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Over reaching leftist ideas, the gist is giving government more control over our everyday lives.

examples.  Green new deal.  Let’s regulate everything because the government knows best.  

2nd amendment, regardless of the fact that a semi automatic rifle is the same as a glock handgun, let’s ban them because they look scary

instead of my great healthcare I have, let me trade it in for what the government says is better.

just because I happened to be successful, let me pay more and more federal taxes to compensate those who aren’t.  And while we are at it, let’s demonize successful people for not pulling their share, that is except artist, musicians, athletes, musicians because they entertain us.  But those other successful people, they need to pay more!!

a federal minimum wage.  Yea because 15 in New York is the same as 15 in Alabama.  Any plan on how to offset those that already make and earn over 15?

just a couple of examples.  I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means.  It means giving the federal government more power.  Just remember, the people that work in government are the same that work in corporations, they both work to ensure they stay in power and get rich.  You can support them now because you think they are on your side and you will benefit.  Let’s see what happens when that doesn’t work out, because if you know anything about history, it doesn’t.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    BOO! Leftists. The new ANTIIIIIIIIIIIFA! Or was it BLM? What is up with the right wingnuts and always having a boogeyman? Oh yea, right, fear is all you have. Still waiting for that repub health plan, speaking of which.

    Oh please, list more, let’s see you.
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  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BOO! Leftists. The new ANTIIIIIIIIIIIFA! Or was it BLM? What is up with the right wingnuts and always having a boogeyman? Oh yea, right, fear is all you have. Still waiting for that repub health plan, speaking of which.

    Oh please, list more, let’s see you.
    No Boogy man, just history to look back on.  I’m not being overly sarcastic or attacking anyone.  Unlike you, but that’s why I didn’t engage in the last post and this will be my last engagement here.  Instead of this being a place to to express different ideas, explore the whys and the concerns, it’s a place that is an echochamber of none discussion but whatever sarcastic run of the mill put down they can muster and post.  Just speaking from a different point of view, take it or leave it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Testing, testing.  Am I posting on a closed thread?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Apparently not.  Well then!

    OK, well first of all, the definition of "leftist" is- to me anyway- very vague.  Are we talking about "left-leaning" people (as defined by Oxford Languages on Google) or commie pinko freaks (as defined by conservatives circa 1965-1972), or south paws.

    Let's get that straight and then we'll take it from there.
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  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    What about banning of abortion... a-ok?  War on drugs?  Banning gay marriage?  Pouring our money into the bottomless government military is fine while people starve?  The vast amounts of money grifted in trump's businesses so he can golf and lounge while a worldwide meeting is taking place?  Blasting protesters for a silly photo-op?  Militarized police?  

    Is the fda good?  Should Nabisco be allowed to cut costs and put mercury in my triscuits?  Should there be unchecked pollution and poisoning of our water and air?

    Travel/air safety that rivals Russia?  Car manufacturers that cut corners?

    Public education bad?

    And yes, for-profit healthcare needs to be reined in or it's going to engulf our society.  Most of the civilized world has figured this out.  


    I do not like certain things.  I disagree with student loan forgiveness, that should be adjusted.  Some of the AA stuff attacking businesses who they hire is crap.  I dislike our society's need to tear people down for a mishap, especially one that took place many years ago when times are different.  
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,727
    brianlux said:
    Apparently not.  Well then!

    OK, well first of all, the definition of "leftist" is- to me anyway- very vague.  Are we talking about "left-leaning" people (as defined by Oxford Languages on Google) or commie pinko freaks (as defined by conservatives circa 1965-1972), or south paws.

    Let's get that straight and then we'll take it from there.
    This was the creator of the thread asking why he would ever like Democrat views if we call trump supporters names and stuff
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    mattsl1983 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BOO! Leftists. The new ANTIIIIIIIIIIIFA! Or was it BLM? What is up with the right wingnuts and always having a boogeyman? Oh yea, right, fear is all you have. Still waiting for that repub health plan, speaking of which.

    Oh please, list more, let’s see you.
    No Boogy man, just history to look back on.  I’m not being overly sarcastic or attacking anyone.  Unlike you, but that’s why I didn’t engage in the last post and this will be my last engagement here.  Instead of this being a place to to express different ideas, explore the whys and the concerns, it’s a place that is an echochamber of none discussion but whatever sarcastic run of the mill put down they can muster and post.  Just speaking from a different point of view, take it or leave it.
    And yet you didn’t explain this history of yours that seems so prevalent and obvious, nor list more. “15 in New York is the same as 15 in Alabama,” wow what an intellectual exercise.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Raising taxes and expanding t federal government is only ok when it goes to the military and helps the rich.  Expanding deficits are fine, but you better not get it in your head to actually raise taxes on those who benefit from this system the most in order to pay the bills and help the poor.   Oh conservatism, what a mental mindfuck
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    Bye bye!


