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  • Edved82
    Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,279
    TN49724 said:
    Who Ever Said is just an odd song. All over the place.  After the hype that song was getting for being this crazy guitar heavy opener, what???   I'd take Unthought Known and Amongst The Waves any day of the week over it.  
    What strange tracks to pick out as openers. I'd take Who Ever Said over either of those any day of the week. Opinions!  =)
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  • vito
    vito Chicago Posts: 2,029
    Funny that Pitchfork doesn't even have it in their albums out today, let alone review it, their just ignoring it completely! I used to like Pitchfork but, honestly I can't stand them anymore and not just cause they don't like PJ. It's a worthless community of critiquing music!!
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  • iOnlyownMymind
    iOnlyownMymind Posts: 2,955
    edited March 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    vedpunk said:
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    LastExitBJP said:
    Honestly surprised that Who Ever Said and Retrograde made the album. . . Who Ever Said is too long and sounds like a b-side from Backspacer. Retrograde is like Yellow Moon part 2. Still too early to know how much I like the album, but Ed is rambling way too much without melody. I think the album would have been perfect if 80% of the songs had been shorter and had less vocals from ed (Comes then Goes would have been PERFECT if it just stayed ed and acoustic guitar, without the vocal layers). All in all over produced. And Buckle Up? Music is perfect, but the lyrics had me chuckling when he starts singing "buckle up."
    I pretty much agree with everything here.  Hopefully I will feel differently with more listens. 
    Who Ever Said is such a badass song with the catchiest chorus and melody on the album. 
    Agreed.  And the last two minutes of retrograde are unreal. 
    Your comment Mcgruff (though maybe you like the rest of the song) is what I think is part of the problem with the album for me personally.  There are a lot of really good things in most of the songs, but at some point fall short for one reason or another (for me, usually too wordy of lyrics, or too drawn out), and thus ruin the overall quality of the song. I don't want to be blown away by parts of a song, but the whole thing start to finish!  FOr me, 7 Oclock could be one of the best songs they've put out in a long time, but is just too wordy in places and a little long.  Just my opinion, but glad so many are loving the album.  I'll keep listening.  
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  • pawlowski1097
    pawlowski1097 Philadelphia, PA Posts: 607
    1-10 I give this album a 8.5 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    vedpunk said:
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    LastExitBJP said:
    Honestly surprised that Who Ever Said and Retrograde made the album. . . Who Ever Said is too long and sounds like a b-side from Backspacer. Retrograde is like Yellow Moon part 2. Still too early to know how much I like the album, but Ed is rambling way too much without melody. I think the album would have been perfect if 80% of the songs had been shorter and had less vocals from ed (Comes then Goes would have been PERFECT if it just stayed ed and acoustic guitar, without the vocal layers). All in all over produced. And Buckle Up? Music is perfect, but the lyrics had me chuckling when he starts singing "buckle up."
    I pretty much agree with everything here.  Hopefully I will feel differently with more listens. 
    Who Ever Said is such a badass song with the catchiest chorus and melody on the album. 
    Agreed.  And the last two minutes of retrograde are unreal. 
    Your comment Mcgruff (though maybe you like the rest of the song) is what I think is part of the problem with the album for me personally.  There are a lot of really good things in most of the songs, but at some point fall short for one reason or another (for me, usually too wordy of lyrics, or too drawn out), and thus ruin the overall quality of the song. I don't want to be blown away by parts of a song, but the whole thing start to finish!  Just my opinion, but glad so many are loving the album.  I'll keep listening.  
    I really like the album but agree with Ed getting too wordy at times. That would be my main complaint. I do like the lengths of the songs though.

