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gimmesometruth27 said:
no thanks. i already know what he is going to say.static111 said:
Yeah I don't agree with anything, just making the point that he lays out his message in a very thoughtful and concentrated way. That thoughtful messaging can do a lot to sway the opinions of people who don't follow politics and fact check every statement 24/7.ikiT said:Dan's a hard pass for me too.
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But he's got a cool eye patch.ikiT said:Dan's a hard pass for me too.Scio me nihil scire
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No, I'm saying if 80K of those faux dem Bernie supporters voted for the dem party nominee, we wouldn't be talking about Team Trump Treason or Hunter Biden.static111 said:
so you are saying if the Dems ran Bernie and those 12% would have voted Dem we wouldn't have Trump? too bad we don't have a time machine. Again I agree with you on the point that Dems need to get away from the high road if we want to beat Trump.Halifax2TheMax said:
But this is what is partly the dems' problem, they don't get down in the mud and "weaponize" shit that clearly should be weaponized. This idea that dems have to take the high road or field squeaky clean candidates or worry about perceptions when they fight back, is why they lose on the national stage. Politics is a dirty, nasty fucking business and if you're not willing to fight back at the level that your opponent fights at, your ceding the fight. And some things are worth fighting for. Team Trump Treason wins because nobody has fought him at his disgusting level. Hunter Biden shouldn't mean shit if you can "spin" it.static111 said:
I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one. I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election. Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.Halifax2TheMax said:
If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.static111 said:
This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it. I pretty much agree with you. Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers. I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate. In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses. This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake. You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.Halifax2TheMax said:
That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?static111 said:
Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter. My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal. Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.Halifax2TheMax said:I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden.
Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.
The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?
Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?
PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.
I believe a factor in Obama's 2008 election was that the McCain camp was wholly prepared to take on Hillary and her baggage and Obama had nothing they could hammer the negatives with. He was squeaky clean, unless you (general you) thought his relationship with Reverend Wright got your panties in a bunch. Or you believed he was a Muslim. Or born in Kenya. Mitt Romney was too nice of a candidate.
And don't forget, part of the reason why Team Trump Treason is POTUS is because 12% of those "dem" primary Bernie supporters voted Team Trump Treason and I'd argue that's a bigger factor than the "average schmo on the street," being spun.Here’s How Many Sanders-Trump Voters There Were In Key Swing States
Political scientist Brian Schaffner recently tweeted out rough numbers on the share of Bernie Sanders primary voters who eventually went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election, based on the massive CCES poll. Using those numbers and other available data, here is our back-of-the-envelope math on how many Sanders-Trump voters there were in those states — potentially enough to have handed Hillary Clinton those states (and the presidency).
StateSanders primary votersSanders primary voters supporting TrumpSanders-Trump voters (est.)Trump's 2016 margin of victoryMichigan 598,943 8% 47,915 10,704 Pennsylvania 731,881 16% 117,100 44,292 Wisconsin 570,192 9% 51,317 22,748 https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-findsSource: 2016 National Popular Vote Tracker, U.S. Election Atlas, Brian Schaffner
Credit: Danielle Kurtzleben/NPR
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Same old cycle. Trump says something so inaccurate and stupid, on video, then just flat out lies and says it was sarcasm. The saddest part is nothing will be done about it. Nothing. Nobody stands up to this washed up reality tv star, lying ass piece of orange shit.0
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The data proves both of our perspectives.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, I'm saying if 80K of those faux dem Bernie supporters voted for the dem party nominee, we wouldn't be talking about Team Trump Treason or Hunter Biden.static111 said:
so you are saying if the Dems ran Bernie and those 12% would have voted Dem we wouldn't have Trump? too bad we don't have a time machine. Again I agree with you on the point that Dems need to get away from the high road if we want to beat Trump.Halifax2TheMax said:
But this is what is partly the dems' problem, they don't get down in the mud and "weaponize" shit that clearly should be weaponized. This idea that dems have to take the high road or field squeaky clean candidates or worry about perceptions when they fight back, is why they lose on the national stage. Politics is a dirty, nasty fucking business and if you're not willing to fight back at the level that your opponent fights at, your ceding the fight. And some things are worth fighting for. Team Trump Treason wins because nobody has fought him at his disgusting level. Hunter Biden shouldn't mean shit if you can "spin" it.static111 said:
I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one. I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election. Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.Halifax2TheMax said:
If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.static111 said:
This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it. I pretty much agree with you. Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers. I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate. In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses. This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake. You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.Halifax2TheMax said:
That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?static111 said:
Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter. My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal. Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.Halifax2TheMax said:I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden.
Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.
The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?
Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?
PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.
I believe a factor in Obama's 2008 election was that the McCain camp was wholly prepared to take on Hillary and her baggage and Obama had nothing they could hammer the negatives with. He was squeaky clean, unless you (general you) thought his relationship with Reverend Wright got your panties in a bunch. Or you believed he was a Muslim. Or born in Kenya. Mitt Romney was too nice of a candidate.
