mrussel1 said:

So how does the president possibly make the 'cleansing' and 'disinfectant' comment even worse?  Well he did it, by claiming he was being sarcastic.  So Mr. POTUS, you thought the right strategy to communicate with the country during a pandemic was to use sarcasm?  Really?

"I was asking in a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside," the president continued. "But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters."

CM189191 said:

Holy shit, I just want to point out I posted this back in March: 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/7148311#Comment_7148311

Lerxst1992 said:

Hi! said:

That second pic looks like Lifeson soloing in la Villa.

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden. 

Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.

Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter.  My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal.  Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.

That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?

The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?

This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it.  I pretty much agree with you.  Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers.  I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate.  In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses.  This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake.  You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.

If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.

Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?

PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.

Vedd Hedd said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden. 

Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.

Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter.  My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal.  Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.

That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?

The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?

This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it.  I pretty much agree with you.  Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers.  I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate.  In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses.  This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake.  You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.

If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.

Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?

PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.

I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one.  I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election.  Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.

I see where you are going, but I think I disagree with this.  I dont think Trump has gained any new voters.  I think he has maintained his core, and because of the Republicans controlling the Senate (and until recently, the house) his messaging has been controlled.  

I think many independents, and many "Well, I dont like Trump but let's give it a shot" type people are now regretting their decision. 

In short...most people see through his spin and bullshit.  Hell, even his core sees through his bullshit, they just love it, becuase it "owns the libs".   

For the first time, I think smarter decisions will be made this November.  I think a lot of independents, undecideds and moderate republicans will vote him out.   They may vote a full Repub ticket the rest of the way, but vote him out. 

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden. 

Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.

Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter.  My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal.  Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.

That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?

The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?

This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it.  I pretty much agree with you.  Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers.  I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate.  In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses.  This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake.  You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.

If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.

Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?

PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.

I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one.  I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election.  Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.

Here’s How Many Sanders-Trump Voters There Were In Key Swing States

Political scientist Brian Schaffner recently tweeted out rough numbers on the share of Bernie Sanders primary voters who eventually went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election, based on the massive CCES poll. Using those numbers and other available data, here is our back-of-the-envelope math on how many Sanders-Trump voters there were in those states — potentially enough to have handed Hillary Clinton those states (and the presidency).

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden. 

Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.

Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter.  My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal.  Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.

That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?

The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?

This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it.  I pretty much agree with you.  Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers.  I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate.  In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses.  This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake.  You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.

If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.

Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?

PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.

I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one.  I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election.  Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.

But this is what is partly the dems' problem, they don't get down in the mud and "weaponize" shit that clearly should be weaponized. This idea that dems have to take the high road or field squeaky clean candidates or worry about perceptions when they fight back, is why they lose on the national stage. Politics is a dirty, nasty fucking business and if you're not willing to fight back at the level that your opponent fights at, your ceding the fight. And some things are worth fighting for. Team Trump Treason wins because nobody has fought him at his disgusting level. Hunter Biden shouldn't mean shit if you can "spin" it.

I believe a factor in Obama's 2008 election was that the McCain camp was wholly prepared to take on Hillary and her baggage and Obama had nothing they could hammer the negatives with. He was squeaky clean, unless you (general you) thought his relationship with Reverend Wright got your panties in a bunch. Or you believed he was a Muslim. Or born in Kenya. Mitt Romney was too nice of a candidate.

And don't forget, part of the reason why Team Trump Treason is POTUS is because 12% of those "dem" primary Bernie supporters voted Team Trump Treason and I'd argue that's a bigger factor than the "average schmo on the street," being spun.

Here’s How Many Sanders-Trump Voters There Were In Key Swing States

Political scientist Brian Schaffner recently tweeted out rough numbers on the share of Bernie Sanders primary voters who eventually went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election, based on the massive CCES poll. Using those numbers and other available data, here is our back-of-the-envelope math on how many Sanders-Trump voters there were in those states — potentially enough to have handed Hillary Clinton those states (and the presidency).

State	Sanders primary voters	Sanders primary voters supporting Trump	Sanders-Trump voters (est.)	Trump's 2016 margin of victory
Michigan	598,943	8%	47,915	10,704
Pennsylvania	731,881	16%	117,100	44,292
Wisconsin	570,192	9%	51,317	22,748

Source: 2016 National Popular Vote Tracker, U.S. Election Atlas, Brian Schaffner

Credit: Danielle Kurtzleben/NPR

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds