Police abuse

mace1229

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/10/looters-vandals-sweep-through-chicagos-magnificent-mile/

what a fuckin joke. 

For someone who claims to be in the middle of the political spectrum, you sure do read a lot of New York Post. 

I apologize, but I don't even click on those links you post from that website, that shit will rot your brain.

I read both. Daily News is behind a pay wall and whats the pint in posting the same stories that the usual 4-5 of you post already? And what’s the harm in reading both sides? These links aren’t opinion pieces. But whatever. Stick to only reading news outlets that cater to what you want to hear. 

I don't see how reading Daily News is any better, that's garbage too. It has nothing to do with my politics, it has to do with getting my news from reputable sources that aren't extreme. I hear you complain about the extremes of discourse from the left and right here all the time and you read a share stories from sources on the extreme left and right. That's quite a contradiction and interesting.

What does it matter if it’s extreme left or right, as long as its true?
if you only read left news sources you’d think looting and violent protests ended 2 months ago. If you only viewed right leaning sources you’d think every major city is complete anarchy.
The truth is in the middle. There is nothing wrong with someone posting an accurate story from a right leaning source. You won’t hear that story from most media sources because it put “protestors” attacking and shooting cops and even hitting another civilian. So if you want to discuss the violence that is going on you have to leave the left bubble in order to talk about it.

Halifax2TheMax

What “leftist bubble” are some of us living in? Do you really think most of the most frequent posters only look at one or link to one news source? Sorry, both sides aren’t the same. From today’s web pages of the “leftist bubble.” Some “opinion” for you. 

mace1229

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

DewieCox

dignin said:

DewieCox said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/10/looters-vandals-sweep-through-chicagos-magnificent-mile/

what a fuckin joke. 

For someone who claims to be in the middle of the political spectrum, you sure do read a lot of New York Post. 

I apologize, but I don't even click on those links you post from that website, that shit will rot your brain.

Seems an odd thing to spin since it talked about the destruction property and then the arrests that were made in the aftermath. Whichever side of the aisle you’re on, based on the facts presented, it seems relatively inconsequential.

I choose not to read from garbage sources, NYP is garbage. I don't want to give them web traffic. That is not spin.

I’m with you. Maybe I’m projecting but I took the initial link/comment to say...”this unchecked looting/rioting is a fucking joke”.  The headline is irresponsible. Why couldn’t it be “A Dozen Arrested In Magnificent Mile Destruction”. We all see the answer. 

nicknyr15

DewieCox said:

dignin said:

DewieCox said:

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/10/looters-vandals-sweep-through-chicagos-magnificent-mile/

what a fuckin joke. 

For someone who claims to be in the middle of the political spectrum, you sure do read a lot of New York Post. 

I apologize, but I don't even click on those links you post from that website, that shit will rot your brain.

Seems an odd thing to spin since it talked about the destruction property and then the arrests that were made in the aftermath. Whichever side of the aisle you’re on, based on the facts presented, it seems relatively inconsequential.

I choose not to read from garbage sources, NYP is garbage. I don't want to give them web traffic. That is not spin.

I’m with you. Maybe I’m projecting but I took the initial link/comment to say...”this unchecked looting/rioting is a fucking joke”.  The headline is irresponsible. Why couldn’t it be “A Dozen Arrested In Magnificent Mile Destruction”. We all see the answer. 

You’re projecting. My post was nothing more that what it was. Wasn’t political. What’s a joke is what’s going on there. That’s it. I’m shocked the direction this went, but I guess I shouldn’t be. 

DewieCox

Fair enough. I wait with bated breath for your first link that offers a left leaning take for a headline. 

nicknyr15

DewieCox said:

Fair enough. I wait with bated breath for your first link that offers a left leaning take for a headline. 

I wouldn’t wait. No need to step on everyone’s toes here. Still don’t understand why that matters. 

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

That’s not what I said at all. I’ll explain again.  Someone said they wouldn’t click on an article because of the source. I asked what does the source matter if it is accurate. And gave the example the left emphasizes the peaceful side of the protests and the right focuses on the violent side. And said if you watch only CNN You’d think the violence ended months ago, compared to if you watched fox, you’d think the country is in complete anarchy.
I did say If you want accurate stories you have to leave the left bubble and get multiple sources. I wasn’t talking to anyone specifically, it was a general “you.”
Never accused anyone of only listening to a single source.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

That’s not what I said at all. I’ll explain again.  Someone said they wouldn’t click on an article because of the source. I asked what does the source matter if it is accurate. And gave the example the left emphasizes the peaceful side of the protests and the right focuses on the violent side. And said if you watch only CNN You’d think the violence ended months ago, compared to if you watched fox, you’d think the country is in complete anarchy.
I did say If you want accurate stories you have to leave the left bubble and get multiple sources. I wasn’t talking to anyone specifically, it was a general “you.”
Never accused anyone of only listening to a single source.

