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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,748
    edited September 2020
    static111 said:
    Couldn’t the senate just prioritize the Nomination over yet another impeachment?  Another impeachment seems like bad optics.

    I believe the senate must prioritize impeachment. The “optics” would only work if republicans  try to ram thru a judge after the election and trump lost and the senate flips to the Dems . It would violate McConnell’s new excuse that the voters in 2018 reaffirmed same party control of senate  and executive branch by now voting trump out in 2020. With many republican senators in blue/purple states in risk of getting voted out now, it’s likely McConnell holds off the confirmation  vote until the lame duck session.

    I would think they should start by impeaching senators who lost their reelection and are trying to vote in a new judge. The optics would be the voters have spoken and we are impeaching you to respect the votes of your constituents. The goal is to simply tie up the senate for six weeks during the holidays so they can’t act, or have legal arguments in 2021 that McConnell took a dump on the constitution and the election  so Dems are exercising their constitutional right to add more justices to the high court. They could also continue quorum calls while multiple senators face impeachment. The goal is to slow it down and highlight mcconnell is disrespecting the results of the election.


    its a long shot extreme but that’s the point. The gop continually lies about the constitution to bend it in their favor while Dems want proper optics. That’s probably why this court will remain conservative for 50 years
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    so weird this "lame duck session" in the US. in canada when you lose the election, that's the exact point you are out of a job. imagine getting fired and you're still doing your job for another 3 months. just bizarre. 
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,405
    edited September 2020


    They would probably make the restrictions and cost so great the women most likely who use this freedom, poorer/young minorities, the procedure would be out of reach for them.

    A bigger concern is we can kiss goodbye Obamacare
    Both of the above statements scare the crap out of me. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,238
    i mean, isn't there an unwritten rule on SCOTUS they rule by precedent, not overturning precedent? don't even conservative judges rule by this, especially in a case like this, where it would be a massive reversal of precedent made 40 years ago?

    yes they are loathe to overturn previous ruling with Dred Scott being an exception.

    If RvW gets overturned then thst leaves open the possibility of that late 19th century ruling making corporations citizens and potentially getting citizens united overturned ..
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,388

    I believe the senate must prioritize impeachment. The “optics” would only work if republicans  try to ram thru a judge after the election and trump lost and the senate flips to the Dems . It would violate McConnell’s new excuse that the voters in 2018 reaffirmed same party control of senate  and executive branch by now voting trump out in 2020. With many republican senators in blue/purple states in risk of getting voted out now, it’s likely McConnell holds off the confirmation  vote until the lame duck session.

    I would think they should start by impeaching senators who lost their reelection and are trying to vote in a new judge. The optics would be the voters have spoken and we are impeaching you to respect the votes of your constituents. The goal is to simply tie up the senate for six weeks during the holidays so they can’t act, or have legal arguments in 2021 that McConnell took a dump on the constitution and the election  so Dems are exercising their constitutional right to add more justices to the high court. They could also continue quorum calls while multiple senators face impeachment. The goal is to slow it down and highlight mcconnell is disrespecting the results of the election.


    its a long shot extreme but that’s the point. The gop continually lies about the constitution to bend it in their favor while Dems want proper optics. That’s probably why this court will remain conservative for 50 years
    NPR had a good piece about all of this. Additionally, yesterday I caught parts of a rebroadcast about America's Hidden Duopoly and how we got to this stage in US politics. It was really interesting to listen to. They talked about choice ranked voting and single ballot primaries to help lessen the stranglehold both the dems and repubs have on forcing certain candidates on us.

    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/americas-duopoly-rebroadcast/
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/915043386/washington-politics-could-be-about-to-enter-a-post-apocalyptic-phase
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    tbergs said:
    NPR had a good piece about all of this. Additionally, yesterday I caught parts of a rebroadcast about America's Hidden Duopoly and how we got to this stage in US politics. It was really interesting to listen to. They talked about choice ranked voting and single ballot primaries to help lessen the stranglehold both the dems and repubs have on forcing certain candidates on us.

    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/americas-duopoly-rebroadcast/
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/915043386/washington-politics-could-be-about-to-enter-a-post-apocalyptic-phase
    i thought for a second there, in the middle of the pelosi interview, that she had a mild stroke, when it seemed like she was starting the interview all over again with "good morning, sunday morning". that was odd. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,092
    so weird this "lame duck session" in the US. in canada when you lose the election, that's the exact point you are out of a job. imagine getting fired and you're still doing your job for another 3 months. just bizarre. 
    Yeah and normally you just use this time to wind things up....tRUmp is going to do some amazingly horrible shit....to be determined
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    maybe he'll appoint himself so he can't be prosecuted. lol
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,092
    maybe he'll appoint himself so he can't be prosecuted. lol
    I still think he will resign and have Pence pardon him.  He will still be fucked with SDNY of course.

    I'm curious if Pence would do that if asked.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,238
    edited September 2020

    I still think he will resign and have Pence pardon him.  He will still be fucked with SDNY of course.

