The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,762
    heres something good,
    yes/no?


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  • Bentleyspop
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    mickeyrat said:
    heres something good,
    yes/no?



    Sounds like a step in the right direction!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    A fascinating by-product of COVID-19 - 25% reduction in China's carbon emissions.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/covid-19-coronavirus-climate-carbon-emissions-china-economy-1.5477466
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    ARNOLD!!!

    https://youtu.be/ntXUg4s-DFo
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,762
    oftenreading said:
    A fascinating by-product of COVID-19 - 25% reduction in China's carbon emissions.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/covid-19-coronavirus-climate-carbon-emissions-china-economy-1.5477466
    wonder what this is now, some 2 weeks later. Not just them but perhaps other areas of the world too with restrictions in place.

    Good opportunity to show just how much effect man has on the climate at least in terms of emissions....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    no longer need to wonder...
    Sky News - Coronavirus: Satellite shows fall in pollution over northern Italy amid lockdown

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-satellite-shows-fall-in-pollution-over-northern-italy-amid-lockdown-11956912
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    And here we are, the red planet
    Craters across the skyline
    A sleep sack in a bivouac
    And a Kerouac sense of time
    And we think about the old days
    Of green grass, sky and red wine
    Should've known so fragile
    And avoided this one-way flight
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Could Azolla filiculoides alleviate the global warming situation?  Sure looks like it could help!


    This Is the “Most Economically Important” Fern on Earth


    Much like Frodo in The Lord of the Rings, the fern Azolla filiculoides proves that the small can certainly pack a punch. This minuscule water fern, which has leaves the size of a single gnat, was the focus of a 2018 study published in Nature Plants. Scientists say the bright green plant is complete with unique capabilities — and has the potential to help us mitigate the effects of climate change.

    In the study, an international team of scientists announced they successfully sequenced the A. filiculoids genome as well as the genome of another floating fern known as Salvina cucullata. Co-author and University of California Berkeley integrative biology professor Carl Rothfels, Ph.D. tells Inverse that having these genomes brings scientists one step closer to “understanding some of the crazy biology of these particular species.” Rothfels says that one of the most “extraordinary features” of this fern is its ability to have a symbiotic relationship with cyanobacteria, which in turn gives it the ability to “fix” nitrogen. Nitrogen fixation is the process by which plants use the chemical element as a fertilizer: Most plants typically can’t do this alone, but the blue-green cyanobacteria that live in the Azolla leaves allow for this process to happen. In turn, Azolla can sustain rapid growth in favorable conditions. That’s important for multiple reasons, the first being that the fern shows “great promise as a biofuel,” says Rothfel. While it’s been used as a fertilizer for rice paddies in Asia for the past 1,000 years, he and his team are now curious to know whether it could be used as a sustainable fertilizer elsewhere. Its ability to help agricultural crops is compounded by its resistance to pests: Farmers have noticed for decades that bugs generally don’t like ferns, and now the sequencing of the Azolla genome reveals it carries certain genetic mutations that allow it to repel insects.

    All of this has earned Azolla the nickname “green manure,” and co-author and Cornell University assistant professor Fay-Wei Li, Ph.D. says it is “perhaps the most economically important fern that has ever lived!”

    But Li and Rothfel both note that the fern’s incredible ability to grow and thrive could help humans save themselves from climate change. In fact, it’s actually helped out the planet before.

    “There was a massive Azolla bloom in the Arctic 50 million years ago so large that geologists believe it drove down a significant amount of C02 (carbon dioxide) and helped cool the Earth,” says Li.

    That means that Azolla, one of the fastest-growing plants on the planet, has the potential to be a significant carbon sink today. A massive rise in modern-day atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are directly linked to the warming of the planet and overall climate change.

    Millions of years ago, this fern “sequestered so much carbon that it switched the globe out of ‘hothouse’ conditions into the relatively cooler conditions that we experience now,” says Rothfel. If we grow a huge amount of this tiny plant, we might be able to make that happen again.