And don't forget, part of the reason why Team Trump Treason is POTUS is because 12% of those "dem" primary Bernie supporters voted Team Trump Treason and I'd argue that's a bigger factor than the "average schmo on the street," being spun.Here’s How Many Sanders-Trump Voters There Were In Key Swing States
Political scientist Brian Schaffner recently tweeted out rough numbers on the share of Bernie Sanders primary voters who eventually went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election, based on the massive CCES poll. Using those numbers and other available data, here is our back-of-the-envelope math on how many Sanders-Trump voters there were in those states — potentially enough to have handed Hillary Clinton those states (and the presidency).
StateSanders primary votersSanders primary voters supporting TrumpSanders-Trump voters (est.)Trump's 2016 margin of victoryMichigan 598,943 8% 47,915 10,704 Pennsylvania 731,881 16% 117,100 44,292 Wisconsin 570,192 9% 51,317 22,748 https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-findsSource: 2016 National Popular Vote Tracker, U.S. Election Atlas, Brian Schaffner
Credit: Danielle Kurtzleben/NPR
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Well the dose does seemVedd Hedd said:
legit 6 to 10 drops with water lol 😂 I’m surprised the Baffoon doesn’t have one of his lackey’s be a test dummy live on TV can you imagine the ratings !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
yeah, i mean....wtf. Let the testing begin!josevolution said:
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legit 6 to 10 drops with water lol 😂 I’m surprised the Baffoon doesn’t have one of his lackey’s be a test dummy live on TV can you imagine the ratings !Turn this anger into
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Fun Trump briefing today. No Fauci, no Birx, and Trump's entourage walked out as soon as the statements were over without taking any questions. He knew exactly what he was going to be asked today, and had no credible answer. What a shit show."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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he really didn't take any questions?
what a strong leader....
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A very stable genius playing 4D chess.gimmesometruth27 said:he really didn't take any questions?
what a strong leader....
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man, that dude is playing go fish in the litterbox, that he thinks is the sandbox.Halifax2TheMax said:
A very stable genius playing 4D chess.gimmesometruth27 said:he really didn't take any questions?
what a strong leader....
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With a deck of jokers and thinking he’s winning. Speaking of which, anyone sick of winning yet?gimmesometruth27 said:
man, that dude is playing go fish in the litterbox, that he thinks is the sandbox.Halifax2TheMax said:
A very stable genius playing 4D chess.gimmesometruth27 said:he really didn't take any questions?
what a strong leader....
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Holy crap, you are absolutely right and on THE favorite RUSH song of mine.Lerxst1992 said:Hi! said:
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Holy crap, you are absolutely right and on THE favorite RUSH song of mine.Lerxst1992 said:Hi! said:That second pic looks like Lifeson soloing in la Villa.
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Any chance that $200 million plus loan had anything to do with this decision? “We’d like you to do us a favor, though.”
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static111 said:
The data proves both of our perspectives.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, I'm saying if 80K of those faux dem Bernie supporters voted for the dem party nominee, we wouldn't be talking about Team Trump Treason or Hunter Biden.static111 said:
so you are saying if the Dems ran Bernie and those 12% would have voted Dem we wouldn't have Trump? too bad we don't have a time machine. Again I agree with you on the point that Dems need to get away from the high road if we want to beat Trump.Halifax2TheMax said:
But this is what is partly the dems' problem, they don't get down in the mud and "weaponize" shit that clearly should be weaponized. This idea that dems have to take the high road or field squeaky clean candidates or worry about perceptions when they fight back, is why they lose on the national stage. Politics is a dirty, nasty fucking business and if you're not willing to fight back at the level that your opponent fights at, your ceding the fight. And some things are worth fighting for. Team Trump Treason wins because nobody has fought him at his disgusting level. Hunter Biden shouldn't mean shit if you can "spin" it.static111 said:
I did not deflect I stated that Trumps deal was worse. I just went back and underlined and bolded it for you. I also said that I agree with you. Nowhere did I say there is a pure candidate.nor do I think there is one. I also do not believe that the candidate that has done the most good is necessarily the candidate that will win. My point is still that it’s not about who is worse or better it is about who can spin it best. After several years it is very clear that Trump has the edge on spinning the worst news in his favor and coming out on top as far as the view of the average schmo on the street that will be deciding the election. Another point we agree on is that if Trump gets another term the country gets what it deserves.Halifax2TheMax said:
If the average voter and the uneducated ones at that, vote Team Trump Treason over Sleepy Woke Joe, after the complete and total shit show we've witnessed for the past three years, because of Hunter Biden's so far legal business dealings with China, then this country has way more problems and deserves everything that another four years of Team Trump Treason will bring.static111 said:
This has nothing to do with what you or I think is better or worse and everything to do with how Trump could weaponize it. I pretty much agree with you. Whether we have moral high ground or not means absolutely nothing anymore. It is going to come down to who can get the best news bites, memes and zingers. I’m not even trusting trump will join a debate. In this thread we are in a bubble of like minded people for the most part. Of course we all agree that the current administration is a disaster, as well that Trumps deal is far worse than the deal that Hunter is involved with. Allowing our belief in what is right can seriously cloud our judgement as to Trumps actual chances to win a reelection and pick apart our candidates weaknesses. This is the country that re-elected W after he started a groundless occupation in Iraq for gods sake. You think the public at large is going to cling to the fact that Bidens sons stake is only 400k? 400k is more than the average voter makes in two to 4 years. I don’t believe that the odds are clearly in favor of Trump being a one term president, and believe that it is completely ok to look at my sides candidates weaknesses when it comes to influencing the voters that will decide the upcoming election.Halifax2TheMax said:
That's the real problem, not Hunter Biden's thus far legal business dealings. I would love for Team Trump Treason to bring it up in a debate with Sleepy Woke Joe. You think the Biden camp isn't ready for a response? All that praise of China and Xi and the false narrative of tariffs? Not to mention a quarter of a billion dollar loan?static111 said:
Obviously you have very strong opinions on the matter. My point was and still is that the article also brings to light that the dem nominees son is also involved in a 1.5b$ deal. Point being that that is exactly the kind of thing that the RNC can use against Joe. But I guess it is better to throw your hands up in the air and grandstand the moral high ground than to question how this could be damaging to the Democratic candidate. Because to the uneducated voter at large it is absolutely a blunt force weapon in the hands of your very own triple T.Halifax2TheMax said:I can't control what people think. But I'm sure there are some still waiting for indictments for emails, Uranium1, CF or complain when ex/politicos write books and give speeches earning money. Team Trump Treason was impeached for shaking down a foreign government and stated, "I don't recall," at least 7 times to written questions from Team Mueller (can't indict a sitting president, did you forget?). Moscow Mitchy Baby's wife has her own suspect relationships (look up Elaine Cho and her conflicts of interest) and Kentucky welcomed a massive Russian owned smelter to locate there, in addition to the NRA spending more than 10 times its usual amount in the 2016 election cycle. So yea, hyperbole, and lets worry about Hunter Biden.
Until a strong enough case is made to arrest Hunter Biden and charge him with a crime, making the comparison to Team Trump Treason and Moscow Mitchy Baby is hyperbole.
The article also states that Hunter's "stake" was $400K and he resigned from the position. I'll ask you, which is a better/worse deal and who is compromised?
Funny how you can ask me whether or who had the better/worse deal and yet when you're asked the same, or who is more "compromised," you deflected. I hate to break it to you but there are no pure as the driven snow candidates. None. Its all degrees of who has done less bad shit or more good shit, after policy considerations. Where does Team Trump Treason compare to Sleepy Woke Joe on that metric or continuum? Do you think there is nothing of Team Trump Treason's to weaponize at this point?
PS: Both of Bush's terms were stolen and I expect the same in 2020. All the stops will be pulled, inclusive of Russian interference. And the uneducated voter will fall for it.
I believe a factor in Obama's 2008 election was that the McCain camp was wholly prepared to take on Hillary and her baggage and Obama had nothing they could hammer the negatives with. He was squeaky clean, unless you (general you) thought his relationship with Reverend Wright got your panties in a bunch. Or you believed he was a Muslim. Or born in Kenya. Mitt Romney was too nice of a candidate.
And don't forget, part of the reason why Team Trump Treason is POTUS is because 12% of those "dem" primary Bernie supporters voted Team Trump Treason and I'd argue that's a bigger factor than the "average schmo on the street," being spun.Here’s How Many Sanders-Trump Voters There Were In Key Swing States
Political scientist Brian Schaffner recently tweeted out rough numbers on the share of Bernie Sanders primary voters who eventually went on to vote for Donald Trump in the general election, based on the massive CCES poll. Using those numbers and other available data, here is our back-of-the-envelope math on how many Sanders-Trump voters there were in those states — potentially enough to have handed Hillary Clinton those states (and the presidency).
StateSanders primary votersSanders primary voters supporting TrumpSanders-Trump voters (est.)Trump's 2016 margin of victoryMichigan 598,943 8% 47,915 10,704 Pennsylvania 731,881 16% 117,100 44,292 Wisconsin 570,192 9% 51,317 22,748 https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-findsSource: 2016 National Popular Vote Tracker, U.S. Election Atlas, Brian Schaffner
Credit: Danielle Kurtzleben/NPR
Where’s the data on how many Kasich Robio & Jeb supporters voted for Hilary?0 -
It seems CM wasn't the only one on this issue..
https://local.theonion.com/man-just-buying-one-of-every-cleaning-product-in-case-t-1842493766?utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=Twitter&utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF
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