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mattsl1983 said:
just a couple of examples. I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means. It means giving the federal government more power.
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Regarding this thread, and engaging the "other side" as well, they need to get their house in order by starting with respecting and abiding by the constitution before the radical leftists want to debate policy or the merits thereof. Clean your own damn house, then we'll talk, okay? And for the love of the sweet baby jesus, don't forget your facts.
President-elect Joe Biden’s victory offered the cheerful prospect that we might begin to detoxify our politics. Maybe we could forget Donald Trump for a while and argue with at least a touch of civility about the actual problems our country faces.
Heck, some of us dared to imagine that we might treat each other with respect. After all, Biden said over and over that he wanted to be the president of all Americans and honored the dignity of voters who had supported Trump in the past by expressing an understanding of their discontents.
Moreover, bypassing more polarizing alternatives, Biden’s own party chose the candidate most likely to be acceptable to the other side, itself a form of outreach.
And the GOP’s response to the outreach? With just a handful of exceptions, abject refusal to stand up against the anti-democratic lunacy of Trump’s efforts to nullify the results of a fair election.
It is also a warning: Anyone advising Biden and members of his party to turn the other cheek and reach out to Republican congressional leaders as though none of this has happened is urging them down the path of political suicide.
Ronald Reagan’s expression of hopeful skepticism, “trust but verify,” is far too optimistic for what Biden faces. Republicans aren’t simply denying him a honeymoon; they’re either acquiescing to or advancing Trump’s bid to cast Biden’s presidency as illegitimate from the start.
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) rightly received praise last week when he condemned Trump for putting “overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election,” adding: “It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American president.”
But Romney’s statement is more a reason for distress than hope. It should not take political courage — whether from him, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie or GOP state officials in Michigan and Georgia — to recognize the simple fact that Biden won. Nor do you have to be liberal to recognize that a legal strategy based on throwing out ballots cast in heavily Black Detroit or Philadelphia is racist.
And you only need to honor the legacy of Abraham Lincoln and Dwight D. Eisenhower to be horrified that the Republican National Committee made itself the venue last week for an incendiary, untrue and insane statement by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell. Her screed was worthy of some marginal, anti-democratic, far-right nationalist party in some other country.
“American patriots are fed up with the corruption from the local level, to the highest level of our government,” she said, making you wonder who is president. “We are going to take this country back. We are not going to be intimidated. We are not going to back down. We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it, and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom.”
The ballots of the majority that did not “vote for freedom” by Powell’s bizarre definition — nearly 80 million so far — can be tossed into the dustbin.
That’s the party Biden has to deal with. And he can take no comfort if Republicans who stayed mum during Trump’s attempted election theft turn around later and pretend that they had nothing to do with this. Their silence is complicity.
This presents a challenge to those of us on the progressive side who in the past respected conservatism as a coherent and morally serious worldview. We saw it as a set of ideas, advanced by thinkers such as Edmund Burke and Robert Nisbet, dedicated to preserving what is good in our institutions and traditions. Even when we emphatically disagreed, we could understand why they might be skeptical of the unintended costs of some of the reforms we might put forward.
But now we confront a form of conservatism that openly disdains democracy, its rules and its obligations. In his book “Democracy and Tradition,” the philosopher and religion scholar Jeffrey Stout argues that “one thing a democratic people had better have in common is a form of ethical discourse, a way of exchanging reasons about ethical and political topics.”
Stout is a realist who knows that democratic citizens can spend a lot of time “slapping one another in the face.” But when politics is reduced to all slapping and no reasoning, and when the words “take this country back” mean keeping the loser of a free election in power by manipulating the truth and the law, we have traveled a long way from the democratic tradition.
Those who lack the conviction to sustain that tradition by defending rationality and the democratic rules of engagement forfeit their standing to ask the rest of us to believe that they are operating in good faith.
Opinion | Biden reaches out. The GOP slaps him in the face. - The Washington Post
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He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.0 -
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings
time and time again countries with so-called "leftist ideals" appear at or near the top of the heap of this list every single year.
what you call "leftist over reach" I tend to think of as extending a helping hand.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
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CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
I'll see your "fuck your feelings" and raise you a "you lost".
(not you personally, obviously).By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
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CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.it wasn't the "leftists" who won. It was a center-left politician.lost seats in the house._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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mickeyrat said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.it wasn't the "leftists" who won. It was a center-left politician.lost seats in the house.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.0 -
mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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Gern Blansten said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.0 -
mrussel1 said:Gern Blansten said:mrussel1 said:tempo_n_groove said:CM189191 said:tempo_n_groove said:He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.
To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.
I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR. It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.
Leftists won this election. It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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People might be surprised to learn that the OP argument is the same BS I hear right here in Alberta all.the.time. There are Trump fans here and it’s downright sickening.
Conservatism generally sticks specifically to economics although there are a few anti-abortion billboards in the southern-Alberta Bible Belt. Lots of Mormons down there.
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