Here's what you posted at 2:30 this afternoon:

What does it matter if it’s extreme left or right, as long as its true?
if you only read left news sources (italics are mine for emphasis) you’d think looting and violent protests ended 2 months ago. If you only viewed right leaning sources you’d think every major city is complete anarchy.
The truth is in the middle. There is nothing wrong with someone posting an accurate story from a right leaning source. You won’t hear that story from most media sources because it put “protestors” attacking and shooting cops and even hitting another civilian. So if you want to discuss the violence that is going on you have to leave the left bubble (italics are mine for emphasis) in order to talk about it.

You made it sound as if you don't leave the "left bubble" (see the bolded) you don't have an accurate portrayal of what has been happening with the riots. I posted the most common "left bubble" news sites to illuistrate that they indeed have reported on the riots, and that if you're in the "left bubble" you wouldn't think they ended two months ago. you didn't say anything about CNN in the above post and to which I'm responding. Again, your "context" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. As I'm part of the "you" you referenced in a "general you" as it relates to a "left bubble," I disagree with your portrayal. 

What is inaccurate about the "left bubble" news stories I posted screen shots of? They are findable, all from today and you can read them to "see" if by doing so, someone might think the riots ended two months ago or that they downplayed the "violence."

bootlegger10

Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked?   Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source?   It is working if that is your goal. 

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

That’s not what I said at all. I’ll explain again.  Someone said they wouldn’t click on an article because of the source. I asked what does the source matter if it is accurate. And gave the example the left emphasizes the peaceful side of the protests and the right focuses on the violent side. And said if you watch only CNN You’d think the violence ended months ago, compared to if you watched fox, you’d think the country is in complete anarchy.
I did say If you want accurate stories you have to leave the left bubble and get multiple sources. I wasn’t talking to anyone specifically, it was a general “you.”
Never accused anyone of only listening to a single source.

Here's what you posted at 2:30 this afternoon:

What does it matter if it’s extreme left or right, as long as its true?
if you only read left news sources (italics are mine for emphasis) you’d think looting and violent protests ended 2 months ago. If you only viewed right leaning sources you’d think every major city is complete anarchy.
The truth is in the middle. There is nothing wrong with someone posting an accurate story from a right leaning source. You won’t hear that story from most media sources because it put “protestors” attacking and shooting cops and even hitting another civilian. So if you want to discuss the violence that is going on you have to leave the left bubble (italics are mine for emphasis) in order to talk about it.

You made it sound as if you don't leave the "left bubble" (see the bolded) you don't have an accurate portrayal of what has been happening with the riots. I posted the most common "left bubble" news sites to illuistrate that they indeed have reported on the riots, and that if you're in the "left bubble" you wouldn't think they ended two months ago. you didn't say anything about CNN in the above post and to which I'm responding. Again, your "context" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. As I'm part of the "you" you referenced in a "general you" as it relates to a "left bubble," I disagree with your portrayal. 

What is inaccurate about the "left bubble" news stories I posted screen shots of? They are findable, all from today and you can read them to "see" if by doing so, someone might think the riots ended two months ago or that they downplayed the "violence."

You think the mainstream media isn’t biased and reports accurately on the protests and violence. I don’t. I think we’ve beat this to death. We disagree on one more thing.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

That’s not what I said at all. I’ll explain again.  Someone said they wouldn’t click on an article because of the source. I asked what does the source matter if it is accurate. And gave the example the left emphasizes the peaceful side of the protests and the right focuses on the violent side. And said if you watch only CNN You’d think the violence ended months ago, compared to if you watched fox, you’d think the country is in complete anarchy.
I did say If you want accurate stories you have to leave the left bubble and get multiple sources. I wasn’t talking to anyone specifically, it was a general “you.”
Never accused anyone of only listening to a single source.

Here's what you posted at 2:30 this afternoon:

What does it matter if it’s extreme left or right, as long as its true?
if you only read left news sources (italics are mine for emphasis) you’d think looting and violent protests ended 2 months ago. If you only viewed right leaning sources you’d think every major city is complete anarchy.
The truth is in the middle. There is nothing wrong with someone posting an accurate story from a right leaning source. You won’t hear that story from most media sources because it put “protestors” attacking and shooting cops and even hitting another civilian. So if you want to discuss the violence that is going on you have to leave the left bubble (italics are mine for emphasis) in order to talk about it.

You made it sound as if you don't leave the "left bubble" (see the bolded) you don't have an accurate portrayal of what has been happening with the riots. I posted the most common "left bubble" news sites to illuistrate that they indeed have reported on the riots, and that if you're in the "left bubble" you wouldn't think they ended two months ago. you didn't say anything about CNN in the above post and to which I'm responding. Again, your "context" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. As I'm part of the "you" you referenced in a "general you" as it relates to a "left bubble," I disagree with your portrayal. 