    Oh and my other complaint is Take the Long Way---that is the only one I do not like. 
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,262
    CM189191 said:
    Matt's drumming is top notch
    Holy fuck. We agree on something!!!!!!! Haha. 
  • edocon
    edocon Posts: 336
    CM189191 said:
    Matt's drumming is top notch
    My thoughts exactly. Carries the album, imo.
  • LastExitBJP
    LastExitBJP Posts: 82
    edited July 7
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  • Edved82
    Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,279
    edited March 2020
    Into the second listen and there's an energy to the songs that didn't exist on Lightning Bolt. Josh Evans has done a fantastic job.
    Really impressed with the album. Only track that I'm not really digging so far is "Never Destination". 
    "...though my problems are meaningless....that don't make them go away...."
  • pawlowski1097
    pawlowski1097 Philadelphia, PA Posts: 607
    Edved82 said:
    Into the second listen and there's an energy to the songs that didn't exist on Lightning Bolt. Josh Evans has done a fantastic job.
    Really impressed with the album. Only track that I'm not really digging so far is "Never Destination". 
    Never  destinations ending is kick ass, so is the rest of the song 
  • LastExitBJP
    LastExitBJP Posts: 82
    The vocal melody to the verses of Quick Escape suddenly clicked. Holy shit what a good song. Probably my favorite Pearl Jam rocker since Ghost (criminally underrated song). 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    vedpunk said:
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    LastExitBJP said:
    Honestly surprised that Who Ever Said and Retrograde made the album. . . Who Ever Said is too long and sounds like a b-side from Backspacer. Retrograde is like Yellow Moon part 2. Still too early to know how much I like the album, but Ed is rambling way too much without melody. I think the album would have been perfect if 80% of the songs had been shorter and had less vocals from ed (Comes then Goes would have been PERFECT if it just stayed ed and acoustic guitar, without the vocal layers). All in all over produced. And Buckle Up? Music is perfect, but the lyrics had me chuckling when he starts singing "buckle up."
    I pretty much agree with everything here.  Hopefully I will feel differently with more listens. 
    Who Ever Said is such a badass song with the catchiest chorus and melody on the album. 
    Agreed.  And the last two minutes of retrograde are unreal. 
    Your comment Mcgruff (though maybe you like the rest of the song) is what I think is part of the problem with the album for me personally.  There are a lot of really good things in most of the songs, but at some point fall short for one reason or another (for me, usually too wordy of lyrics, or too drawn out), and thus ruin the overall quality of the song. I don't want to be blown away by parts of a song, but the whole thing start to finish!  FOr me, 7 Oclock could be one of the best songs they've put out in a long time, but is just too wordy in places and a little long.  Just my opinion, but glad so many are loving the album.  I'll keep listening.  
    I get what you are saying.  The first part of retrograde is ok but the last half is mind blowing imo.  I just can’t get into 7:00.  It just drags and goes nowhere. 
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  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    Buckle up, to me is like a 3-legged dog standing on the seat of a car going down a bumpy dirt road.  Love the rest of the album.  I keep thinking this is PJ's equivalent to Robert Plant's Fate of Nations.  Wonderful production.  
    Up here so high I start to shake, Up here so high the sky I scrape, I've no fear but for falling down, So look out below I am falling now, Falling down,...not staying down, Could’ve held me up, rather tear me down, Drown in the river
  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,339
    Does the chorus in 7 O'clock sound like the chorus in Ordinary World by Duran Duran to anyone else? I had a hard time concentrating on first listen because it has a very similar progression.
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    JW269453 said:
    Does the chorus in 7 O'clock sound like the chorus in Ordinary World by Duran Duran to anyone else? I had a hard time concentrating on first listen because it has a very similar progression.
    Yes. Definitely an Ordinary World meets Comfortably Numb vibe in the chorus.
  • TN49724
    TN49724 Posts: 105
    SVRDhand13 said:
    TN49724 said:
    Who Ever Said is just an odd song. All over the place.  After the hype that song was getting for being this crazy guitar heavy opener, what???   I'd take Unthought Known and Amongst The Waves any day of the week over it.  
    Both those songs would have been atrocious opening songs for any album 
    I wasn't suggesting them as openers, it was a reference to a previous post about Backspacer.  People seem not to like that record for whatever reason and I do like.  Who Ever Said is just a strange song.  But no, was not inferring them as openers to an album. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    nicknyr15 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Matt's drumming is top notch
    Holy fuck. We agree on something!!!!!!! Haha. 
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  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    It's a great album. Quick Escape is absolutely epic. I'm still super excited about DoTC and wish they would have explored more in that direction. Retrograde sounds like it could have been on the Into the Wild soundtrack! Superblood Wolfmoon seems like a recycled short puncher a la Can't Deny Me and Mind you Manners.

    Tier 1: QUICK ESCAPE, Who Ever Said, DoTC, River Cross, Seven O Clock
    Tier 2: Alright, Buckle Up, Comes then Goes, Retrograde
    Tier 3: Superblood Wolfmoon, Take the Long Way, Never Destination
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  • edocon
    edocon Posts: 336
    LastExitBJP said:
    vedpunk said:
    iOnlyownMymind said:
    LastExitBJP said:
    Honestly surprised that Who Ever Said and Retrograde made the album. . . Who Ever Said is too long and sounds like a b-side from Backspacer. Retrograde is like Yellow Moon part 2. Still too early to know how much I like the album, but Ed is rambling way too much without melody. I think the album would have been perfect if 80% of the songs had been shorter and had less vocals from ed (Comes then Goes would have been PERFECT if it just stayed ed and acoustic guitar, without the vocal layers). All in all over produced. And Buckle Up? Music is perfect, but the lyrics had me chuckling when he starts singing "buckle up."
    I pretty much agree with everything here.  Hopefully I will feel differently with more listens. 
    Who Ever Said is such a badass song with the catchiest chorus and melody on the album. 
    I agree that parts of the song are catchy, overall though it feels wicked . . . choppy? Like it was a rough draft that forgot to be finalized. 
    I agree with vedpunk - Who Ever Said is awesome. I like the unpredictable song structure with 2 choruses early and then finally returning to the chorus at the end. I think it's well laid out and fully planned.
  • edocon
    edocon Posts: 336
    Tier 1: Who Ever Said, DoTC, Quick Escape, Seven O' Clock, Alright
    Tier 2: SBWM, Retrograde, Never Destination, River Cross
    Tier 3: Take the Long Way, Comes Then Goes, Buckle Up

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