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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,402
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
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    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.

    Yes, and so many examples of this abuse.   I can only conclude that it's just too easy in many places to become a cop.  Too many poor candidates for the job are slipping into the system. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.

    Yes, and so many examples of this abuse.   I can only conclude that it's just too easy in many places to become a cop.  Too many poor candidates for the job are slipping into the system. 
    i remember years ago someone told me that police academy enrollment in the states was so low that they had to change the rules to start allowing people with criminal convictions apply. no clue if that's true. 
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.

    Yes, and so many examples of this abuse.   I can only conclude that it's just too easy in many places to become a cop.  Too many poor candidates for the job are slipping into the system. 
    I'm thinking too that racists go to a profession where they can indulge that hatred freely. It's been going on for a very long time.

    I used to think it was important for good cops to stand up and let the bad cops know that their behavior was not ok. Now, since that isn't happening and any so-called good cops just accept the reputation that comes with their own silence and nothing changes, I have to conclude that there may not be any good cops. If there are any and I wish there was, they have to stand up and not be complicit. There's too much corruption out there...it's truly disgusting...and my father was a cop.

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Kat said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.

    Yes, and so many examples of this abuse.   I can only conclude that it's just too easy in many places to become a cop.  Too many poor candidates for the job are slipping into the system. 
    I'm thinking too that racists go to a profession where they can indulge that hatred freely. It's been going on for a very long time.

    I used to think it was important for good cops to stand up and let the bad cops know that their behavior was not ok. Now, since that isn't happening and any so-called good cops just accept the reputation that comes with their own silence and nothing changes, I have to conclude that there may not be any good cops. If there are any and I wish there was, they have to stand up and not be complicit. There's too much corruption out there...it's truly disgusting...and my father was a cop.

    imagine the pressures of the boys club of being a cop. imagine you work with one other cop, day in and day out. imagine how uncomfortable it would be to report that person, not knowing if it's going to be dealt with and if you'll be able to get a new partner. imagine then, your partner hates you and turns all the other cops in your department to hate you. 

    that's a helluva lot of pressure to stay silent. 

    i'd imagine you never think that your partner would kill another person. sure, he's an asshole, you try to calm him down, on to the next situation....he's a good guy, he's got a wife, family, young kids, how can i ruin his career?

    i know. this perpetuates all of it. but it can't be that easy to report another. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited September 2020
    Kat said:
    brianlux said:
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    When does it end?

    Police used 'spit hood' on Black man who died of asphyxiation: What we know about Daniel Prude's death


    ROCHESTER, N.Y. – A 41-year-old Black man died in March after being forcibly restrained by police officers.

    Daniel Prude, who suffered from acute mental health problems, was handcuffed naked by officers in the early morning hours of Monday, March 23. He was detained during an 11-minute confrontation involving six police officers and two emergency medical technicians.

    Force was applied for several minutes to Prude's head and back as he lay on the pavement. He lost consciousness after officers cut off his breathing and was transported to a hospital, where he died a week later.

    Prude's death was ruled a homicide, according to the autopsy report.
    Just another example of piss poor decisions. Ok, the spit hood makes sense, but he's on the ground handcuffed, not trying to go anywhere and yelling. Who gives a shit. They really didn't need to do much except wait for medics if that's what they were doing. He definitely needed to be brought in for an eval and possible hold with pending charges for the damage to property, but pressing his head in to the pavement? No way. That's excessive. Every time I see one of these, I can't fathom why the officers handled it that way.

    Yes, and so many examples of this abuse.   I can only conclude that it's just too easy in many places to become a cop.  Too many poor candidates for the job are slipping into the system. 
    I'm thinking too that racists go to a profession where they can indulge that hatred freely. It's been going on for a very long time.

    I used to think it was important for good cops to stand up and let the bad cops know that their behavior was not ok. Now, since that isn't happening and any so-called good cops just accept the reputation that comes with their own silence and nothing changes, I have to conclude that there may not be any good cops. If there are any and I wish there was, they have to stand up and not be complicit. There's too much corruption out there...it's truly disgusting...and my father was a cop.

    I’ve wondered how frequently this happens as well, and not just individuals, but racist groups like the KKK encouraging members to join law enforcement to get a leg in.  It is known that gangs, mafia, and other criminal enterprises do this in large cities and that police get paid off in other areas (see Epstein in Florida), so it’s not out of the realm of possibilities for racist organizations to do this as well to control certain areas.
    There have been incidents of cartel paying off law enforcement in my area for safe passage.  Everyone has a price...
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    And that reminds me ... as much as we wouldn't want to think this is possible here, we're heading down this path with our current leadership and we can't be in denial because we wish it wasn't real. They protect each other, turn us against each other and lie to us. We have to find a way to stop it.

