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Wow, so Chicago BLM leaders openly endorse the looting...You said it, disgraceful. Wonder how Chiraq business owners and voters feel about it. Jesse Jackson is not a fan:bbiggs said:I thought the protesters were all peaceful and the looters were all bad actors. Those lines might be a bit more blurred I guess. What’s going on in Chicago is a disgrace. And this is from NBC Chicago; not some right-wing, politically spun bullshit news source.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/black-lives-matter-holds-rally-supporting-individuals-arrested-in-chicago-looting-monday/2320365/%3famp
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Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.0 -
The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.Looting is ugly and every reasonable take I’ve seen has spoke out against it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a viable form of protest. Kneeling on the sideline and blocking streets apparently has a pretty low ceiling for success.Post edited by DewieCox on0
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You are free to move on if you wish.nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.
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oftenreading said:
You are free to move on if you wish.nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.Scary world when you can only talk about something if an approved media outlet mentions it.
A - "Fox12 just said a tornado is coming!"
B - "Has NBC said anything about a tornado yet?"
A - "But look out the window, you can see the funnel cloud!"
B - "Why are you referencing a biased media outlet?"
A - "Get in the basement!"
B - "Why are my windows shaking?"
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And you could start a Cities Under Siege Thread or a Riot Acts thread. This is the Police Abuse thread so I’m not sure how the Chicago looting fits in unless you consider 13 officers hurt arresting 100 suspected rioters/looters “abuse?”nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.
What’s so telling? That posters here don’t think Chicago, NYC, LA, etc. will go the way of Seattle? I heard it had fallen.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Ok.Halifax2TheMax said:
And you could start a Cities Under Siege Thread or a Riot Acts thread. This is the Police Abuse thread so I’m not sure how the Chicago looting fits in unless you consider 13 officers hurt arresting 100 suspected rioters/looters “abuse?”nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.
What’s so telling? That posters here don’t think Chicago, NYC, LA, etc. will go the way of Seattle? I heard it had fallen.0 -
Namely the one that kickstarted this side discussion but ultimately any that portray that story from an obvious angle.bootlegger10 said:DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
And you could start a Cities Under Siege Thread or a Riot Acts thread. This is the Police Abuse thread so I’m not sure how the Chicago looting fits in unless you consider 13 officers hurt arresting 100 suspected rioters/looters “abuse?”nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.
What’s so telling? That posters here don’t think Chicago, NYC, LA, etc. will go the way of Seattle? I heard it had fallen.
It is all part of the same conversation.0 -
Who said approved? I said accurate. You are free to read less than accurate sources, and even talk about them if you wish.bootlegger10 said:oftenreading said:
You are free to move on if you wish.nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.Scary world when you can only talk about something if an approved media outlet mentions it.
A - "Fox12 just said a tornado is coming!"
B - "Has NBC said anything about a tornado yet?"
A - "But look out the window, you can see the funnel cloud!"
B - "Why are you referencing a biased media outlet?"
A - "Get in the basement!"
B - "Why are my windows shaking?"
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Looting is a viable form of protest? Really? Breaking windows and stealing a new pair of Gucci shoes is getting the BLM message across?DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.Looting is ugly and every reasonable take I’ve seen has spoke out against it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a viable form of protest. Kneeling on the sideline and blocking streets apparently has a pretty low ceiling for success.
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That's actually a good idea. I said the same thing a few weeks back. There's so much rioting, looting, and violence, yet we've all been posting about it threads like this, BLM, Seattle has fallen, etc. I'll start the thread.Halifax2TheMax said:
And you could start a Cities Under Siege Thread or a Riot Acts thread. This is the Police Abuse thread so I’m not sure how the Chicago looting fits in unless you consider 13 officers hurt arresting 100 suspected rioters/looters “abuse?”nicknyr15 said:
Irrelevant to the topic. You can start a news outlet topic, if there’s not one already. It was a news piece, not a political opinion piece. What’s going on in Chicago is Embarrassing and disgraceful no matter which news outlet you choose to read it from. Why we’re still discussing this instead of what’s going on is really telling.oftenreading said:bootlegger10 said:Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked? Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source? It is working if that is your goal.
No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.
What’s so telling? That posters here don’t think Chicago, NYC, LA, etc. will go the way of Seattle? I heard it had fallen.
