Donald Trump

mace1229 · October 2020

The Juggler said:

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

Was 2016 a landslide? It kinda felt that way because it was obvious by about 8:00 Central that Trump was going to win. But it wasn't exactly Reagan/Mondale. This electiion is shaping up about the same.

Every election seems to be considered a landslide by someone. I'm sure lots on the right called it a landslide because he got I think 306 EC votes. And the left wouldn't call it a landslide because he lost the popular vote.

There was nothing close to a landslide in 2016. It was actually one of the closest electoral college margins in the history of the country.

"Every election seems to be considered a landslide by someone?" Since when? I don't think this has ever been a thing until Trump, wrongly, started saying he won by a landslide in '16.

There has not been a landslide since 1984...maybe Bush in '88, I guess...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_Electoral_College_margin

So you haven’t heard Trump or someone in his campaign say they won by a huge margin? Yes, 306 EC votes is only 2 or 3 swing states, but someone will still make that claim. I never said it was true. And true for most elections, the president himself, the campaign or his supporters will highlight how much they won by as a positive. All I said is someone makes that claim every election, never said it was true.

Poncier · October 2020

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Maybe my memory is off but didn't they used to separate president and vice president on the ballot? It was stupid to do that, but wasn't it like that? Or am I imagining this? Or maybe it's different in each state?

Edit: I guess I just made that up in my head. All google image search of ballots from recent years show the president and vice-president coupled as one. Not sure why I thought they used to be separate.

IF you want to be historical, the VP was the second leading EC gainer. I think Aaron Burr was the last VP to come in second (to TJ). After that, it became a ticket. Or at least around that time.

Strangely I was just reading about the election of 1800 yesterday. Jefferson and Burr ended up in a tie with 73 EC votes each as there was no distinction between voting for Prez or Veep, so The House had to determine which would be President and which would spend 4 years in irrelevancy.
https://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/1800-election/1800-election.html

Gern Blansten · October 2020

Welcome to my facebook feed...turns out that everything was fine...he called support and they had him check all connections and reboot his box

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5021252/uploads/editor/vw/5zdwkqzpbred.jpg

HughFreakingDillon · October 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Welcome to my facebook feed...turns out that everything was fine...he called support and they had him check all connections and reboot his box

LOL

Poncier · October 2020

We'll bus you in to the rally, then leave you in the cold for hours after...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

HughFreakingDillon · October 2020

and you just know that person still won't believe it was a random technical glitch. they think that their cable company deliberately deleted fox from their package in "hopes i wouldn't notice". if they are that quick to believe in some anti-fox conspiracy, jesus.

MayDay10 · October 2020

josevolution · October 2020

Poncier said:

We'll bus you in to the rally, then leave you in the cold for hours after...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

He was just around the corner! Ah too bad for all those freezing deplorables I’m sure they are used to those cold temperatures and just waiting with all those people huddled together they should of been nice and warm, that’s what penguins do they huddle to keep nice& warm..

tbergs · October 2020

MayDay10 said:

Oh no! I can't see this image. It must have been censored. Great, now I can't trust 10C, or maybe it's my ISP? Bastards! I took a screenshot of this just in case no one believes this happened.

Gern Blansten · October 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

and you just know that person still won't believe it was a random technical glitch. they think that their cable company deliberately deleted fox from their package in "hopes i wouldn't notice". if they are that quick to believe in some anti-fox conspiracy, jesus.

yeah some of the comments were "NBC owns comcast/xfinity", etc. There were also a few telling him that he was insane.

Gern Blansten · October 2020

josevolution said:

Poncier said:

We'll bus you in to the rally, then leave you in the cold for hours after...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

He was just around the corner! Ah too bad for all those freezing deplorables I’m sure they are used to those cold temperatures and just waiting with all those people huddled together they should of been nice and warm, that’s what penguins do they huddle to keep nice& warm..

I'm not sure if it is true but there is some talk on twitter that the bus company left because the campaign didn't pay them. They were supposed to be paid up front.

mickeyrat · October 2020

Gern Blansten said:

josevolution said:

Poncier said:

We'll bus you in to the rally, then leave you in the cold for hours after...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

He was just around the corner! Ah too bad for all those freezing deplorables I’m sure they are used to those cold temperatures and just waiting with all those people huddled together they should of been nice and warm, that’s what penguins do they huddle to keep nice& warm..

I'm not sure if it is true but there is some talk on twitter that the bus company left because the campaign didn't pay them. They were supposed to be paid up front.

that plays from campaign history ftom 16

mickeyrat · October 2020

will put this right here....

this one was posted 37 min ago...

https://apnews.com/article/international-news-pandemics-virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-health-ffce2150d96ea893e77373d0d6932f22

2 days ago....

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-virus-outbreak-health-infectious-diseases-c335597d6f14896b5e2abbe5e3be3779

tbergs · October 2020

mickeyrat said:

will put this right here....

this one was posted 37 min ago...
https://apnews.com/article/international-news-pandemics-virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-health-ffce2150d96ea893e77373d0d6932f22

2 days ago....
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-virus-outbreak-health-infectious-diseases-c335597d6f14896b5e2abbe5e3be3779

I read the first article and as soon as I saw the company name I was like, wait, didn't I see an article the other day where their drug failed? Then sure enough, I saw that was the 2nd link you listed.

Poncier · October 2020

Administration probably already paid in advance.

