INTs who won 3 titles by mainly handing off to the league's all time leading rusher behind a dominant offensive line and threw the ball only when necessary. Wonder who that is?
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,893
    edited December 2020
    ikiT said:
    Hadn’t loss to the Bills since 1999. 

    Hadn't been swept by them since 99, lost a couple in the interim as others have pointed out.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,288
    Poncier said:
    Wobbie said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    pjhawks said:
    So can we now say it was Brady?
    lol 

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams
    losing record before Brady...losing record after Brady.  Must just be a coincidence
    lol 
    don't like facts and numbers huh?  i speak the truth.  dynasty was because they had the greatest QB of all time.  nothing wrong with admitting that.  
    I just posted an article detailing how the NE Defense set a record for points allowed in SB 53, and I'm the one who doesn't like facts or numbers? :D

    To answer your original question, yes, You can now say all the success was Brady. You can also expect people who have half a clue to laugh at you when you make that statement. 
    How do you explain Bill's losing record before and after Brady?  And yes they had an unbelievable defensive game in SB 53 and a putrid one in SB 52 against a backup QB.  Is your point that a dominant performance in SB 53 somehow means the greatest 20 year run in NFL history was because of that one game?   The greatest run in NFL history came about because  they had the greatest QB in history. Why is this hard to understand or admit? 

    hawks - I think BB could have done it with any number of competent QB's. cam is no longer competent.
    And you would be wrong.
    Need a lot more than a competent QB to win 6 titles.
    If all it took was competent, Troy Aikman might have 6 rings.
    You continually post about Brady being a system QB and nothing special, you have no clue. The man is the all tie leader in TD passes, 2nd all time in pass yards and the all time leader in Super Bowl rings and Super Bowl MVPs, as well as a 3 time regular season MVP, that is not a system QB, that is the best to ever play the position.
    A system QB would be a guy with 165 career TDs to 141 career INTs who won 3 titles by mainly handing off to the league's all time leading rusher behind a dominant offensive line and threw the ball only when necessary. Wonder who that is?

    I was thinking more steve young competent.

    ”best to ever play the position”? I can’t agree.

    besides, it’s a different game now. rules don’t allow TB to get fucking hammered like aikman, young, et al.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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