Black Lives Matter

Bentleyspop

Racists gonna racist

cblock4life

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

Halifax2TheMax

Somebody’s feeling a little bit uncomfortable.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/7/8/22568053/why-did-black-lives-matter-utah-call-people-who-fly-the-american-flag-racists-facebook-july-4

mace1229

gvn2fly1421 said:

Hobbes said:

I fully support Gwen Berry's actions. Same as Colin Kaepernick, Tommie Smith, John Carlos, Vince Matthews, and Wayne Collett. Jackie Robinson stated he would never stand for the anthem. They are all patriots.

For the record, I do too.  But what changed from this...


to this...

Aren’t most Olympic medalists still working jobs? Few sports warrant the type of sponsorship that allows someone to give up their regular income, at least long term. . When’s the last time you say the curling team on a box of Wheaties? There’s hundreds of events and only a handful make it to prime time viewing.

mace1229

John Shuster, 2018 gold metal in curling and bronze in 2006. Worked for Dicks sporting goods as a sales associate and now is a public speaker. 11 employees of Dicks participated in the 2018 olympics, including Shuster.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dicks-sporting-goods-celebrates-employee-roster-of-11-team-usa-winter-olympians-300589099.html

 Anyway, track and field is not the poor man’s sport, most of them are.

F Me In The Brain

Fuck the "reasonable person" bullshit, Trump Lover.

If you support Trump you are not reasonable, you are a garbage person.  Not the occupation, the contents of your soul....

For the matter I fully support BLM and their right to protest and can understand why they came to hate the flag and what they associate it with.

I have one flying but I do not blame them for how they feel.  If I lived the reality that  they live I would (for sure!) draw different assumptions and conclusions than I draw now.

Will take the opportunity to ask people directly if they feel that I am a dickhead KKK / Trump supporter when they see it up -- and assure them that I am the opposite of a Trump Supporter/KKK fool. 

nicknyr15

Didn’t that girl make jokes about rape and anti Mexican and anti Asian tweets a few years back? I guess she’s all grown up and changed now. 

hedonist

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

Your last sentence, absolutely.

It means something to me because it meant a lot to my father (WWII vet). My mom too (immigrated from the Middle East).  Others not respecting it means nothing to me, neither to my connections to it, nor to my life.

I guess I’m not rabid one way or the other. I know what’s in my heart.  

mickeyrat

mickeyrat said:

  https://youtu.be/NzEU5K3Y7xU

watch this short video. Especially you @lindamarie73 .......

cblock4life

F Me In The Brain said:

Fuck the "reasonable person" bullshit, Trump Lover.

If you support Trump you are not reasonable, you are a garbage person.  Not the occupation, the contents of your soul....

For the matter I fully support BLM and their right to protest and can understand why they came to hate the flag and what they associate it with.

I have one flying but I do not blame them for how they feel.  If I lived the reality that  they live I would (for sure!) draw different assumptions and conclusions than I draw now.

Will take the opportunity to ask people directly if they feel that I am a dickhead KKK / Trump supporter when they see it up -- and assure them that I am the opposite of a Trump Supporter/KKK fool. 

That’s an awesome description 

tempo_n_groove

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

mcgruff10

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!

Ledbetterman10

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!

Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

-Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
-People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
-So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
-Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
-You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 

mickeyrat

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!

Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

-Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
-People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
-So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
-Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
-You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 

then theres folks like me who say do what you want with it, its just symbol of ideals we seem to refuse to try to live up to and honor.

then I'll hang mine upside down and stay seated during the anthem.

OnWis97

I  actually think it started well before Kaepernick...though that was probably an amplifier. I have no memory of a time when the right didn't think they loved America more and wasn't more devoted to flying the flag than the left (with the possible exception of the first year or two after 9/11, which good and bad, was about as unified as the two sides have been). That said, it's more recent that it's started to be viewed as an exclusively right-wing thing. I don't actually think it was things like Kaepernick as much as it was the right-wing media outrage machine using it as a divider and a way to demonize what is now their #1 enemy; domestic liberals (and even moderates).

I've never had an American flag (or any flag, really) and it's not because I consider it a right-wing thing as much as I've always struggled with the line between patriotism and jingoism. I think patriotism in and of itself is OK but I think we're far too devoted to how we're the greatest and it brings out an ugliness.  I also happen to think that patriotism doesn't actually necessitate outward expressions and virtue signaling.*  Kind of like how if I go to a sporting event, the guy in face paint, team jersey, and garish head decor isn't necessarily a bigger fan than the neutrally dressed fan.

All this said, maybe the left, center, and whoever need to start flying the flag. Having it co-opted by people who hate the majority of people the flag is meant to represent isn't working.

*Another term co-opted by the right despite their being just as guilty.

Ledbetterman10

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!

Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

-Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
-People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
-So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
-Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
-You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 

then theres folks like me who say do what you want with it, its just symbol of ideals we seem to refuse to try to live up to and honor.

then I'll hang mine upside down and stay seated during the anthem.

Yeah do whatever ya want with it. 

hedonist

I grew up with my dad raising our flag every Memorial Day and similar observances. He treated that silly piece of cloth with seriousness, and with respect…and I helped him fold it back up every time, military style. For him, it represented freedom from a country that exterminated — like fucking rodents — much of his family out of hate and division. It represented freedom to come to the US, be welcomed, and at 22, become part of our armed forces literally fighting back against those who stole and destroyed so much and so many.

Am I a Trump supporter for how I feel?  A lesser person in the eyes of some? Generalizations are de rigeur, you know. 

If so, oh well. The older I get, the more I have no problem thinking others can fuck off if they want to jump to conclusions.

What a country. 

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 

This.

I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

Take the flag back.

Hasn’t flying the flag been associated more with the Republican Party for a very long time? It’s really
nothing new. And unfortunately Trump is still one of the big faces of that party. 

I remember watching one of those To Catch a Criminal shows probably 20 years ago. They interviewed a robber and he said he never breaks into a house that flies the flag. Because they are probably republican and republicans own guns. So it’s nothing new. Just Trump being the face of the party is, for the last 5 years anyway.

tempo_n_groove

This has shifted away from BLM but at least we are having a conversation.

I'm going to start a new thread about the flag.  Maybe we can start our own movement?

Hobbes