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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    myoung321 said:
    no longer need to wonder...
    Sky News - Coronavirus: Satellite shows fall in pollution over northern Italy amid lockdown

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-satellite-shows-fall-in-pollution-over-northern-italy-amid-lockdown-11956912
    I'm not people ever really doubted pollution did they?  I think its the larger question of what is the impact longterm on the earth.  So this really isn't surprising.  I mean, every manufacturing plant has an understanding of their emissions.  We know car emissions...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    I came across this article today that is a reminder (not that all of us need to be reminded) of what will prove to be the most pressing issue of our time: Global Warming.  

    Some key points here:
    -On June 19, 2020, at 03:00 UTC, a temperature of 33.2°C or 91.8°F was recorded in Siberia near the Arctic Ocean.
    -As ocean temperatures rise, an increasing amount of heat moves into the Arctic Ocean, resulting in record low Arctic sea ice volume, as illustrated by the image on the right and discussed in an earlier post... this in turn threatens to destabilize methane hydrates contained in sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
    -Furthermore, the Siberian heatwave is also threatening to trigger forest fires that can cause huge amounts of emisions, including black carbon that can settle on the snow and ice cover, further speeding up its demise and causing albedo changes that result in a lot more heat getting absorbed in the Arctic, instead of getting reflected back into space as was previously the case.
    -Finally, more intense forest fires threaten to cause organic carbon compounds to enter the stratosphere and damage the ozone layer.






    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    I came across this article today that is a reminder (not that all of us need to be reminded) of what will prove to be the most pressing issue of our time: Global Warming.  

    Some key points here:
    -On June 19, 2020, at 03:00 UTC, a temperature of 33.2°C or 91.8°F was recorded in Siberia near the Arctic Ocean.
    -As ocean temperatures rise, an increasing amount of heat moves into the Arctic Ocean, resulting in record low Arctic sea ice volume, as illustrated by the image on the right and discussed in an earlier post... this in turn threatens to destabilize methane hydrates contained in sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
    -Furthermore, the Siberian heatwave is also threatening to trigger forest fires that can cause huge amounts of emisions, including black carbon that can settle on the snow and ice cover, further speeding up its demise and causing albedo changes that result in a lot more heat getting absorbed in the Arctic, instead of getting reflected back into space as was previously the case.
    -Finally, more intense forest fires threaten to cause organic carbon compounds to enter the stratosphere and damage the ozone layer.







    So moving to Siberia to escape the humid weather is now off the table...

    if this Covid lockdown/semi lockdown goes on for another year I’d like to see how much the environment improves...its people...too many fucking people on this planet...

    I think having kids is complete selfishness ... 

    and our fucking limp - dick government gives people with kids far too much money every month.  You do not care about the environment if you are encouraging more people on this planet...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    I came across this article today that is a reminder (not that all of us need to be reminded) of what will prove to be the most pressing issue of our time: Global Warming.  

    Some key points here:
    -On June 19, 2020, at 03:00 UTC, a temperature of 33.2°C or 91.8°F was recorded in Siberia near the Arctic Ocean.
    -As ocean temperatures rise, an increasing amount of heat moves into the Arctic Ocean, resulting in record low Arctic sea ice volume, as illustrated by the image on the right and discussed in an earlier post... this in turn threatens to destabilize methane hydrates contained in sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
    -Furthermore, the Siberian heatwave is also threatening to trigger forest fires that can cause huge amounts of emisions, including black carbon that can settle on the snow and ice cover, further speeding up its demise and causing albedo changes that result in a lot more heat getting absorbed in the Arctic, instead of getting reflected back into space as was previously the case.
    -Finally, more intense forest fires threaten to cause organic carbon compounds to enter the stratosphere and damage the ozone layer.







    So moving to Siberia to escape the humid weather is now off the table...

    if this Covid lockdown/semi lockdown goes on for another year I’d like to see how much the environment improves...its people...too many fucking people on this planet...

