White Privilege
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CM189191 said:hedonist said:Is it privilege or racism? Maybe it's not an either/or question?
Being white, should I personally feel guilty about others' perceptions of me? Why or why not?
As a woman, should I not? As a Jew, should I not? Etc.....
Is it the so-called birthright itself or those who afford others (even themselves) that?
The mindset behind it, the rationale one might use.
I'm honestly trying to think of times when my race trumped my character. Perhaps someone else made that assumption of (non)entitlement?
Got all these questions...too many, sometimes.
(As to education and inheritance - on my own there. The latter would've been nice, but life happens.)
White privilege is a product of structural racism. That doesn't mean that people who benefit from white privilege are necessarily racist. But those who refuse to admit it exists it or take advantage of it are complicit in supporting structural racism, maintaining the status quo.
At least you have these questions. You are having this internal dialogue with yourself. That in and of itself is at least an acknowledgment that white privilege does exist.Hedo's questions are well taken and worthy, and your comments, CM, make good sense.I'm curious as to what prompted you to start this thread and what you hope to achieve through it. And, if you don't mind answering, I'm curious as to your personal take on white privilege and from what cultural perspective does your thinking come (i.e., are you white?).My own feeling is that I recognize the privileges afforded me as a white male. No doubt about it.I also recognize that as a while male, I have been on the receiving end of bias and prejudice. I believe being attacked in an attempted "knock out game" by a young black man who was with a small group of other young black men was a racially motivate hate crime (I was lucky- that attack did not knock me out or kill me, but the pain was intense and following the attack, I had to lay down tread and drive like Mario Andretti to get myself, my wife, and my step daughter out of harms way.) (See Minor Threat song and article above.) In the past, I've also received bullying for being a nerd, a pacifist, and even, to a small degree a few times, for being half Amish.The consequences of bias and hate can come and go in many directions. (See Minor Threat song and article above.)
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I absolutely acknowledge the existence of white privilege, and my own benefit from it, but I question my taking advantage of it as stated by CM189191. I even wonder if I should show gratitude or be grateful for my winning of the so called lottery. The pendulum shall swing and maybe next time the privilege will be saved for others unlike myself.Threads like this creep me out. I post as if I need to tell the world I’m a good socially aware being. But if I question I probably come off as a troll.It’s definitely a concept that to me is obvious but to some is ridiculous or absurd.The goal imho is to educate people without making them feel like you are attacking them or blaming them for the past. Maybe not writing them off as deplorable morons or inherently bad people. Cultural change is no small feat.0
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Apparently you don't just CDragons, you C common sense tooICDragons said:I absolutely acknowledge the existence of white privilege, and my own benefit from it, but I question my taking advantage of it as stated by CM189191. I even wonder if I should show gratitude or be grateful for my winning of the so called lottery. The pendulum shall swing and maybe next time the privilege will be saved for others unlike myself.Threads like this creep me out. I post as if I need to tell the world I’m a good socially aware being. But if I question I probably come off as a troll.It’s definitely a concept that to me is obvious but to some is ridiculous or absurd.The goal imho is to educate people without making them feel like you are attacking them or blaming them for the past. Maybe not writing them off as deplorable morons or inherently bad people. Cultural change is no small feat.
Well said, especially the last part.0 -
ICDragons said:I absolutely acknowledge the existence of white privilege, and my own benefit from it, but I question my taking advantage of it as stated by CM189191. I even wonder if I should show gratitude or be grateful for my winning of the so called lottery. The pendulum shall swing and maybe next time the privilege will be saved for others unlike myself.Threads like this creep me out. I post as if I need to tell the world I’m a good socially aware being. But if I question I probably come off as a troll.It’s definitely a concept that to me is obvious but to some is ridiculous or absurd.The goal imho is to educate people without making them feel like you are attacking them or blaming them for the past. Maybe not writing them off as deplorable morons or inherently bad people. Cultural change is no small feat.
I'll second Hedonist's comments. What you say makes good sense, ICD. And no, you do not come off as a troll, not at all.
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I find it’s a lot easier to see examples in my past. Which I admit is convenient for me when questioning my roll in taking advantage of the privilege.The task at hand is to see examples in the present. Acknowledge, and try to bear witness for those who will listen.0
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protecting white privilege is the American way0
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It’s definitely been that way in the past and definitely that way for some but if one is American then their way IS the American way too and I believe we don’t have to subscribe to that detrimental narrative anymore. The New American Way!!Sorry for the ranting.0
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ICDragons said:It’s definitely been that way in the past and definitely that way for some but if one is American then their way IS the American way too and I believe we don’t have to subscribe to that detrimental narrative anymore. The New American Way!!Sorry for the ranting.
Yeah, I don't think there is AN American Way. There are many ways. The way of social justice, of fairness, of a cooperative and inclusive spirit, and a recognition of past failures (genocide of Native peoples, slavery, racism), and the desire to move forward is an American Way that is gaining favor with many today.
