How Do We Even Know...(2021 TOUR)

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Sorry if this has already been discussed...been off the grid for a spell.

Glad to see PJ has set the dates for the 2021 Euro tour. But how do we know these shows will even happen?

Back in the spring my three big summer shows here in Detroit: Smashing Pumpkins, Foo Fighters, and Smashing Pumpkins/Guns N Roses were postponed, rescheduled for October, and then finally cancelled. Only Guns N Roses has rescheduled, for next summer, and I even have my doubts that will even go on.

I'm truly thrilled Pearl Jam and the venues have seen fit to put these dates on the calendar; doing so provides a shred of the hope we all need right now. Just wondering what gave them the confidence to do so? It seems like a gigantic risk for morale, logistics, etc.

Did I miss something?

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  • Posts: 7,245
    We don't. Everything being rescheduled now is a big assumption and it's probably part of the reason why we don't have any set USA dates other than two in over a year from now.
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    No one knows. 
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  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    We do not know. 
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  • NJ Posts: 11
    US dates will take awhile as the NBA and NHL has first dibs on all of the arenas. All music acts will have to wait until those schedules are released to see what dates are then available.
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  • Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,980
    On the plus side, you'll get a few quid back due to the exchange rate when you cash in your tour refund via Transferwise in 18 months time.

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    cddenley said:
    US dates will take awhile as the NBA and NHL has first dibs on all of the arenas. All music acts will have to wait until those schedules are released to see what dates are then available.
    To an extent this is going to be true but I do not believe that has to be the case for the concerts that are postponed as it was not the case for some of the shows that decided to reschedule after cancelling in March/April and moving it to this fall. We all should know at this point that they had a huge fall tour planned with both legs being included. This was all done with no new schedules from the pro sports teams. 

    Now that we have had a lengthy delay and everyone is going to be fighting for those dates it is going to be a lot harder to fit everyone in but I think Pearl Jam is playing it smart right now. Those that cancelled the tour or did not have dates planned may have a harder time getting the new dates first when we are allowed to have concerts again over those that postponed. I am not 100% sure about that of course but it makes sense that those that had tours delayed get dibs before those that did not. Or who the fuck knows and its going to be a huge mess next fall schedule wise. Fingers crossed we can have something next year.  
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    on2legs said:
    No one knows. 
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    cddenley said:
    US dates will take awhile as the NBA and NHL has first dibs on all of the arenas. All music acts will have to wait until those schedules are released to see what dates are then available.
    Every college basketball arena in the country will likely be available until Jan 1st.

    There are 3 full size arenas at one intersection near my house in case they are looking for somewhere to play. Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd. Or go one block down to Thomas and Mack. Or a block in the other direction to the new Raiders stadium. Or play a club show at House of Blues in Mandalay Bay. Or join the over the hill groups and play the arena at The Orleans.
  • Posts: 5,764
    In response to the OP, the reschedule announcement from PJ said directly within it that the new schedule is subject to safety. 

    I think that means it is contingent on a vaccine (or miracle cure).  If you read the news some people think by next June a lot of the world will have been vaccinated.  There are others who don’t think that is realistic and would say see you in 2022.

    It’s anybody’s guess but I am glad there are at least some dates on paper.

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  • TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    No way the spring US dates get rescheduled for this coming spring. Maybe fall 21’ or spring 22’ 
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    No way the spring US dates get rescheduled for this coming spring. Maybe fall 21’ or spring 22’ 
    May is 257 days away. To put that in comparison it has only been 160 days since they postponed their tour. That is a long time from now to say no way. Unlikely maybe but I am not going with no way just yet!
  • Posts: 5,764
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    No way the spring US dates get rescheduled for this coming spring. Maybe fall 21’ or spring 22’ 
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  • Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    My family is not planning on attending any concert until sometime in 2022.  We'd like to see how these vaccines are going to work.  And, if people can't wear a damned mask (or wear it correctly) am I having faith that they are going to get a vaccine?  No.  We'll hold and continue to support the music industry by purchasing physical merch/media when we can.  
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    deadendp said:
    My family is not planning on attending any concert until sometime in 2022.  We'd like to see how these vaccines are going to work.  And, if people can't wear a damned mask (or wear it correctly) am I having faith that they are going to get a vaccine?  No.  We'll hold and continue to support the music industry by purchasing physical merch/media when we can.  
    Sounds sensible to me
  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    All we can do is hope...and be smart, and listen to the advice of smarter people.
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  • Posts: 5,764
    Nothing wrong with a safety first approach.

    One thing I would say though is that although it may also prevent onward transmission, the vaccine primarily protects the vaccinated, whereas the mask strategy relies on other people to wear theirs (unless you have a medical mask).

    If I am fortunate enough to receive a vaccine, I would go to a show for sure and not worry about whether the other people at the show have got it.  I would hope everyone has an equal opportunity to get it though.
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  • Posts: 887
    No U.S. tour till we get a real leader to guide the nation thru this pandemic. Not some orange piece of shit. 
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    edited August 2020
    RatherStarved said:
    Nothing wrong with a safety first approach.

    One thing I would say though is that although it may also prevent onward transmission, the vaccine primarily protects the vaccinated, whereas the mask strategy relies on other people to wear theirs (unless you have a medical mask).

    If I am fortunate enough to receive a vaccine, I would go to a show for sure and not worry about whether the other people at the show have got it.  I would hope everyone has an equal opportunity to get it though.
    The vaccine isn't going to be 100% effective though and it sounds like it will probably help 50% to 70% of people.  I agree with you and would do the same, but I would still mask up and take precautions.
  • Posts: 15,946
    Every time I see the title of this thread I sing “how do we even know” to the chorus of Who Ever Said.  Quite catchy.  
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