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All of these threads are intertwined. BLM, police abuse, Seattle fallen, etc. Could post the same thing in all three and have it be relevant to the topic.
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When all Murdoch owned media had that story as their lead, well, colour me skeptical. Was it really as important as other things that were going on that day? Could they trying to distract people from more disgusting abuses of democracy?
And if were going to get technical about what can and cant get posted in this thread, I don't see how the original link is relevant to police abuse. Were the cops beating on protesters? I don't know, because I didn't look at the link, for reasons stated before.0 -
Not saying everyone doing it is righteous but if people view those businesses as symbols of a system that has held them down and they’re willing to risk the consequences, then by all means....when have any major advances in social justice happened without this sort of thing?bbiggs said:
Looting is a viable form of protest? Really? Breaking windows and stealing a new pair of Gucci shoes is getting the BLM message across?DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.Looting is ugly and every reasonable take I’ve seen has spoke out against it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a viable form of protest. Kneeling on the sideline and blocking streets apparently has a pretty low ceiling for success.0 -
My liberal bubble keeping me thinking that the riots ended two months ago. Also, showing how they're down playing the violence.
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THREE MORE BIG STORIES2. Unrest in Chicago
Bridges were raised in Chicago to prevent people from going to the scene of the unrest.Ashlee Rezin Garcia/Chicago Sun-Times, via Associated Press
More than 100 people were arrested in Chicago on charges of disorderly conduct, looting and battery against the police yesterday, after crowds smashed through store windows and clashed with the police along the Magnificent Mile shopping district.
The cause of the unrest was still murky by Monday evening, though it seemed to have been set off after police officers shot a 20-year-old man who they said had fired at them first.Mayor Lori Lightfoot expressed outrage over the unrest, and ordered limited access to downtown starting Monday evening. But she made it clear that she did not want federal troops sent to the city and drew a distinction between the turmoil and the “righteous uprising” of demonstrations that followed the killing of George Floyd.
In Seattle: The city’s police chief, Carmen Best, said last night that she would resign, hours after the City Council approved cuts to the police budget.A deadly summer: Months spent in lockdown and the pandemic’s effects on the economy appear to have contributed to an abnormally large increase in homicides across 20 major U.S. cities.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What sparked the latest round of "protests" in Chicago was a cop shooting a criminal that shot at the police first. So, yes, it is very relevant to a police abuse thread.dignin said:When all Murdoch owned media had that story as their lead, well, colour me skeptical. Was it really as important as other things that were going on that day? Could they trying to distract people from more disgusting abuses of democracy?
And if were going to get technical about what can and cant get posted in this thread, I don't see how the original link is relevant to police abuse. Were the cops beating on protesters? I don't know, because I didn't look at the link, for reasons stated before.
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I don't know, man. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. We'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.DewieCox said:
Not saying everyone doing it is righteous but if people view those businesses as symbols of a system that has held them down and they’re willing to risk the consequences, then by all means....when have any major advances in social justice happened without this sort of thing?bbiggs said:
Looting is a viable form of protest? Really? Breaking windows and stealing a new pair of Gucci shoes is getting the BLM message across?DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.Looting is ugly and every reasonable take I’ve seen has spoke out against it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a viable form of protest. Kneeling on the sideline and blocking streets apparently has a pretty low ceiling for success.
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So is there a line that should not be crossed? We’ve already seen attempts to burn down a building with people inside, elderly abuse, etc. By “risk the consequence” such as having the military brought in to control the riots? The “social justice” may not be what they hoped for, especially once businesses owners start taking matters into their own hands. But as long as the business owners are willing to risk the consequences of lethal force against looters, then “by all means”?DewieCox said:
Not saying everyone doing it is righteous but if people view those businesses as symbols of a system that has held them down and they’re willing to risk the consequences, then by all means....when have any major advances in social justice happened without this sort of thing?bbiggs said:
Looting is a viable form of protest? Really? Breaking windows and stealing a new pair of Gucci shoes is getting the BLM message across?DewieCox said:The headline makes it a political opinion piece imo.Looting is ugly and every reasonable take I’ve seen has spoke out against it. Doesn’t mean it’s not a viable form of protest. Kneeling on the sideline and blocking streets apparently has a pretty low ceiling for success.0
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