What is inaccurate about the "left bubble" news stories I posted screen shots of? They are findable, all from today and you can read them to "see" if by doing so, someone might think the riots ended two months ago or that they downplayed the "violence."

You think the mainstream media isn’t biased and reports accurately on the protests and violence. I don’t. I think we’ve beat this to death. We disagree on one more thing.

I never said a word about bias, you brought it up. I simply pointed out that the “left bubble” wouldn’t have you believe the riots ended two months ago as you posited. Why CNN just reported on riots in 5 or 6 cities across the US tonight, including Ferguson and Chicago over the weekend. Both sides are not the same.

nicknyr15

bootlegger10 said:

Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked?   Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source?   It is working if that is your goal. 

Spot on. Zero discussion about my original post. Almost two pages of attacking news sources. 

Halifax2TheMax

Arresting 8 year olds at school. Yea, policing in ‘Murica doesn’t need reform.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/11/video-florida-boy-arrested/

bbiggs

I thought the protesters were all peaceful and the looters were all bad actors.  Those lines might be a bit more blurred I guess.  What’s going on in Chicago is a disgrace.  And this is from NBC Chicago; not some right-wing, politically spun bullshit news source.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/black-lives-matter-holds-rally-supporting-individuals-arrested-in-chicago-looting-monday/2320365/%3famp

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

So you don’t think CNN is biased. I do. As well as all the right/conservative ones too.

Still, I only asked what difference the source makes if it’s accurate. I’m guessing since you provided other sources the answer is none?

No, you claimed that if we (General we) didn’t step out of our liberal news bubble, we’d think the riots ended months ago. I’m pointing out that my liberal bubble has reported on the ongoing riots extensively. Here’s a couple more opinions. Maybe you could share which liberal news sources haven’t covered the riots, leading us to believe they ended months ago?

Context is everything. I made that comment in response to asking why provide a link to a story from the NYP. And asked what difference does it make what the source that poster used as long as the story is accurate. 

And yes, for a large part CNN and other main stream media drastically downplay the violence in the protests. Just like Fox does the opposite.

Your comment was waaaaaaaaaay out of context. “Reporting” is much different than “bias” in said reporting. Your statement assumes that those of us living in the liberal bubble would think the rioting ended two months ago. I take issue with that general characterization that you made.

That’s not what I said at all. I’ll explain again.  Someone said they wouldn’t click on an article because of the source. I asked what does the source matter if it is accurate. And gave the example the left emphasizes the peaceful side of the protests and the right focuses on the violent side. And said if you watch only CNN You’d think the violence ended months ago, compared to if you watched fox, you’d think the country is in complete anarchy.
I did say If you want accurate stories you have to leave the left bubble and get multiple sources. I wasn’t talking to anyone specifically, it was a general “you.”
Never accused anyone of only listening to a single source.

Here's what you posted at 2:30 this afternoon:

What does it matter if it’s extreme left or right, as long as its true?
if you only read left news sources (italics are mine for emphasis) you’d think looting and violent protests ended 2 months ago. If you only viewed right leaning sources you’d think every major city is complete anarchy.
The truth is in the middle. There is nothing wrong with someone posting an accurate story from a right leaning source. You won’t hear that story from most media sources because it put “protestors” attacking and shooting cops and even hitting another civilian. So if you want to discuss the violence that is going on you have to leave the left bubble (italics are mine for emphasis) in order to talk about it.

You made it sound as if you don't leave the "left bubble" (see the bolded) you don't have an accurate portrayal of what has been happening with the riots. I posted the most common "left bubble" news sites to illuistrate that they indeed have reported on the riots, and that if you're in the "left bubble" you wouldn't think they ended two months ago. you didn't say anything about CNN in the above post and to which I'm responding. Again, your "context" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. As I'm part of the "you" you referenced in a "general you" as it relates to a "left bubble," I disagree with your portrayal. 

What is inaccurate about the "left bubble" news stories I posted screen shots of? They are findable, all from today and you can read them to "see" if by doing so, someone might think the riots ended two months ago or that they downplayed the "violence."

You think the mainstream media isn’t biased and reports accurately on the protests and violence. I don’t. I think we’ve beat this to death. We disagree on one more thing.

You are conflating two different issues, bias and accuracy. The mainstream left leaning sources you mentioned are generally recognized to have accurate reporting despite bias, while the New York Post is viewed as being both biased and factually mixed. That means that there's no particular reason to assume the reporting is true or accurate, and if that's the case, no real reason to read it when there are better sources. I believe that was dignin's point as well. 

oftenreading

bootlegger10 said:

Why don’t you talk about the event that you know is true and happened instead of attacking the news source that was linked?   Or do you prefer to ignore things that don’t fit your viewpoint and thus distract with attacks on the news source?   It is working if that is your goal. 

No reason why there can't be discussion about news sources, when that's an essential element of how the narrative about police is shaped and in fact how police have been able to get away with what they've been getting away with for decades.