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    leftist ideas, good thing biden was nominated and elected then .....
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,762
    Why do people respond to obvious trolls trolling in homage to the troll-in-chief?

    He even said he would not respond

    He wants people to respond the way they do
    To get riled up
    Stop giving him the satisfaction 

    This is going to be blocked soon anyway

    Thanks God for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    mattsl1983 said:
    Over reaching leftist ideas, the gist is giving government more control over our everyday lives.

    examples.  Green new deal.  Let’s regulate everything because the government knows best.  

    2nd amendment, regardless of the fact that a semi automatic rifle is the same as a glock handgun, let’s ban them because they look scary

    instead of my great healthcare I have, let me trade it in for what the government says is better.

    just because I happened to be successful, let me pay more and more federal taxes to compensate those who aren’t.  And while we are at it, let’s demonize successful people for not pulling their share, that is except artist, musicians, athletes, musicians because they entertain us.  But those other successful people, they need to pay more!!

    a federal minimum wage.  Yea because 15 in New York is the same as 15 in Alabama.  Any plan on how to offset those that already make and earn over 15?

    just a couple of examples.  I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means.  It means giving the federal government more power.  Just remember, the people that work in government are the same that work in corporations, they both work to ensure they stay in power and get rich.  You can support them now because you think they are on your side and you will benefit.  Let’s see what happens when that doesn’t work out, because if you know anything about history, it doesn’t.


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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    Bentleyspop said:
    Why do people respond to obvious trolls trolling in homage to the troll-in-chief?

    He even said he would not respond

    He wants people to respond the way they do
    To get riled up
    Stop giving him the satisfaction 

    This is going to be blocked soon anyway

    Thanks God for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 

    This troll is very un-creative.
    Same threads started multiple times.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Bye bye!


    My favorite is when someone pulls a Big Bank Hank!
    :rofl:
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited November 2020
    mattsl1983 said:
    Over reaching leftist ideas, the gist is giving government more control over our everyday lives.

    Have people get to jerk off their gun collection without regulations, or have a better society for the citizens. PICK YOUR POISON

    Similarly, several reports have listed Scandinavian and other social-democratic countries as ranking high on indicators such as civil liberties,[493] democracy,[494] press,[495] labour and economic freedoms,[496] peace[497] and freedom from corruption.[498] Numerous studies and surveys indicate that people tend to live happier lives in countries ruled by social-democratic parties, compared to countries ruled by neoliberal, centrist and right-wing governments.[499]

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mattsl1983 said:
    Over reaching leftist ideas, the gist is giving government more control over our everyday lives.

    examples.  Green new deal.  Let’s regulate everything because the government knows best.  

    2nd amendment, regardless of the fact that a semi automatic rifle is the same as a glock handgun, let’s ban them because they look scary

    instead of my great healthcare I have, let me trade it in for what the government says is better.

    just because I happened to be successful, let me pay more and more federal taxes to compensate those who aren’t.  And while we are at it, let’s demonize successful people for not pulling their share, that is except artist, musicians, athletes, musicians because they entertain us.  But those other successful people, they need to pay more!!

    a federal minimum wage.  Yea because 15 in New York is the same as 15 in Alabama.  Any plan on how to offset those that already make and earn over 15?

    just a couple of examples.  I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means.  It means giving the federal government more power.  Just remember, the people that work in government are the same that work in corporations, they both work to ensure they stay in power and get rich.  You can support them now because you think they are on your side and you will benefit.  Let’s see what happens when that doesn’t work out, because if you know anything about history, it doesn’t.

    This is not an apology.  Do better.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,519
    Oh Matty Matt matty why so angry if you have to leave just leave why the announcement? Just leave us the ball so we can continue to play lol 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    josevolution said:
    Oh Matty Matt matty why so angry if you have to leave just leave why the announcement? Just leave us the ball so we can continue to play lol 
    Evidence of cancel culture.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,519
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    josevolution said:
    Oh Matty Matt matty why so angry if you have to leave just leave why the announcement? Just leave us the ball so we can continue to play lol 
    Evidence of cancel culture.
    Funny that the posters that support the lame duck idiot just can’t come to grips with Sleepy joe trounced him! Like questioning the intelligence of Biden voters and dismissing the fact they voted for a total blithering idiot twice! 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,137
    This is a great Trumper thread.  "I'm a victim."
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    OnWis97 said:
    This is a great Trumper thread.  "I'm a victim."
    yep...he's playing 4D chess and we don't even know how to set up a checker board
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited November 2020
    mattsl1983 said:

    just a couple of examples.  I can list more if you still are not sure of what leftists over reach means.  It means giving the federal government more power.

    Countries having a bigger government with more "power" and taxmoney to work with - WORKS BETTER THAN YOURS. FACTUALLY BETTER WORKING.