    I'm curious if Pence would do that if asked.

    he will not with sdny. thats a federal office. NYS or manhattan da...
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,605
    I still think he will resign and have Pence pardon him.  He will still be fucked with SDNY of course.

    I'm curious if Pence would do that if asked.

    To be honest, I'd love that outcome. It would be crystal clear that he left in disgrace and was in fact guilty of most of the shit people think he's guilty of.  I don't need him in prison, but I do need this to be over with closure.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,748
    tbergs said:
    NPR had a good piece about all of this. Additionally, yesterday I caught parts of a rebroadcast about America's Hidden Duopoly and how we got to this stage in US politics. It was really interesting to listen to. They talked about choice ranked voting and single ballot primaries to help lessen the stranglehold both the dems and repubs have on forcing certain candidates on us.

    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/americas-duopoly-rebroadcast/
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/915043386/washington-politics-could-be-about-to-enter-a-post-apocalyptic-phase


    A really bold move for the Dems would be to pass a law to legally “pack” the court, but stop at 3 so the court is 6-6 by party.

    That would be a bold statement and have terrific optics. Politics should not decide the law.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,820


    A really bold move for the Dems would be to pass a law to legally “pack” the court, but stop at 3 so the court is 6-6 by party.

    That would be a bold statement and have terrific optics. Politics should not decide the law.
    What would be the point of a 6-6 bench? To never pass anything? Have to have an odd number.


  • A really bold move for the Dems would be to pass a law to legally “pack” the court, but stop at 3 so the court is 6-6 by party.

    That would be a bold statement and have terrific optics. Politics should not decide the law.
    A SCOTUS with 12 would be a disaster.  They have to be able to decided things, they can't split and move along to the Really Supreme Court. ;)

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,388
    A SCOTUS with 12 would be a disaster.  They have to be able to decided things, they can't split and move along to the Really Supreme Court. ;)

    Since McConnel will serve forever, he'd just institute that the sitting VP, if it's a Republican, casts the deciding vote. A democratic VP would be allowed to wait for a Republican to decide when they were the VP.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,629
    Que es SDNY?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 44,238
    brianlux said:
    Que es SDNY?

    people seem to falsely believe a US ATTORNEYS OFFICE LIKE SDNY will be able to being unpardonable charges. its not true. its a federal office. NYS DA or Manhattan DA can.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,629
    mickeyrat said:

    people seem to falsely believe a US ATTORNEYS OFFICE LIKE SDNY will be able to being unpardonable charges. its not true. its a federal office. NYS DA or Manhattan DA can.
    Gracias, si, pero, ¿que es SDNY?


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  • static111static111 Posts: 5,021
    tbergs said:
    Since McConnel will serve forever, he'd just institute that the sitting VP, if it's a Republican, casts the deciding vote. A democratic VP would be allowed to wait for a Republican to decide when they were the VP.
    Haha. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,092
    Fucking Romney caved....what a douche
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,388
    edited September 2020
    Fucking Romney caved....what a douche
    I read that he supports having a vote, not that he would vote yes. Maybe it doesn't matter, but to me that could mean he thinks each senator should be on record for what they feel is the right step to take. If they vote to proceed, I think we know what is going to happen when democrats gain the majority. You reap what you sow.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,092
    Elections sure as fuck do have consequences....
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  • static111static111 Posts: 5,021
    Remember when the DNC thought it could win by catering to “moderate” republicans? 
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  • so weird this "lame duck session" in the US. in canada when you lose the election, that's the exact point you are out of a job. imagine getting fired and you're still doing your job for another 3 months. just bizarre. 
    Yeah I'd be for the way Canada does it. Even though, in most cases, that three-month span is a good time for the outgoing president to assist the incoming president and his administration in transitioning. George Bush Sr. couldn't have been more classy about it after losing to Clinton for example. Trump on the other hand will be completely outrageous in the span between election day and inauguration day if he loses. And I'm not just talking "not assisting in the transition." Trump will probably take a shit in the shower in the bathroom of the Lincoln bedroom on his way out. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,445
    edited September 2020
    Yeah I'd be for the way Canada does it. Even though, in most cases, that three-month span is a good time for the outgoing president to assist the incoming president and his administration in transitioning. George Bush Sr. couldn't have been more classy about it after losing to Clinton for example. Trump on the other hand will be completely outrageous in the span between election day and inauguration day if he loses. And I'm not just talking "not assisting in the transition." Trump will probably take a shit in the shower in the bathroom of the Lincoln bedroom on his way out. 
    he'll most likely instruct barr to undermine biden's presidency by announcing it's illegitimate and opening an investigation. and the results will be released "in two weeks" (i.e: never). 
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  • I can't believe Mitt.  I guess since he wasn't in the Senate in 2016 can't be seen as a hypocrite...but damn.  I had high hopes for him on this one.  Thought he was the last standard bearer of true conservative/republican principles....no more I guess.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 5,021
    There is no such thing as a principled “moderate” republican
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