So what now for the Democrats?

OnWis97
OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
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After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Well it’s not over yet. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. But here’s a thought: spend the next four years building new candidates so you’re not stuck running a relic from the past. Let’s face it, Biden is someone that the party (including Obama himself) didn’t feel should run in 2016 because Hillary was better. If he wasn’t good then ,how is he good now? Because Trump is horrible? That’s obviously not enough. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    brianlux said:
    If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.


    I meant for the party.  But for some of us personally, it's a good question, too. Yeah, I'm 46, have had quite a few good experiences. Maybe it's time to just enjoy what I can (hopefully PJ concerts some day) but I'm exhausted. I'm not going to be driving people in the middle of the night for abortions or spending my time picketing. I'll do some donating (provided I stay employed).
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    If Biden loses?  I don't know.  Maybe drop out of society.  Why not?  I've been fighting for the environment and justice and peace for too long.   For what?  What a life.


    I meant for the party.  But for some of us personally, it's a good question, too. Yeah, I'm 46, have had quite a few good experiences. Maybe it's time to just enjoy what I can (hopefully PJ concerts some day) but I'm exhausted. I'm not going to be driving people in the middle of the night for abortions or spending my time picketing. I'll do some donating (provided I stay employed).

    69 and done.  To much stress for a worn out body.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

    You said "People are pro USA, not anti-USA".  Maybe you should clarify.  All people?  Some people? Certain people?  What people?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    So ultimately, the second party, if there is one, has to move way right. Next time the question isn't whether we should have the ACA, it's whether we should have public schools.  Should we have child labor laws (you really can't if you don't have public schools).  Maybe the Dems (or whatever comes as the #2 party) will argue not to imprison people like Kaepernick, as the GOP gets more and more full of itself and starts rounding up anyone a bit different.

    Maybe the Dems try to fight for things like gay rights
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

    So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 
    Summbitch.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

    So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 
    Summbitch.

    yep!  
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,890
    Kiss trumps ring and become another party of tax cuts.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited November 2020
    Too early for this. This discussion may need to happen but not tonight. At least not until somebody hits 270. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    brianlux said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    the issue for democrats is that the GOP has now become an interracial party.  The voting blocks of the past are changing, and one side is becoming a vacuum due to lots of talk and no action.  Heads turned the last few years and it'll be interesting as always to see how it changes going forward.  People are pro USA, not anti-USA.
    Oh yeah?

    absolutely.  are you not watching this evening?  the race was USA vs. not.  People want success & safety VS danger and worry.  TONS of folks from socialist countries live here, they know what happened where they came from.

    So "people" don't think we are in danger despite the last four years extremely exacerbating global warming, living and dying through a mass-species extinction event, struggling with a pandemic that was made worse by the ineffective actions of the currant administration, watching toxic chemicals bubbling up along the Southern California coast, etc., etc., etc,   Really?  You're kidding, right?  They are that stupid? 
    Summbitch.


    Most people have always viewed the environment as kind of an abstract thing; there's been warnings since, I don't know, the 1960s and nothing seems to actually happening. Now, you can kind of see it happening but it doesn't matter because the disinformation is too persuasive.

    If the issue is that we've moved the definition of "socialism" further right, the problem is that capitalism's "invisible hand" doesn't really account for the environment; it kind of assumes infinite resources and certainly makes no demands on people looking out for their fellow humans (even, say, wearing masks).
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,088
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    edited November 2020
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,890
    edited November 2020
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    tbergs said:
    jerparker20 said:
    static111 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    After tonight, this isn't really a two-party system, anymore. It's more like a 1.5-party system.  What are the Democrats to do? I really have no answer. Now, it's clear that Trumpism isn't just about white people.

    But really, Trumpism has a wide reach; maybe to the majority. And I don't want the dems replicating it at all.  Are the Dems going to need to go harder on immigration?  Push for a national religion?  Push for death sentences for anyone that has an abortion?  

    Really, the only thing I can think of is go hard left and hope for the best.  Get the Bernie supporters. But that doesn't seem big enough.

    I think the Democratic Party is done, at least on a national level. Donald Trump has had the four years he has had.  And America came out and said "thank you sire, may I have another?"
    Thy had the chance to go hard left and crapped all over it
    Hard left is a dead end.
    Yeah, that would have resulted in a landslide loss and complete obliteration of the party.
    If trump wins it is a total obliteration of the party
    Not true. The ramification down the ticket in Senate, house and local gov would have been catastrophic. Dems don't gain voters by going hard left. It's just not the same animal as those hardcore right wingers.

    (I agree)The court is already toast, so senate is less important if trump wins, so winning the house does give Dems leverage if Biden goes south. The senate almost doesn’t matter as the court is set. If Dems lose they need to consider reconciliation with trump and try to work together. Trump is a cult hero in rural America . Putting him down constantly only feeds the evil democrat mentality in that part of the country.
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