    IT

    IS

    A

    FACT

    Maybe it's time to stick your head out of the sand and...

    https://youtu.be/o3UHMV3jrZk


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.


    :lol:
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    edited November 2020
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    Another hit and run thread, destined for the dust bins.

    And it voted. For Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    Regarding this thread, and engaging the "other side" as well, they need to get their house in order by starting with respecting and abiding by the constitution before the radical leftists want to debate policy or the merits thereof. Clean your own damn house, then we'll talk, okay? And for the love of the sweet baby jesus, don't forget your facts.

    President-elect Joe Biden’s victory offered the cheerful prospect that we might begin to detoxify our politics. Maybe we could forget Donald Trump for a while and argue with at least a touch of civility about the actual problems our country faces.

    Heck, some of us dared to imagine that we might treat each other with respect. After all, Biden said over and over that he wanted to be the president of all Americans and honored the dignity of voters who had supported Trump in the past by expressing an understanding of their discontents.

    Moreover, bypassing more polarizing alternatives, Biden’s own party chose the candidate most likely to be acceptable to the other side, itself a form of outreach.

    And the GOP’s response to the outreach? With just a handful of exceptions, abject refusal to stand up against the anti-democratic lunacy of Trump’s efforts to nullify the results of a fair election.

    It is also a warning: Anyone advising Biden and members of his party to turn the other cheek and reach out to Republican congressional leaders as though none of this has happened is urging them down the path of political suicide.

    Ronald Reagan’s expression of hopeful skepticism, “trust but verify,” is far too optimistic for what Biden faces. Republicans aren’t simply denying him a honeymoon; they’re either acquiescing to or advancing Trump’s bid to cast Biden’s presidency as illegitimate from the start.

    Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) rightly received praise last week when he condemned Trump for putting “overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election,” adding: “It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American president.”

    But Romney’s statement is more a reason for distress than hope. It should not take political courage — whether from him, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie or GOP state officials in Michigan and Georgia — to recognize the simple fact that Biden won. Nor do you have to be liberal to recognize that a legal strategy based on throwing out ballots cast in heavily Black Detroit or Philadelphia is racist.

    And you only need to honor the legacy of Abraham Lincoln and Dwight D. Eisenhower to be horrified that the Republican National Committee made itself the venue last week for an incendiary, untrue and insane statement by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell. Her screed was worthy of some marginal, anti-democratic, far-right nationalist party in some other country.

    “American patriots are fed up with the corruption from the local level, to the highest level of our government,” she said, making you wonder who is president. “We are going to take this country back. We are not going to be intimidated. We are not going to back down. We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it, and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom.”

    The ballots of the majority that did not “vote for freedom” by Powell’s bizarre definition — nearly 80 million so far — can be tossed into the dustbin.

    That’s the party Biden has to deal with. And he can take no comfort if Republicans who stayed mum during Trump’s attempted election theft turn around later and pretend that they had nothing to do with this. Their silence is complicity.

    This presents a challenge to those of us on the progressive side who in the past respected conservatism as a coherent and morally serious worldview. We saw it as a set of ideas, advanced by thinkers such as Edmund Burke and Robert Nisbet, dedicated to preserving what is good in our institutions and traditions. Even when we emphatically disagreed, we could understand why they might be skeptical of the unintended costs of some of the reforms we might put forward.

    But now we confront a form of conservatism that openly disdains democracy, its rules and its obligations. In his book “Democracy and Tradition,” the philosopher and religion scholar Jeffrey Stout argues that “one thing a democratic people had better have in common is a form of ethical discourse, a way of exchanging reasons about ethical and political topics.”

    Stout is a realist who knows that democratic citizens can spend a lot of time “slapping one another in the face.” But when politics is reduced to all slapping and no reasoning, and when the words “take this country back” mean keeping the loser of a free election in power by manipulating the truth and the law, we have traveled a long way from the democratic tradition.

    Those who lack the conviction to sustain that tradition by defending rationality and the democratic rules of engagement forfeit their standing to ask the rest of us to believe that they are operating in good faith.

    Opinion | Biden reaches out. The GOP slaps him in the face. - The Washington Post

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,965
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    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

    time and time again countries with so-called "leftist ideals" appear at or near the top of the heap of this list every single year. 

    what you call "leftist over reach" I tend to think of as extending a helping hand. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tempo_n_groove said:
    He gives his point of view at least this time with gives examples.

    To tell you the truth I'd be exhausted trying to answer everyone too.

    I'm a big 2A person and a 9mm that comes out of a glock is not the same as a 223 coming out of an AR.  It is true that they do want to ban all the cool stuff.
    Counterpoint: who cares?

    I won't waste my time trying to convince trumpanzees why universal healthcare is good thing.

    Leftists won this election.  It's time we acted like it, and implemented our ideas.
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