So what now for the Democrats?

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    tbergs said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.
    It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    Lerxst1992 said:
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

    The court is already toast, so senate is less important if trump wins, so winning the house does give Dems leverage if Biden goes south. The senate almost doesn’t matter as the court is set. If Dems lose they need to consider reconciliation with trump and try to work together. Trump is a cult hero in rural America . Putting him down constantly only feeds the evil democrat mentality in that part of the country.
    tons of never trumpers flipped from 2016 because of the constant shit slinging, its not really only rural america.  watch the suburbs.  social media flipped wads of people as the scene was censored heavily left for years.
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  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    Another thing: Dems need to start running better, much better, candidates for local and state offices outside of large metro areas, and in rural areas. No purity tests and no poo-hooing the center.
  • Lerxst1992
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    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.
    It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism

    I get the anger. I am angry with rural America. I am not the fault for their problems. But we need to find a way to work together.

    Trump is their Eddie, Mike, Jeff and Stone combined. Dems trash their rock star and then expect to take votes in rural America? 

    Dems still have the House, they should be a little bit nice to trump if he wins and it won’t be as awful as it seems.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.
    It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism

    I get the anger. I am angry with rural America. I am not the fault for their problems. But we need to find a way to work together.

    Trump is their Eddie, Mike, Jeff and Stone combined. Dems trash their rock star and then expect to take votes in rural America? 

    Dems still have the House, they should be a little bit nice to trump if he wins and it won’t be as awful as it seems.

    How are we supposed to "work together" when one half literally considers the other half the enemy? This isn't about Dems trashing their god; it's about the entire party declaring war on domestic enemies. I am the enemy in the eyes of our president, the most powerful party, rank-and-file GOP voters, and probably most police officers I come in contact with.*  Donald Trump is the Great Divider.  How are we going to work together when he's telling people that are entirely devoted to him that we're the bad guys?

    *Though as a white dude, I probably should not whine about that; I'm far less likely to be killed for that.
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  • jimjam1982
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    All they have to do is denounce Bernie, "the squad" and realize; America, is where socialist and communist dreams come to die. Hard work prevails and free handouts end. Lean just left of center and they will revive the party.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    I can't blame the democrats when half the country looks at Trump's first four years and doubles down on him. The Dems didn't cause that. I'm not sure what did, but it wasn't the 2020 democratic campaign. 
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  • bootleg
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    It’s hard to come together when one side doesn’t even have a platform other than fuck the libs.  If they actually put together polices we can have debates on and work towards a compromise.  But their policy is undo everything Obama did.  They oppose lgbtq rights, they can’t denounce racism.  Not sure how to meet in the middle with that.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Work with the Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden Administration to control covid and pass meaningful legislation on the environment, immigration reform, helping the middle class with college costs, daycare and healthcare, etc. as well as rebuilding our relationships with our NATO and EU allies.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Oh, and stacking the Supreme Court.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Time to go. Infuse it into the party. Run on that platform.


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  • JimmyV
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    So what now for the polling industry?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    this is like talking about dividing assets of a person who isn't even dead yet. 
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    I thought this was kinda funny and sadly true

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    biden got the most votes of any presidential candidate in history. and we're considering this a failure?
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  • static111
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    biden got the most votes of any presidential candidate in history. and we're considering this a failure?
    And it’s a nail biter. Voting turnout was up because of trump not Biden or his policies.  Remove trump from the equation and turnout goes way down.  I’ve been told this election was a referendum on trump for two years.  Now here we are with less house seats and 3 million+ more Americans having voted trump than last time.  You can’t call this a referendum on trump and squeak out a victory and play like it was a great success.  It appears to be a very narrow win that will be heavily contested by millions of brain dead morons. Not what I would call a victory.  Record turnout existed to fire trump not because there was waves of enthusiasm for democrats one way or the other 2020 is and always has been the election to repudiate trump, and it is a very narrow victory
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    edited November 2020
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    biden got the most votes of any presidential candidate in history. and we're considering this a failure?
    And it’s a nail biter. Voting turnout was up because of trump not Biden or his policies.  Remove trump from the equation and turnout goes way down.  I’ve been told this election was a referendum on trump for two years.  Now here we are with less house seats and 3 million+ more Americans having voted trump than last time.  You can’t call this a referendum on trump and squeak out a victory and play like it was a great success.  It appears to be a very narrow win that will be heavily contested by millions of brain dead morons. Not what I would call a victory.  Record turnout existed to fire trump not because there was waves of enthusiasm for democrats one way or the other 2020 is and always has been the election to repudiate trump, and it is a very narrow victory
    get the "establishment" to back a candidate that isn't a walking corpse. 

    step 1. 
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    static111 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    biden got the most votes of any presidential candidate in history. and we're considering this a failure?
    And it’s a nail biter. Voting turnout was up because of trump not Biden or his policies.  Remove trump from the equation and turnout goes way down.  I’ve been told this election was a referendum on trump for two years.  Now here we are with less house seats and 3 million+ more Americans having voted trump than last time.  You can’t call this a referendum on trump and squeak out a victory and play like it was a great success.  It appears to be a very narrow win that will be heavily contested by millions of brain dead morons. Not what I would call a victory.  Record turnout existed to fire trump not because there was waves of enthusiasm for democrats one way or the other 2020 is and always has been the election to repudiate trump, and it is a very narrow victory
    get the "establishment" to back a candidate that isn't a walking corpse. 

    step 1. 
    Good luck with that.  This country is a mess
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  • static111
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    On reflection it’s not really the fault of Democrats.  It’s just white Americans.  We are pathetic as a whole.  A majority of white people voting for regressive policies is what keeps holding the country back. We white peoples need to do better.  I sure as fuck don’t know how, because trying to talk to the people that support these regressive policies and racism is like having a conversation with a fucking cat. White people need more empathy.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    static111 said:
    On reflection it’s not really the fault of Democrats.  It’s just white Americans.  We are pathetic as a whole.  A majority of white people voting for regressive policies is what keeps holding the country back. We white peoples need to do better.  I sure as fuck don’t know how, because trying to talk to the people that support these regressive policies and racism is like having a conversation with a fucking cat. White people need more empathy.  
    WEAK!!! /s
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