Thread was closed because some people couldn’t handle it. Explanation of over reaching ideas.

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,189
    OnWis97 said:
    This is a great Trumper thread.  "I'm a victim."
    yep...he's playing 4D chess and we don't even know how to set up a checker board
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited November 2020

    just a couple of examples.  I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means.  It means giving the federal government more power.

    Countries having a bigger government with more "power" and taxmoney to work with - WORKS BETTER THAN YOURS. FACTUALLY BETTER WORKING.

    IT

    IS

    A

    FACT


    Maybe it's time to stick your head out of the sand and...

    https://youtu.be/o3UHMV3jrZk


    "But-but-but what about my marketplace profit-driven healthcare plaaaan"




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  • brianlux
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    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.
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  • CM189191
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    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.

  • brianlux
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    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.


    :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,221
    edited November 2020
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.

    And it voted. For Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden.
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  • Regarding this thread, and engaging the "other side" as well, they need to get their house in order by starting with respecting and abiding by the constitution before the radical leftists want to debate policy or the merits thereof. Clean your own damn house, then we'll talk, okay? And for the love of the sweet baby jesus, don't forget your facts.

    President-elect Joe Biden’s victory offered the cheerful prospect that we might begin to detoxify our politics. Maybe we could forget Donald Trump for a while and argue with at least a touch of civility about the actual problems our country faces.

    Heck, some of us dared to imagine that we might treat each other with respect. After all, Biden said over and over that he wanted to be the president of all Americans and honored the dignity of voters who had supported Trump in the past by expressing an understanding of their discontents.

    Moreover, bypassing more polarizing alternatives, Biden’s own party chose the candidate most likely to be acceptable to the other side, itself a form of outreach.

    And the GOP’s response to the outreach? With just a handful of exceptions, abject refusal to stand up against the anti-democratic lunacy of Trump’s efforts to nullify the results of a fair election.

    It is also a warning: Anyone advising Biden and members of his party to turn the other cheek and reach out to Republican congressional leaders as though none of this has happened is urging them down the path of political suicide.

    Ronald Reagan’s expression of hopeful skepticism, “trust but verify,” is far too optimistic for what Biden faces. Republicans aren’t simply denying him a honeymoon; they’re either acquiescing to or advancing Trump’s bid to cast Biden’s presidency as illegitimate from the start.

    Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) rightly received praise last week when he condemned Trump for putting “overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election,” adding: “It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American president.”

    But Romney’s statement is more a reason for distress than hope. It should not take political courage — whether from him, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie or GOP state officials in Michigan and Georgia — to recognize the simple fact that Biden won. Nor do you have to be liberal to recognize that a legal strategy based on throwing out ballots cast in heavily Black Detroit or Philadelphia is racist.

    And you only need to honor the legacy of Abraham Lincoln and Dwight D. Eisenhower to be horrified that the Republican National Committee made itself the venue last week for an incendiary, untrue and insane statement by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell. Her screed was worthy of some marginal, anti-democratic, far-right nationalist party in some other country.

    “American patriots are fed up with the corruption from the local level, to the highest level of our government,” she said, making you wonder who is president. “We are going to take this country back. We are not going to be intimidated. We are not going to back down. We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it, and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom.”

    The ballots of the majority that did not “vote for freedom” by Powell’s bizarre definition — nearly 80 million so far — can be tossed into the dustbin.

    That’s the party Biden has to deal with. And he can take no comfort if Republicans who stayed mum during Trump’s attempted election theft turn around later and pretend that they had nothing to do with this. Their silence is complicity.

    This presents a challenge to those of us on the progressive side who in the past respected conservatism as a coherent and morally serious worldview. We saw it as a set of ideas, advanced by thinkers such as Edmund Burke and Robert Nisbet, dedicated to preserving what is good in our institutions and traditions. Even when we emphatically disagreed, we could understand why they might be skeptical of the unintended costs of some of the reforms we might put forward.

    But now we confront a form of conservatism that openly disdains democracy, its rules and its obligations. In his book “Democracy and Tradition,” the philosopher and religion scholar Jeffrey Stout argues that “one thing a democratic people had better have in common is a form of ethical discourse, a way of exchanging reasons about ethical and political topics.”