    Written by Pastor Martin Niemöller

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Kat said:
    And that reminds me ... as much as we wouldn't want to think this is possible here, we're heading down this path with our current leadership and we can't be in denial because we wish it wasn't real. They protect each other, turn us against each other and lie to us. We have to find a way to stop it.

    Written by Pastor Martin Niemöller

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


    Powerful! 

    I'm encouraged by the fact that many people are speaking out today, but won't be truly encouraged until more people listen.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    edited September 2020
    It sure is. It's chilling to think about what happened in the past and how it could happen again if we're not vigilant. We just have to keep talking. It's a comfort to me that America includes people from all over the world. We're not one ethnicity; we're all of them. I like it that way and I want it to stay that way. :) 

    Please share any good ones...people speaking out today. :)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Kat said:
    It sure is. It's chilling to think about what happened in the past and how it could happen again if we're not vigilant. We just have to keep talking. It's a comfort to me that America includes people from all over the world. We're not one ethnicity; we're all of them. I like it that way and I want it to stay that way. :) 

    Please share any good ones...people speaking out today. :)

    :plus_one:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    oftenreading said:
    Eric Garner was just walking down a street when cops rolled up and confronted him. They hadn’t been called to a scene then. 

    Michael Brown was walking down a street when cops rolled up and told him to get on the sidewalk, and things escalated from there. They hadn’t been called to a scene. 

    Stephon Clark was just standing in his driveway when cops drove by, stopped to question him, chased him through the yard and shot him. They weren’t called to a scene then either; they were in the neighbourhood looking for information on an earlier incident. 


    So no, not apples and oranges. 

    It really is apples and oranges in this instance.  Cops were called to the scene where the cop was just cruising by his house.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Here in NYC yesterday a black car drove through a BLM protest in Times Square.

    From what I have heard so far no one knows who the car belongs too yet the license plate is clearly shown...
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/car-times-square-protesters-trnd/index.html

    Optics on it don't look very good.  I would expect more and more of this to happen.  Nobody was hurt.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Here in NYC yesterday a black car drove through a BLM protest in Times Square.

    From what I have heard so far no one knows who the car belongs too yet the license plate is clearly shown...
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/car-times-square-protesters-trnd/index.html

    Optics on it don't look very good.  I would expect more and more of this to happen.  Nobody was hurt.
    I saw an interview with a woman who said she was a passenger, supposedly she’s a Covidiot supporter and was getting harassed so she and her friends had to get out of there fast! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/car-drives-through-crowd-in-nyc-amid-protests-over-death-of-black-man-put-in-spit-hood-by-cops/2601989/?amp
    She’s been defacing BLM street painting...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BOO!

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    BOO!

    https://apple.news/AjeXmOl3kR7aLPoJjcGtFPQ
    lol no way!  I don't see this on the news!

    Anyone see the new tactics by the protesters and them rallying around the Mayor/governors homes?
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
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    The difference between how the police handled the Hasidic protest & the BLM here in NY couldn’t be more clear! 
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  • Malroth
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    https://youtu.be/WSWC49ISTzE

    The worst of times..they don't phase me,
    even if I look and act really crazy.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Of all those protests, of all those participants, of all those arrests, where's the beef? or the hamburder? Be afraid, be very afraid! And all those suburban women surely are, that's why they're voting Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat.  300. I didn't realize that the radical left and ANTIIIIIIIIIIIIFA were such large organizations? BOO!

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tell a different story.

    Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.

    Attorney General William Barr has urged his prosecutors to bring federal charges on protesters who cause violence and has suggested that rarely used sedition charges could apply. And the Department of Justice has pushed for detention even as prisons across the U.S. were releasing high-risk inmates because of COVID-19 and prosecutors had been told to consider the risks of incarceration during a pandemic when seeking detention.

    Federal charges levied in racial unrest

    Federal authorities have arrested more than 300 people amid a crackdown on racial injustice protesters in the U.S. since spring. An AP analysis shows that while many are accused of violent crimes, others are charged with relatively minor violations.

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    CHARGEPEOPLE CHARGED
    Arson (includes attempt and conspiracy to commit)
    86
    86
    Illegal possession of firearm
    46
    46
    Civil unrest/Disorder/Rioting/Creating a disturbance/Disorderly conduct
    39
    39
    Assaulting/Impeding/Intimidating federal employee or officer
    33
    33
    Use of explosives/Use, making or possession of destructive device (including Molotov Cocktail)/Receiving explosives
    30
    30
    Damaging/Destroying property by fire or explosive/Conspiracy
    17
    17
    Failing to obey lawful orders
    17
    17
    Damage/Destruction of government property
    17
    17
    Burglary/Conspiracy to commit burglary
    14
    14
    Interfering/Obstructing/Resisting law enforcement
    11
    11
    Attempting to destroy/Destroying a vehicle by fire/Conspiracy
    10
    10
    Making threats by phone/Internet
    9
    9
    For those arrested for multiple crimes, each separate charge is tallied in this table.
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