    I think having kids is complete selfishness ... 

    and our fucking limp - dick government gives people with kids far too much money every month.  You do not care about the environment if you are encouraging more people on this planet...

    When COVID-19 first broke out, the planet was getting a lot of relief.  But now?  I really  don't know.  I haven't seen anything more in the last  6 or 7 weeks about how much the lock-down is or isn't helping the environment.  I don't get out much, but from what I have seen and heard, it seems to me we are probably polluting more than not.

    And yeah, I agree about having kids.  I would never put down people who already have kids.  They are here, they are blameless.  But for people considering having a kid or more kids now?  I would say that is a very, very bad idea.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Another denier debunked:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    A very sad story- further evidence of global warming impact.

    Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

    Wildfires and climate crisis cited as possible causes for the deaths of thousands of migrating species heading south for the winter


    And this article explains the relevance of birds as indicators:

    https://birdfriendlyiowa.org/Pages/BirdFriendlyIowa.aspx?pg=6




    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited September 2020
    brianlux said:
    A very sad story- further evidence of global warming impact.

    Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

    Wildfires and climate crisis cited as possible causes for the deaths of thousands of migrating species heading south for the winter


    And this article explains the relevance of birds as indicators:

    https://birdfriendlyiowa.org/Pages/BirdFriendlyIowa.aspx?pg=6




    I was just reading about this yesterday. Article suggesting the birds migrating too early without enough fat deposits to sustain them during the journey. I don’t know why I read this stuff, just makes me sad.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    A very sad story- further evidence of global warming impact.

    Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

    Wildfires and climate crisis cited as possible causes for the deaths of thousands of migrating species heading south for the winter


    And this article explains the relevance of birds as indicators:

    https://birdfriendlyiowa.org/Pages/BirdFriendlyIowa.aspx?pg=6




    I was just reading about this yesterday. Article suggesting the birds migrating too early without enough fat deposits to sustain them during the journey. I don’t know why I read this stuff, just makes me sad.
    Oh man, I so know what you mean.  Problem is, I'm curious, like to keep up on the news, am especially concerned about environmental news- but then I go and read it and get to feeling really down.  This one was particularly a bummer.  I really is sad.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    A very sad story- further evidence of global warming impact.

    Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

    Wildfires and climate crisis cited as possible causes for the deaths of thousands of migrating species heading south for the winter


    And this article explains the relevance of birds as indicators:

    https://birdfriendlyiowa.org/Pages/BirdFriendlyIowa.aspx?pg=6




    I was just reading about this yesterday. Article suggesting the birds migrating too early without enough fat deposits to sustain them during the journey. I don’t know why I read this stuff, just makes me sad.
    Oh man, I so know what you mean.  Problem is, I'm curious, like to keep up on the news, am especially concerned about environmental news- but then I go and read it and get to feeling really down.  This one was particularly a bummer.  I really is sad.

    For sure, one thing I’ve been thinking about lately is just how small this world is and how what we do in our own lives easily can affect someone on the other side of the globe. 

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    brianlux said:
    A very sad story- further evidence of global warming impact.

    Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US

    Wildfires and climate crisis cited as possible causes for the deaths of thousands of migrating species heading south for the winter


    And this article explains the relevance of birds as indicators:

    https://birdfriendlyiowa.org/Pages/BirdFriendlyIowa.aspx?pg=6




    I was just reading about this yesterday. Article suggesting the birds migrating too early without enough fat deposits to sustain them during the journey. I don’t know why I read this stuff, just makes me sad.
    Oh man, I so know what you mean.  Problem is, I'm curious, like to keep up on the news, am especially concerned about environmental news- but then I go and read it and get to feeling really down.  This one was particularly a bummer.  I really is sad.

    For sure, one thing I’ve been thinking about lately is just how small this world is and how what we do in our own lives easily can affect someone on the other side of the globe. 