Halifax2TheMax · October 2020

Poncier said:

Administration probably already paid in advance.

Unlike the campaign.

Halifax2TheMax · October 2020

All to be sold to Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiina. What a great POTUS, that Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. This is just, well, sad. We're so fucked as a species.

President Trump will open up more than half of Alaska’s Tongass National Forest to logging and other forms of development, according to a notice posted Wednesday, stripping protections that had safeguarded one of the world’s largest intact temperate rainforests for nearly two decades.

As of Thursday, it will be legal for logging companies to build roads and cut and remove timber throughout more than 9.3 million acres of forest — featuring old-growth stands of red and yellow cedar, Sitka spruce and Western hemlock. The relatively-pristine expanse is also home to plentiful salmon runs and imposing fjords. The decision, which will be published in the Federal Register, reverses protections President Bill Clinton put in place in 2001 and is one of the most sweeping public lands rollbacks Trump has enacted.

The new rule states that it will make “an additional 188,000 forested acres available for timber harvest,” mainly “old growth timber.”

For years, federal and academic scientists have identified Tongass as an ecological oasis that serves as a massive carbon sink while providing key habitat for wild Pacific salmon and trout, Sitka black-tailed deer and myriad other species. It boasts the highest density of brown bears in North America, and its trees — some of which are between 300 and 1,000 years old — absorb at least 8 percent of all the carbon stored in the entire Lower 48′s forests combined.

“While tropical rainforests are the lungs of the planet, the Tongass is the lungs of North America,” Dominick DellaSala, chief scientist with the Earth Island Institute’s Wild Heritage project, said in an interview. “It’s America’s last climate sanctuary.”

Logging in Alaska costs U.S. taxpayers millions each year, because of a long-standing federal mandate that companies profit from any timber sale. This means the Forest Service often covers harvesters’ costs, including road building. According to a Taxpayer for Common Sense analysis of the Forest Service’s accounts, the Tongass timber program has lost roughly $1.7 billion over the last 40 years.

Article continues

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/28/trump-tongass-national-forest-alaska/

mace1229 · October 2020

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Maybe my memory is off but didn't they used to separate president and vice president on the ballot? It was stupid to do that, but wasn't it like that? Or am I imagining this? Or maybe it's different in each state?

Edit: I guess I just made that up in my head. All google image search of ballots from recent years show the president and vice-president coupled as one. Not sure why I thought they used to be separate.

IF you want to be historical, the VP was the second leading EC gainer. I think Aaron Burr was the last VP to come in second (to TJ). After that, it became a ticket. Or at least around that time.

Yeah I know about that old system where the runner-up was VP (imagine a Trump/Hillary administration lol). But for some reason I recall seeing like Obama vs. McCain as one thing to vote on, and Biden vs. Palin as another. But I guess I’m just making it up. Or maybe confusing it with other top-ticket things like governorships. But probably just making it up.

I don't think that's happened in my voting lifetime. I think not too long ago, but still before my time, the VP was also the runner up for the party nomination. So it would have been a Biden-Sanders ticket (or whoever came in second). I think I remember reading that was how it worked through the 60s or 70s, but I can't remember for sure. But definitely not separate votes in my lifetime.

OnWis97 · October 2020

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Maybe my memory is off but didn't they used to separate president and vice president on the ballot? It was stupid to do that, but wasn't it like that? Or am I imagining this? Or maybe it's different in each state?

Edit: I guess I just made that up in my head. All google image search of ballots from recent years show the president and vice-president coupled as one. Not sure why I thought they used to be separate.

IF you want to be historical, the VP was the second leading EC gainer. I think Aaron Burr was the last VP to come in second (to TJ). After that, it became a ticket. Or at least around that time.

Yeah I know about that old system where the runner-up was VP (imagine a Trump/Hillary administration lol). But for some reason I recall seeing like Obama vs. McCain as one thing to vote on, and Biden vs. Palin as another. But I guess I’m just making it up. Or maybe confusing it with other top-ticket things like governorships. But probably just making it up.

I don't think that's happened in my voting lifetime. I think not too long ago, but still before my time, the VP was also the runner up for the party nomination. So it would have been a Biden-Sanders ticket (or whoever came in second). I think I remember reading that was how it worked through the 60s or 70s, but I can't remember for sure. But definitely not separate votes in my lifetime.

That strikes me as a party process, not federal/election law. Maybe one (or both) major party did do that, though. Definitely before my time, if so. If, say, the Dems wanted to implement that for 2024, they certainly could do that. So could the Greens or Libertarians, or GOP. It would certainly make the nomination process more fun/interesting.

mcgruff10 · October 2020

Short Answer:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/when-did-vice-presidency-stop-going-to-second-place-ask-smithsonian-180957199/

When did the position of vice president of the United States stop going to the runner-up in the presidential election and become a separately elected office?

That was in 1804, when the 12th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified, says David Ward, senior historian at the National Portrait Gallery.

The amendment was proposed after the 1796 election resulted in a president (John Adams) and vice president (Thomas Jefferson) from opposing parties, and the 1800 election led to a tie between Jefferson and Aaron Burr. They were members of the same party (Democratic-Republican), but it took the House of Representatives 36 contentious ballots to break the tie, electing Jefferson president and Burr vice president. In 1804, Jefferson was re-elected and George Clinton became the first vice president under the 12th Amendment.

Long answer:

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-aaron-burr-changed-the-constitution

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