So what now for the Democrats?

OnWis97

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

brianlux

If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.

Ledbetterman10

Well it’s not over yet. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. But here’s a thought: spend the next four years building new candidates so you’re not stuck running a relic from the past. Let’s face it, Biden is someone that the party (including Obama himself) didn’t feel should run in 2016 because Hillary was better. If he wasn’t good then ,how is he good now? Because Trump is horrible? That’s obviously not enough. 

OnWis97

brianlux said:

If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.

I meant for the party.  But for some of us personally, it's a good question, too. Yeah, I'm 46, have had quite a few good experiences. Maybe it's time to just enjoy what I can (hopefully PJ concerts some day) but I'm exhausted. I'm not going to be driving people in the middle of the night for abortions or spending my time picketing. I'll do some donating (provided I stay employed).

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

brianlux said:

If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.

I meant for the party.  But for some of us personally, it's a good question, too. Yeah, I'm 46, have had quite a few good experiences. Maybe it's time to just enjoy what I can (hopefully PJ concerts some day) but I'm exhausted. I'm not going to be driving people in the middle of the night for abortions or spending my time picketing. I'll do some donating (provided I stay employed).

69 and done.  To much stress for a worn out body.

RoleModelsinBlood31

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

brianlux

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

RoleModelsinBlood31

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

brianlux

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

You said "People are pro USA, not anti-USA".  Maybe you should clarify.  All people?  Some people? Certain people?  What people?

OnWis97

So ultimately, the second party, if there is one, has to move way right. Next time the question isn't whether we should have the ACA, it's whether we should have public schools.  Should we have child labor laws (you really can't if you don't have public schools).  Maybe the Dems (or whatever comes as the #2 party) will argue not to imprison people like Kaepernick, as the GOP gets more and more full of itself and starts rounding up anyone a bit different.

Maybe the Dems try to fight for things like gay rights

brianlux

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 

Summbitch.

RoleModelsinBlood31

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 

Summbitch.

yep!  

static111

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

jerparker20

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

tbergs

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

Lerxst1992

Kiss trumps ring and become another party of tax cuts.

JimmyV

Too early for this. This discussion may need to happen but not tonight. At least not until somebody hits 270. 

OnWis97

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

brianlux said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.

Oh yeah?

absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 

Summbitch.

Most people have always viewed the environment as kind of an abstract thing; there's been warnings since, I don't know, the 1960s and nothing seems to actually happening. Now, you can kind of see it happening but it doesn't matter because the disinformation is too persuasive.

If the issue is that we've moved the definition of "socialism" further right, the problem is that capitalism's "invisible hand" doesn't really account for the environment; it kind of assumes infinite resources and certainly makes no demands on people looking out for their fellow humans (even, say, wearing masks).

static111

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

tbergs

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

(I agree)The court is already toast, so senate is less important if trump wins, so winning the house does give Dems leverage if Biden goes south. The senate almost doesn’t matter as the court is set. If Dems lose they need to consider reconciliation with trump and try to work together. Trump is a cult hero in rural America . Putting him down constantly only feeds the evil democrat mentality in that part of the country.

static111

tbergs said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism

RoleModelsinBlood31

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

The court is already toast, so senate is less important if trump wins, so winning the house does give Dems leverage if Biden goes south. The senate almost doesn’t matter as the court is set. If Dems lose they need to consider reconciliation with trump and try to work together. Trump is a cult hero in rural America . Putting him down constantly only feeds the evil democrat mentality in that part of the country.

tons of never trumpers flipped from 2016 because of the constant shit slinging, its not really only rural america.  watch the suburbs.  social media flipped wads of people as the scene was censored heavily left for years.

jerparker20

Another thing: Dems need to start running better, much better, candidates for local and state offices outside of large metro areas, and in rural areas. No purity tests and no poo-hooing the center.

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

tbergs said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism

I get the anger. I am angry with rural America. I am not the fault for their problems. But we need to find a way to work together.

Trump is their Eddie, Mike, Jeff and Stone combined. Dems trash their rock star and then expect to take votes in rural America? 

Dems still have the House, they should be a little bit nice to trump if he wins and it won’t be as awful as it seems.

OnWis97

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

static111 said:

tbergs said:

jerparker20 said:

static111 said:

OnWis97 said:

After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"

Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it

Hard left is a dead end.

Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.

If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party

Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

It is not looking like the Dems gained any voters from where I'm sitting.  A Trump victory almost certainly assures a 1 partty system and authoritarianism

I get the anger. I am angry with rural America. I am not the fault for their problems. But we need to find a way to work together.

Trump is their Eddie, Mike, Jeff and Stone combined. Dems trash their rock star and then expect to take votes in rural America? 

Dems still have the House, they should be a little bit nice to trump if he wins and it won’t be as awful as it seems.

How are we supposed to "work together" when one half literally considers the other half the enemy? This isn't about Dems trashing their god; it's about the entire party declaring war on domestic enemies. I am the enemy in the eyes of our president, the most powerful party, rank-and-file GOP voters, and probably most police officers I come in contact with.*  Donald Trump is the Great Divider.  How are we going to work together when he's telling people that are entirely devoted to him that we're the bad guys?

*Though as a white dude, I probably should not whine about that; I'm far less likely to be killed for that.

jimjam1982

All they have to do is denounce Bernie, "the squad" and realize; America, is where socialist and communist dreams come to die. Hard work prevails and free handouts end. Lean just left of center and they will revive the party.

JimmyV

I can't blame the democrats when half the country looks at Trump's first four years and doubles down on him. The Dems didn't cause that. I'm not sure what did, but it wasn't the 2020 democratic campaign. 

bootleg

It’s hard to come together when one side doesn’t even have a platform other than fuck the libs.  If they actually put together polices we can have debates on and work towards a compromise.  But their policy is undo everything Obama did.  They oppose lgbtq rights, they can’t denounce racism.  Not sure how to meet in the middle with that.

Halifax2TheMax

Work with the Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden Administration to control covid and pass meaningful legislation on the environment, immigration reform, helping the middle class with college costs, daycare and healthcare, etc. as well as rebuilding our relationships with our NATO and EU allies.

Halifax2TheMax

Oh, and stacking the Supreme Court.