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white privilege is never having to say you are sorry."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/hundreds-of-orthodox-jews-defy-social-distancing-for-holiday/Is this white privilege? Or something different?0
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There are a few difficulties with discussing white privilege or privilege in general on the internet or almost anywhere:
- It's far too nuanced for most discussions. We all are unique and have lower/higher levels of privilege based on race, ability, sexual-orientation, sex, gender, religion...and even things like height, looks, athletic ability, geography of origin,etc. So there's always the opportunity to say something like "how about Michael Jordan's kids? They grew up millionaires. Am I really more privileged than they are?" It becomes all-or-none when in reality there are about a million shades in between.
- People believe, in fact they fight tooth-and-nail to believe, that they got to where they are through their intelligence and hard work. Telling a lot of people they had or have any privilege ends leads to an almost defensive reaction and digging their heels in more. I'd love to have a dollar for every time I read the phrase "I busted my ass..." Then I'd truly be able to live a great lifestyle while not working hard at all!
Of course there's white privilege. Using the example of Michael Jordan's kids...yeah, for example, they can go get all the schooling they want and come out debt-free. They do have some privilege in their economic background. But all the money in the world can't hide that I'm much safer driving my 2003 Camry around their mansion-dominated neighborhood than they are driving their Ferrari. Or the way the clothing store clerks ignore me and eyeball them. This is me, in all my middle-class mediocrity having privilege. Privilege that all the money in the world cannot by.Me, I'm white. Male. Only child from upper-middle-class family. I'm dripping in privilege. Sure some people have some privilege I don't, but the world is generally made for me. I don't feel particularly guilty about it...but I do acknowledge my fortune. People in my life tend to be similarly privileged (minus sex/gender in about half the cases). But we're all different...all unique; snowflakes, if you will. Some come from less or more money. All of the males are taller :( and more athletic :(. There's tons of nuance. For example, one of my friends from my youth is Korean, adopted as a baby into a white middle-class family. Generally in the same boat as the rest of us. But when he opened up about the way his life in his white world impacted him, it was eye-opening...for some of us (some didn't want to hear it and shut down). He has some privilege, but maybe not as much as I do...the "white" part of the privilege is out for him...and that can be an important one.
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No, I think it’s just willful ignorance.nicknyr15 said:https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/hundreds-of-orthodox-jews-defy-social-distancing-for-holiday/Is this white privilege? Or something different?0 -
It’s maddeninghedonist said:
No, I think it’s just willful ignorance.nicknyr15 said:https://nypost.com/2020/05/12/hundreds-of-orthodox-jews-defy-social-distancing-for-holiday/Is this white privilege? Or something different?0 -
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One had money for a lawyer and one did not. Isn't that a result of class structure rather than white privilege?JimmyV said:
That's like saying because I live in a house and someone lives in the projects it's white privilege.0 -
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One had money for a lawyer and one did not. Isn't that a result of class structure rather than white privilege?JimmyV said:
That's like saying because I live in a house and someone lives in the projects it's white privilege.
The Manafort part, maybe so. The Browder part? I'd rather be a white kid wrongfully accused of a petty crime than a black kid accused of a petty crime.
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one is the cause of the other, don't you think?tempo_n_groove said:
One had money for a lawyer and one did not. Isn't that a result of class structure rather than white privilege?JimmyV said:
That's like saying because I live in a house and someone lives in the projects it's white privilege.
and the fact you live in a house is most likely to privelege, whether it's your own directly or the opportunities you were afforded as a result of the generations before you.
white people born in the suburbs generally don't end up in the projects. but if you're born in the projects, you likely aren't getting out, but if you're white, you have a much better chance.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I grew up too poor to be in the projects. We lived in a slum, lol.HughFreakingDillon said:
one is the cause of the other, don't you think?tempo_n_groove said:
One had money for a lawyer and one did not. Isn't that a result of class structure rather than white privilege?JimmyV said:
That's like saying because I live in a house and someone lives in the projects it's white privilege.
and the fact you live in a house is most likely to privelege, whether it's your own directly or the opportunities you were afforded as a result of the generations before you.
white people born in the suburbs generally don't end up in the projects. but if you're born in the projects, you likely aren't getting out, but if you're white, you have a much better chance.
Privilege and white privilege are two separate things in my eyes.0 -
Thanks for that last part. Sometimes it gets skewed.tempo_n_groove said:
I grew up too poor to be in the projects. We lived in a slum, lol.HughFreakingDillon said:
one is the cause of the other, don't you think?tempo_n_groove said:
One had money for a lawyer and one did not. Isn't that a result of class structure rather than white privilege?JimmyV said:
That's like saying because I live in a house and someone lives in the projects it's white privilege.
and the fact you live in a house is most likely to privelege, whether it's your own directly or the opportunities you were afforded as a result of the generations before you.
white people born in the suburbs generally don't end up in the projects. but if you're born in the projects, you likely aren't getting out, but if you're white, you have a much better chance.
Privilege and white privilege are two separate things in my eyes.0
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