    Stout is a realist who knows that democratic citizens can spend a lot of time “slapping one another in the face.” But when politics is reduced to all slapping and no reasoning, and when the words “take this country back” mean keeping the loser of a free election in power by manipulating the truth and the law, we have traveled a long way from the democratic tradition.

    Those who lack the conviction to sustain that tradition by defending rationality and the democratic rules of engagement forfeit their standing to ask the rest of us to believe that they are operating in good faith.

    Opinion | Biden reaches out. The GOP slaps him in the face. - The Washington Post

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  • He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited November 2020
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

    time and time again countries with so-called "leftist ideals" appear at or near the top of the heap of this list every single year. 

    what you call "leftist over reach" I tend to think of as extending a helping hand. 
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  • CM189191
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    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
  • CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    I go back and forth on this, but today I'm here:

    I'll see your "fuck your feelings" and raise you a "you lost". 

    (not you personally, obviously). 
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  • CM189191
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    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    There was back and forth.  That ended November 3rd.  Biden is President-Elect.  Democrats retained the House.  And D's have a shot at winning the Senate.  The people have spoken.  Democrat get to set the agenda.  No more back and forth, only moving forward.
  • mickeyrat
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    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    There was back and forth.  That ended November 3rd.  Biden is President-Elect.  Democrats retained the House.  And D's have a shot at winning the Senate.  The people have spoken.  Democrat get to set the agenda.  No more back and forth, only moving forward.

    it wasn't the "leftists" who won. It was a center-left politician.

    lost seats in the house.
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  • oftenreading
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    mickeyrat said:
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    There was back and forth.  That ended November 3rd.  Biden is President-Elect.  Democrats retained the House.  And D's have a shot at winning the Senate.  The people have spoken.  Democrat get to set the agenda.  No more back and forth, only moving forward.

    it wasn't the "leftists" who won. It was a center-left politician.

    lost seats in the house.
    Don’t give credence to the bogeyman definition of leftist. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    I'm happy to debate real points, including the difference between a 9, 44, 45, 357 and a 223.  Because they are different and should be treated differently.  However, this post started with a scattershot of harebrained stream of consciousness.  He jumps from minimum wage to progressive tax theory and everything in between.  I know he claims he is successful, but most successful people can write an organized paragraph.  Again, happy to have real debates about real issues.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,189
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    I'm happy to debate real points, including the difference between a 9, 44, 45, 357 and a 223.  Because they are different and should be treated differently.  However, this post started with a scattershot of harebrained stream of consciousness.  He jumps from minimum wage to progressive tax theory and everything in between.  I know he claims he is successful, but most successful people can write an organized paragraph.  Again, happy to have real debates about real issues.  
    Just admit it man...this thread was closed because YOU couldn't handle it.
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    I'm happy to debate real points, including the difference between a 9, 44, 45, 357 and a 223.  Because they are different and should be treated differently.  However, this post started with a scattershot of harebrained stream of consciousness.  He jumps from minimum wage to progressive tax theory and everything in between.  I know he claims he is successful, but most successful people can write an organized paragraph.  Again, happy to have real debates about real issues.  
    Just admit it man...this thread was closed because YOU couldn't handle it.
    Was it closed,  cleaned and reopened?
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
    Your statement is exactly why I hate politics right now.  Zero back and forth and just screaming or ramming down the ideologue down the others throat.

    I do spend a lot of time explaining why universal healthcare is good for everyone though.
    I'm happy to debate real points, including the difference between a 9, 44, 45, 357 and a 223.  Because they are different and should be treated differently.  However, this post started with a scattershot of harebrained stream of consciousness.  He jumps from minimum wage to progressive tax theory and everything in between.  I know he claims he is successful, but most successful people can write an organized paragraph.  Again, happy to have real debates about real issues.  
    Just admit it man...this thread was closed because YOU couldn't handle it.
    Was it closed,  cleaned and reopened?
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  • People might be surprised to learn that the OP argument is the same BS I hear right here in Alberta all.the.time. There are Trump fans here and it’s downright sickening. 
    Conservatism generally sticks specifically to economics although there are a few anti-abortion billboards in the southern-Alberta Bible Belt. Lots of Mormons down there.