    That is so true.  And good to remember.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,914
    edited September 2020
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    I came across this article today that is a reminder (not that all of us need to be reminded) of what will prove to be the most pressing issue of our time: Global Warming.  

    Some key points here:
    -On June 19, 2020, at 03:00 UTC, a temperature of 33.2°C or 91.8°F was recorded in Siberia near the Arctic Ocean.
    -As ocean temperatures rise, an increasing amount of heat moves into the Arctic Ocean, resulting in record low Arctic sea ice volume, as illustrated by the image on the right and discussed in an earlier post... this in turn threatens to destabilize methane hydrates contained in sediments at the seafloor of the Arctic Ocean.
    -Furthermore, the Siberian heatwave is also threatening to trigger forest fires that can cause huge amounts of emisions, including black carbon that can settle on the snow and ice cover, further speeding up its demise and causing albedo changes that result in a lot more heat getting absorbed in the Arctic, instead of getting reflected back into space as was previously the case.
    -Finally, more intense forest fires threaten to cause organic carbon compounds to enter the stratosphere and damage the ozone layer.







    So moving to Siberia to escape the humid weather is now off the table...

    if this Covid lockdown/semi lockdown goes on for another year I’d like to see how much the environment improves...its people...too many fucking people on this planet...

    I think having kids is complete selfishness ... 

    and our fucking limp - dick government gives people with kids far too much money every month.  You do not care about the environment if you are encouraging more people on this planet...

    When COVID-19 first broke out, the planet was getting a lot of relief.  But now?  I really  don't know.  I haven't seen anything more in the last  6 or 7 weeks about how much the lock-down is or isn't helping the environment.  I don't get out much, but from what I have seen and heard, it seems to me we are probably polluting more than not.

    And yeah, I agree about having kids.  I would never put down people who already have kids.  They are here, they are blameless.  But for people considering having a kid or more kids now?  I would say that is a very, very bad idea.
    Even at the height of the pandemic I think I read we only reduced global emissions by 20%.   I would of thought if the majority of the population stopped going anywhere, and stopped buying stuff, that it would reduce lower than that.  It actually made me concerned that in the biggest reduction of global movement we've ever seen that it was only 20% lower. 

    With things slowly ramping up, and China back to almost full tilt I imagine that's almost gone.

    I felt bad with a conversation I had the other day.   My thoughts can get pretty dark.   I've caught myself a few times going.. I'm in my 40's... maybe I'm old enough that I only see some of the bad, but I die of old age before it gets really really really bad.  Of course my friend has young kids, so his thought process is very much of, we need to solve this, we can solve this, we have no choice.  We argued that we need to make the environment the #1 priority.   I was trying to counter argue that people have multiple goals.   When people talk like the environment is #1, you get stuck in a trap.   Many people are short sighted.  They look at the short term.  Feeding/Clothing their kids, keeping a roof over their heads, paying the bills, etc...   They don't look at where they'll be 20, 30, or 50 years from now.   I tend to think the level of change needed to make significant environmental change, would be astronomical.   I don't even think we can do it with Capitalism.  A shift in the fundamental system society is built on is going to cause turmoil.   People want to keep what they have.   My argument was you basically need a new catchprase or theme.   like the Economic Environmental Initiative or something.  Where you figure out how to combat both at the same time.    They're both important, if you ignore the latter, you're not going to get the buy in you need to make it happen.   He really didn't like what I had to say.   I really felt like I try to come at arguments from different sides.   Sometimes I'll just pick another side to be devils advocate, even if I don't believe in what I'm saying.   Just to flesh out an argument.    I found it a struggle, that he's like we need to do this thing, but doesn't really see that other people don't think a long the same lines.    You need to get buy in globally from a species who often doesn't agree on things.  Of course in the same day I mentioned I didn't like the new ghostbusters movie, and he said it was awesome and I was misogynistic.   At least my other friend came to my defence that I'm picky and there's plenty of movies I don't like :)

    Maybe my ability to come at arguments from different sides is all in my head.  Or maybe my challenge is articulating it.


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